Plurk EN
We just launched a couple new features. 1.) Auto NSFW tag for users who want to filter out matured content. 2.) The ability to pin one of your all-time-favorite Plurk in front of your timeline (only coin users for now).
❝marti❞
Oooh
GW Wolf
ohhh?
Kangen Band
wow!(gyay)
Nunes
YaY
🫡Ржевский Фрейд
Satanas
okay
Pteryx
I have questions about that first feature. When you launched it a couple of days ago, it came with this warning that NSFW plurks have to have the flag or it's a ToS violation now, but last I heard this wasn't accessible through mobile.
Pteryx
Furthermore, given the life-or-death level of emphasis you put on its usage, you've buried it a little much even in Plurk's regular interface. Do you mean to address this feature's accessibility?
Pteryx
Second question: it's possible for a discussion in a plurk's replies to take on NSFW qualities later on, but unless one has plurk coins one can't add the NSFW flag to a plurk after the fact. Would that be a ToS violation too?
Pteryx
one expected to silence such discussion in replies?
Henrietta
Yes, the TOS violation stuff is...weird and concerning.
Henrietta
Also I know people who would prefer to be able to just set their page itself to the 18+ tag and wash their hands of the individual thing.
Pteryx
Third question: Your timing concerning the addition of this feature is troubling in light of recent controversy about how women are treated in the US, and the inherently NSFW nature of that controversy. Please tell me your intent here isn't to silence women...
Pteryx
Including a warning of potential ToS violations in that popup from a couple of days ago announcing the feature screams chilling effect, and all.
Pteryx
That's everything I have to ask, anyway.
Striving Spark
In regards to SOME of the concerns, Pteryx : iF you put NSFW in the plurk heading, it'll automatically tag it 18+
Striving Spark
I can't answer all of them, not working for the company, but that helps a lot.
Pteryx
Striving Spark : But does that work if you edit it into a plurk that already exists?
Striving Spark
Pteryx : No, you have to go into the plurk and adjust the settings manually if it's not there at the start....
Pteryx
Striving Spark : Mm, and last I knew privacy settings (which 18+ is lumped in with) were only editable if you have coins... If that's changed, that's one thing, but...?
Kimmi Skye
Pteryx : I used the privacy settings in a browser window to set a post to 18+, and I don't have coins, but that was when I posted, don't know about editing an existing post.
Pteryx
(Plus how to edit privacy settings in an existing plurk might not be readily apparent enough in the context of "use this flag as appropriate on penalty of permanent exile".)
ᴘʀᴏᴛᴀɢ-ᴋᴜɴ
The Tos violation thing is probably an excuse for them to ban porn/spam bots. If your plurk is already private, it doesn't really matter unless someone on your timeline decides to report you for some reason.
Striving Spark
Yeah.................... you have to link to the plurk directly, in browser, and then edit it.
Henrietta
I don't think companies need to create NSFW tags in conjunction with TOS warnings in order to be able to remove bots. >.>
nɑnɑmin
as an fyi, right now the nsfw tag isn't showing up on the official mobile app even if it shows up on the site. I think that will be solved once they push out an update.
nɑnɑmin
afaik editing it in after the fact by opening the plurk up in its own window, you should be able to edit it. even before coins were introduced you could change the settings on a plurk this way:
papermint tiger
the last time i didn't have coins i checked and you cna no longer edit things through the link
papermint tiger
it's only available to people with coins
nɑnɑmin
that's bullshit. why would they take a feature that's been there away from users, especially one as important as that?
papermint tiger
i don't know why they did it other than the cash grab idea /shrug
papermint tiger
but it absolutely said very clearly that it was only something people with coins could do
nɑnɑmin
hmmm. I just went and looked and yes, it does say privacy settings. but idk if that includes this new NSFW tag? since if it's a TOS violation to not have it marked, it would be quite unfair to penalize people whose plurks turn NSFW...
papermint tiger
that's waht i'm concerned about
nɑnɑmin
just had a friend check and free users can change that setting!
papermint tiger
oh good
nɑnɑmin
seriously.
Henrietta
The "who can see" part is coin-only, but the stuff in the right-hand side is editable by all.
nɑnɑmin
excellent. I didn't think to ask my friend about the comment/replurkable settings.
StupidSexyV⚠der
I'm concerned as to what is nsfw as well tbh. I work in a hospital, I do friends locked posts at work to chatter about my shift. It can get
StupidSexyV⚠der
Gory.
Pteryx
Mm, that is another concern. Attempts to censor NSFW content have hurt medical discussion on the Net before. (See the time back in the 90s when AOL trying to censor the word "breast" shut down discussions of breast cancer.)
