Ash!!1
[twitter/art] okay QUESTION i am seeing more and more artists on twitter censoring the word commissions on their post, why??
Ash!!1
the type c*mmissions or c0mm/c0mmissions and i'm like ???? wouldn't that make it harder for ppl to comm you?
Ash!!1
not for bigger artists of course but still, i do not understand
Kia
I think like
Kia
to stop the bots
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
It’s either a bot or an algorithm thing
🐅 its harry
yeah its the algorithm i believe
baby gremlin
Might a bot thing or twitter itself might dislike it. I think it generally dislikes words like commission and shop because it thinks you'll link off site and they want to keep you on twitter
Ash!!1
what do the bots do if they detect the word?? steal their art?
Ash!!1
or the algorithm. DOES TWITTER NOT WANT THEM TO MAKE MONEY
Ash!!1
oh wow
🐅 its harry
it does not, apparently
Ash!!1
that is wild, i never even considered
baby gremlin
Twitter dislikes it if you put links in your tweet and will try to eff you over. But I don't know if it works against words
Ash!!1
i don't really advertise on twitter ever so it never occurred to me.
♦ DWDB-221E ♦
there's also a lot of bots and people who just like. will show up to post their links irrelevantly if you include the word "commissions" in hopes that they are responding to someone looking to get a commission
Ash!!1
aaah okay yes i have seen some bots like that before
TENtacle :3c
yeah basically to my understanding Twitter shadowbanned the term on searches bc of all the bots
Ash!!1
jeezus
Ash!!1
every day i learn twitter is the worst place for artists
TENtacle :3c
yeah it's absolute hell
Ari
i think the best practice is prob to just keep a pinned?? tweet with com stuff and then blast lots of fanart to get people to check your account
Ash!!1
yeah i just found another artist that keeps an image pinned with all the comm info
Ash!!1
still just fucked up!!
🥨depretzels🥨
its the algorithm, they purposefully suppress anything with "commissions" or "venmo" or "paypal" or links, which i think was initially to stop spammers and phishing or whatever, but it really just fucks over people trying to do actual work or provide service
🥨depretzels🥨
but yeah its super fucked up
withered pepper
bots will flood your posts/dms saying they offer commission
withered pepper
etc
Ash!!1
all this is so bad!!
🥨depretzels🥨
ITS BAD
PHONY
yeah it's both
PHONY
with the algorithm posts will sometimes not show up on people's timelines/get deprioritized
PHONY
another way to get around it is to have "commissions open" or something to that effect next to your name
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
I am not sure it is PURPOSEFUL suppression
Ari
Oh yeah that def gets my attention when I see COMMS OPEN in a username
PHONY
also the logic is that anything that sends people to any platform not twitter is bad
PHONY
like with every other social media platform
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
it may just be the algorithm has learned that things with "buy" or "paypal" or etc is in fact more likely to be a scam tweet
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
which it probably is
PHONY
nah, twitter is really bad protecting people from scams
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
NOT ARGUING THAT
withered pepper
twitter does not at all try to stop scams unless theyre actively user reported lol
PHONY
they don't care what anyone does as long as it keeps people on their app, which external links don't do
Ash!!1
this is all so wild to learn
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
I think that's a little overstating the case
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE AT TWITTER CARE ABOUT SCAMS
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
I also believe that algorithms learn things that are counterproductive depending on what objectives you give them
PHONY
facebook is the same re: anything that links outside
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
I also believe it's statistically more likely for tweets reported as scams to have language asking you to give them money for things
🥨depretzels🥨
its certainly serving some kind of purpose, im just not sure what it is other than 'dont give people except us money' LMAO
Ash!!1
i think both's true, but either way, twitter ain't handling it well at all sob
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
which means anything scoring a tweet's likelihood to be a scam is going to score something asking for money to be higher
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
which means those will probably be more likely false positives / downweighted to show to people
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
ALL VERY LOGICAL, BUT,,
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
correlation is not causation etc
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
They have a training set of scam tweets (tweets people report) but they do NOT have a training set of legitimate commercial enterprise tweets (no one is labeling those)
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
and if you train an algorithm to recognize scam tweets vs AN AVERAGE TWEET based on the content of it then it's going to decide any commercial keywords are indicators of a scam
💕sᴛᴀᴍᴘᴇᴅᴇ💕
machine learning is fun
Ash!!1
I'll be real I UNDERSTAND NOTHING just that twitter bad for artists
Ash!!1
but we are stuck with it for now
Ari
twitter is bad
Ari
instagram is bad
Ari
theyre all fuckin bad
Ash!!1
i still like tumblr the most out of all of them but it's very outdated now, and also not primarily for art
Ash!!1
deviantart is a mess now sigh
Ari
need a new art platform :-(
🥨depretzels🥨
i dont know if youre on furaffinity or inkbunny or... weasyl??? already??