Henrietta
FenrigealOdinson: Yes, you have to mark it. But they're saying if you post something that is deemed, somehow we do not know, to be "18+" without marking it as such, that it is a violation of TOS.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
y'all need to calm down, i really don't think all this fearmongering is going to help anything lmao
Pteryx
yellowpaintt: superorbital: People tending to call this kind of discussion "dramatic" and "fearmongering" is exactly the kind of thing that makes people more afraid of being silenced.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
except fearmongering and drama is exactly what this is
Pteryx
I was calm until the thinly-veiled "shut up"s came out.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
there's a wild difference in tone between raising the very reasonable question if whether discussion of sexual assault, especially considering the current climate, should fall under that tag and making transparent accusations that the plurk team are trying to chase that sort of discussion off the site and silence women
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
there's no 'censorship' of nsfw content here, it's just finally giving people the option to filter out adult content from their plurklist
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
which is important because the minimum age to join the site is thirteen which means! we potentially have underage kids on here!
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
and we absolutely need a better way to better mark and filter content they shouldn't be seeing
Pteryx
superorbital: Except that when it was first announced via popup, it said not using it as appropriate was a ToS violation. So what's "appropriate"? How will it be enforced? If someone reports a plurk without the flag, what kind of content will result in a ban?
Pteryx
the intent here to just hide discussion of adult materials and such, or could someone report a woman's accusations of misconduct and get her banned for her "impudence"?
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
and there again is the fearmongering and baseless accusations of targeted malicious intent
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
i seriously don't understand how you saw "hey tag your porn or we'll have to slap your wrist" and got this entire web of malice from it
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
FenrigealOdinson: bad timing, sorry! i was responding to DPS, not you
Pteryx
I'm not saying they necessarily mean harm. I am saying it's unclear whether they do or not, the timing is uncomfortable, and that even if they do mean well a poorly-considered policy could be harmful anyway.
joker
tbf since this is a Taiwanese site I doubt the current American social climate was at the forefront of their minds.
ϻѻɲқεγ
So now asking questions about how something is supposed to work, is baseless accusations of malicious intent, drama, and fear-mongering?
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
ϻѻɲқεγ : it is when you're making actual baseless accusations, yes
ϻѻɲқεγ
Um no. Asking questions about how something is intended to work, when zero information was given, and warnings about TOS violations was given, is not accusations.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
a question: "Hey, what's the exact nature of TOS violations and what are the consequences? It's a little unclear!"
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
a thinly-veiled accusation: Your timing concerning the addition of this feature is troubling in light of recent controversy about how women are treated in the US, and the inherently NSFW nature of that controversy. Please tell me your intent here isn't to silence women...
ϻѻɲқεγ
Oh ffs. I can't even with that. Peace out, homes.
proyectosd
good
Kittyfox McMeep
Can I get the option to just mark my whole timeline as NSFW?
236 bees
if you do then anyone who opts out of adult only posts isn't gonna see anything on your timeline though
236 bees
it's not like it's locked when you're logged out and unlocked logged in above a certain age
Kittyfox McMeep
236 bees : I'm fine with that
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
yeah i would rather make my whole plurk locked down than deal with micromanaging to this level
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
especially if a plurk veers offtopic while you're afk and you might get dinged if you don't jump on that fast enough
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
like it'd be a nifty thing to just give us the functionality + the ability to filter out adult content but the TOS warnings makes the whole thing a bit more stressful than strictly necessary
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
a lot of us would rather just wash our hands of the whole thing and mark the whole plurk adult-only like you can with your journals on dw
236 bees
true, my thing though is that in that case the tag itself becomes useless again, because things marked nsfw might be totally okay, and anyone on your flist who doesn't want to opt into adult only all of a sudden will never see plurks again
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
(i don't even post porn etc but sometimes i might make a dirty joke in a plurk if it goes in that direction lmao)
236 bees
either way there's problems
ᴘʀᴏᴛᴀɢ-ᴋᴜɴ
Just typing nsfw into the top plurk will do it automatically! It's no different than when you edit and put [ nsfw ] in the heading. And if your timeline is private, it doesn't really matter either way.
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
236 bees : i mean that's their decision tho lmao. people already courtesy mark their shit as nsfw all the time
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
i'm also concerned with what's gonna be considered Adult too lol. like back in the neopets days you could get banned for just saying fuck
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
not saying that's gonna happen here, but the lack of clarity combined with the tos warning does make me a lil antsy
Kittyfox McMeep
my TL is private, but I still just want to mark my whole TL adult-only so I don't need to type it every time and even risk someone on my friends list flipping out over an untagged nsfw
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
236 bees : sorry i phrased that a little more flippantly than i meant, but basically my position is like. if someone is uncomfortable with the possibility seeing adult content then...it's kind of their responsibility to decide whether or not it's worth following someone who might have a lot of it?
evantonky
turn off adult filter to view this content
Serlok
turn off adult filter to view this content
yosu🍋🍫
turn off adult filter to view this content
Serlok
turn off adult filter to view this content
Serlok
turn off adult filter to view this content
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
on mobile I'm getting this right now
Shard
I'm seeing that on desktop. And I don't have the adult filter on.
ides of mars。
on my computer I'm getting that too? I don't have the adult filter on though, saw a friend's tagged plurk the other day just fine
ides of mars。
does it block content if the op has the adult filter on, then?
Nimil
they are trolling, that's an emote 18+ label
ides of mars。
oh, lovely
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
Lmao yeah I was about to say I found it out
StupidSexyV⚠der
...it's not going accusations or being dramatic when asking what counts as NSFW. Is liberal use of the weird fuck enough? It discussion of
StupidSexyV⚠der
A penis or prostate or related parts NSFW even in a medical context? Drug use/abuse/over dose? Ect.
StupidSexyV⚠der
I'm asking because hey, I talk about these things and they are safe for work but could someone report it as NSFW? Sure. So what's the
StupidSexyV⚠der
Guidelines for determining a TOS violation? Yes I am aware the idea is to smack down pornbots. But misuse happens.
Serlok
StupidSexyV⚠der : the guidelines is common sense hey, you can write up to 360 characters now
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
text vs pictures was one of my questions too. is talking alone a thing or was this meant for adult pictures?
Cookie Politics
I mean, considering how many RPers on plurk lived through the Strike Through, I'd say it's a valid concern to bring up
'Sail
misuse definitely can happen, which is why so many people have every right (imho!) to be suspicious, when there's no real transparency. If you're going to wave a banstick as a threat, you better make it clear what sort of thing is crossing that line, and what isn't. that some people think others are making too big a deal of it only tells me that those
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
I just found my Strike Through icons last week ironically enough
'Sail
people haven't had to deal with people claiming the rules are common sense, but then applying it in an over-broad way.
'Sail
which... good for them, for being so lucky? but many of us haven't been. and so, we're wary.
r💀ll them b💀nes
Could the existence of the NSFW filter, and how to use it when first making a plurk - and how to add it to a plurk that gains NSFW content - be added to the FAQ?
r💀ll them b💀nes
More detail on what content requires the filter, clearly listed out, would also be very helpful.
'Sail
that would be lovely. also a good definition of-- yes.
'Sail
I'd like to hear "by 'NSFW', we mean porn." or something to that effect....
ides of mars。
^ agreed, yes please!
'Sail
at least that, we can all agree would be a reasonable definition? and pretty easy to follow?
'Sail
but the question is still what the Plurk staff wants to include, not what we think is "common sense".
ides of mars。
yeah, I'd rather not assume what the common sense is for the people making the decisions on what constitutes nsfw or not.
Pteryx
Mm, and the Plurk staff still hasn't spoken up again in all this.
ides of mars。
I've dealt with enough variety of people to know that what's common sense to me may not be common to them
Hooded Figure
^This exactly
Cookie Politics
"common" sense is just something you don't remember learning, really
'Sail
^exactly this.
Hooded Figure
Knowing what plurk staff specifically wants the definition to mean allows users to follow the TOS without having to guess.
'Sail
it constantly surprises me, what sorts of things I take for granted, that others apparently never even thought of. people are even somehow still divided on whether a mother breastfeeding her baby is considered "indecent" or not. (apparently, because omg boobies or something.)
Hooded Figure
Exactly
ᴘʀᴏᴛᴀɢ-ᴋᴜɴ
I think you guys might have better luck using plurk's official contact instead? If someone asks there, they might get a more concrete response. The TOS itself is actually pretty vague on the matter, which is probably a little intentional
Fuchsia Fox
Ok I don't mind the tag but.... How do you 'turn off' the adult content filter? I have the option not to show it, but it's not turned on... and it's still blocking content? Um wtf?
'Sail
Fuchsia Fox : if you mean a couple replies further up: it isn't blocked. they're just trolling.