🥨depretzels🥨
i have only used fa and weasyl in the past so i dont know how those are going
Ash!!1
YEAH i'm on FA! That's where I get most of my furry comms from. shout out to my boy dizzy
Ash!!1
weasyl i tried briefly but didn't get much traction so just stuck with FA
Ash!!1
FA i think is good but only for furry stuff/if you can find yourself a good niche, but not really mainstream stuff.
🥨depretzels🥨
the only way you can get mainstream stuff traction there is by making it SUPER FETISHY or drawing the characters AS furries lmfao
Ash!!1
P MUCH lmao
🥨depretzels🥨
i offered "cosplay commissions" there where i drew peoples sonas as their fav characters from anime/comics and stuff and those did pretty well for a while
🥨depretzels🥨
i also offered them as badges at FWA for a few years but i also havent been to FWA since 20...15??? so im not sure if thats super common by now or if it'd still sell as a gimmick but
gimmicks do be making the cash
Ash!!1
yea honestly the main reason i miss cons/want to do more is because i get SO MUCH more business in person
🥨depretzels🥨
SAME
Ash!!1
yeah at fwa one time i think i diid like, 20, 25 commissions?? in like two days
Ash!!1
just aggressively drawing badges and printing them out at home for the next day
Ash!!1
online you get sort of lost to the SEA OF ARTISTS all trying to make it sigh
Ash!!1
and the algorithm o9"
🥨depretzels🥨
the dANG AL GORE RHYTHM
🥨depretzels🥨
my physical turn around was so much faster than my digital and i think the most cash i left with one weekend was around $550? in the artists alley
Ash!!1
fuck yes!! i think it's like, the HYPE AND ADRENALINE?
Ash!!1
ppl being in your face READY TO GIVE U MONEY THEN AND THERE
Ash!!1
thats some good motivation!!
🥨depretzels🥨
IT REALLY IS
Ash!!1
maybe next year more cons rattles gates let me in
🥨depretzels🥨
i would sketch like five at a time, ink fand then color them all, run upstairs to laminate, drink heavily and then run back down and have those ready for the next batch. I dont know how i managed to get that much done while also partying, but EVERYONE would get their badges before sunday djsakl i miss those days
🥨depretzels🥨
LET US INNNN
🥨depretzels🥨
i dont think i have the constitution to drink like that anymore but boy i miss cons
Ash!!1
lmao yeah i'm not a drinker at all so i'd just be working 24/7 and friends would have to make me get up
Ash!!1
DRAW ALL DAY, GO HOME, CONTINUE TO DRAW, SLEEP 3 HOURS
Ash!!1
n,not the healthiest schedule but my gosh i love the rush
🥨depretzels🥨
jakldja THATS HOW IT GOES
baby gremlin
Ash!!1
that is SO weird
Ash!!1
twitter why
PHONY
not even names are safe now
Deputy Rust on Twitter
Ash!!1
jfc
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