Fuchsia Fox
/facepalm
'Sail : Thanks.
trek
plurk staff probably assumed everyone would understand what this meant and didn't need their hands held
ʏᴏᴜ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ sʜɪᴛ
Plurks with adult content (R18/NC17/NSFW/Pornography) this is on the page where you can elect to not see NSFW plurks, that's what they consider part of the filter
trek
but no i'm sure this is all a conspiracy by a taiwanese company to silence its considerably smaller english base
'Sail
which is well and good, but one person's definition of "pornography" is not necessarily another's.
ʏᴏᴜ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ sʜɪᴛ
they don't mean stuff that a random plurk could like, veer into unless your conversations are just that wild. they're talking about literally pornography
ʏᴏᴜ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ sʜɪᴛ
also half the plurk staff was probably asleep for most of this AND yeah using the official plurk contact is probably where you'd want to go
'Sail
and I'm not feeling quite eloquent enough to explain myself, sorry.
feeble scholar
it's not even ten am in taiwan right now, like
Hooded Figure
See, I'm not going to assume my American definition of "nc17" is the same as that of a Taiwanese company. That's exactly why we're asking for details.
feeble scholar
they probably have other things to do right when they get to work
ides of mars。
that's all well and good, but this plurk has been up for 12 hours now
ʏᴏᴜ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ sʜɪᴛ
which is probably why they also listed the R18 label, so you have multiple references
ʏᴏᴜ ʟɪᴛᴛʟᴇ sʜɪᴛ
also dude you literally said I'd like to hear "by 'NSFW', we mean porn." the thing says porn.
feeble scholar
oh, you're right, twelve hours is a super duper long time, my bad, people aren't allowed to sleep or go home and have lives after work after all
Pteryx
Not to mention, I'm pretty sure certain currently high-profile types of accusations would qualify as "NC-17". That's what I'd like a clearer line on.
feeble scholar
i'm pretty sure if those allegations qualified as NC-17 they wouldn't be being reported on the nightly news at 5, but what do i know
Cookie Politics
R18 has different meanings depending on country and medium
'Sail
again, "common sense" is not universal. in some places, holding hands in public is against the law/ordinances. people could be fined or thrown in jail for it. is that a silly example? sure. there's a diff between "hard porn" (excuse me, I left out that qualifying adjective) and cute fluff, at least in the USA. Plurk is not USian.
feeble scholar
which is why it says: Plurks with adult content (R18/NC17/NSFW/Pornography)
'Sail
and some people consider sex ed materials to be pornographic.
'Sail
again, this differs by culture and region.
joker
I'm not actually seeing where in the TOS it says you can be banned over this though (it does say they can ban you at any time for any reason without notice so I think if they really wanted to shut someone up they wouldn't need an extra rule for that)
joker
it also says this plurk follows the laws of the Caymen islands so I guess those would be the regulations you want v(._.)v
ides of mars。
I think the ban mention was in the pop-up when they announced the feature?
joker
I didn't read it so I can't say
joker
also by "this plurk" I meant "this website" lol
Cookie Politics
the tos talks about removing "Content that we consider in our sole discretion being unlawful, offensive, threatening, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violate any party's intellectual property"
Cookie Politics
for reference
joker
I think it's always said that though
Cookie Politics
yeah, unless they plan to update it after this feature
Cookie Politics
but this is what we have as far as rules currently
ɪ ᴀᴍ ɪʀᴏɴ ᴍᴀɴ
imagine being so invested in projecting your self-righteousness all over the internet that you invent a full-on conspiracy theory from whole cloth
ɪ ᴀᴍ ɪʀᴏɴ ᴍᴀɴ
amazing
'Sail
again: those that think wanting clarity is equatable with conspiracy theories probably haven't dealt with people in positions of power being arbitrary. :-)
trek
yeah plurk is a regular dictatorship
trek
'Sail
we're not saying it is. we're saying they waved a ban-stick in mentioning a new thing they're putting out, and would like to know just where they're drawing a line for using it.
Cookie Politics
you don't have to be a dictator to screw up royally
'Sail
just look at LJ, right? lol.
trek
-- also what sexual harassment claims have even been promoted using plurk like why is this even an issue
joker
yeah, and when LJ got bad we left
joker
if this site gets bad we'll leave
joker
such is the way of the internet
'Sail
the problem is, I'm unaware of any Plurk-analog that's ready and waiting.
joker
most of my game uses discord for chatting
joker
some of them more than plurk
trek
discord
trek
it's honestly what most of us use rn anyway
'Sail
good for you. I don't, and as far as I know, most of the other people I talk to don't either. Discord =/= Plurk.
trek
well then sucks to suck
ɪ ᴀᴍ ɪʀᴏɴ ᴍᴀɴ
well, golly, buddy! save some straws and pearls for the rest of us to grasp and clutch at!
'Sail
otoh, LJ and DW are quite similar in function. they even had migration tools. /shrug
trek
enjoy living under our benevolent plurk overlords
joker
you probably didn't use DW much before the migration
joker
at least only one person I knew at the time did
'Sail
I did, in fact. thanks for assuming. :-)
trek
strikethrough gave some people such persecution complexes
Pteryx
OK, trek is officially a troll.
trek
girl for real
ɪ ᴀᴍ ɪʀᴏɴ ᴍᴀɴ
lmfaoooo
trek
i'm not a troll y'all are just really getting fussed about nothing
Cookie Politics
or incredibly ignorant
'Sail
so, what horse do you guys have in this race, that "we'd like the policy to be made a lot clearer than this; some users have concerns due to past screwups elsewhere" needs to be argued against?
joker
I'd just like people to chill and not accuse plurk of some conspiracy against sexual harassment claims
trek
my horse is called watching you guys run around like chickens with your heads cut off is annoying as fuck why did someone replurk this
trek
it's really long
trek
but i think it'll pull ahead
'Sail
then get the fuck out and mute it. problem solved.
trek
no
obdurate
Guys chill. Just gimme a few. I'll translate the chinese official plurk's response as best I can. (i'm at work so this may take a while)
'Sail
dude, awesome. thank you. :-)
Pteryx
trek
lol
trek
whoever that was blocked me
Darth Imperious
Amazing how much less toxic this plurk became after I blocked a couple of people.
Darth Imperious
Of course, now 'Sail looks a little silly arguing with non-existent people but hey. Can't have everything. XD
'Sail
(LOL) I know, it totally does...
Cookie Politics
so was the message with the mentions of the rating on the desktop version? I don't think I saw it, but I've been on mobile
'Sail
yeah, it popped up for me when I refreshed the page here on my lappy, at one point... wish I'd screencapped it or something, though.
Pteryx
Cookie Politics : The mentions of the rating are in the timeline settings, on the checkbox for filtering out everything with the flag. The mention of ToS violation for not using the flag was on the popup that showed up on the desktop version.
obdurate
it's not active on mobile yet. (also the official plurk rules is longer than I thought. working on it tho!)
MELINOË LIKER
honestly i think we could probably benefit from some clarity on how these rules are going to be enforced but suggesting that a taiwanese company instituted a rule in order to silence sexual abuse victims in response to a bunch of american controversies is pretty profoundly stupid
Cookie Politics
'Sail : I can try and cap it when I get on my laptop, if you want
MELINOË LIKER
that having been said, in the mean time anyone who is worried should make their plurk private at least until the policy is clarified. TOS violations are addressed when they're reported, privatizing your plurk should prevent reports from happening
obdurate
'Sail
Cookie Politics : would be nice, honestly! it ended up dismissed sooner than I'd have liked. (my touchpad gets finicky at times, whoops.)
r💀ll them b💀nes
obdurate : awesome, thank you
Pteryx
Ooh, I see a direct answer to one of my questions already. :-)
Pteryx
keeps reading.
'Sail
definitely awesome, thank you!
MELINOË LIKER
obdurate : thanks!
joker
trek
oh cool, i really like the gambling rule
trek
i'm glad that's being given more attention lately
ides of mars。
obdurate thanks for doing this!
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
tbh when the initial popup thing about the tos violation came up it didn't have even the clarifications about R18/NC-17/pornography
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
which makes me feel a lot better already
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
obdurate : oh! thank you
'Sail
yeah, this is a ton better context. imho, Plurk should've started with introducing it with this sort of explanation. :-)
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
guys there's a new official plurk regarding what's been addressed here
ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ
in case anyone only saw this due to replurks and thus hasn't caught sight of it yet
'Sail
yup, it's right here!
‎(⸝⸝ᵕᴗᵕ⸝⸝)و BIZ
MELINOË LIKER : get your sensible global perspective the fuck outta here.
Henrietta
Oh look, while I was away there came several more idiots than the first one to throw on my block list. (eyeroll)
obdurate : Thank you, that's a lot more clarity than their official response has, too.
clash of clowns
thank you, plurk! this is some good stuff.
StupidSexyV⚠der
Serlok : common sense isn't common and again, what is nsfw varies
kimtuyennguyen
X-(
StupidSexyV⚠der
obdurate : thank you. Still doesn't make me not concerned but does offer some guidelines
StupidSexyV⚠der
I never saw the pop up either, as an aside. Which was and is a large part of the concern and why this was so suspect.
Cookie Politics
and in come the bots
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