a girl in love
mumbles at this point I see ‘the glorification of forgiveness is bad’ posts so much more often than I see actual glorification of forgiveness in media that it’s hard to remember I see positive depictions of anger in media even less
a girl in love
I have heard this take so many times and I’m so out if date on recent stuff that I don’t even know what it’s referring to anymore so I’m just getting tired of it. also everyone uses the word forgiveness wrong, still, on all sides
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
is this about encant
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
o,
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
,
a girl in love
I’m not good at being mad so seeing one that was especially heavy on ‘not only is anger ok, sometimes it is heinous to forgive people’ just made me kind of lie on my face esp when it was like the fourth one I saw today ,
a girl in love
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁) : it wasn’t about anything specific
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
okok. i was like
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
"do i even know any recent shit. i guess the last time i saw this happening it was with encanto"
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
paffes though
a girl in love
if I knew what it was referring to specifically it might make me feel better since then my brain couldn’t make it about me and everything I do
(Eat the candy)
i agree that angery is important but also seeing the take of "forgiveness is bad" in context of modern fandom is like :^)
♦ DWDB-221E ♦
:^)
(Eat the candy)
also "it's heinous to forgive people" LIKE... WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT..... ???
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
i'm sorry my brain is stupid and went from "this is an alexithymia moodwormhat" to "have you considered telling them you're literally disabled and a minor"
a girl in love
I guess actually no. if we are counting shitty halfassed forgiveness narratives on the glorification side then I think we should also count shitty halfassed justice narratives on the anger side. I do not know what the ratio is but it is definitely not as onesided as people act like it is
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
like
vast energies
i wish it was less the Media Discussion Way to just make vague statements about all media on social media. i feel like there is way less value in that than like. 'specific media XYZ does ABC and here's why i think that doesn't work in the context of 123 thing from earlier in the piece of media'
vast energies
ppl get pent up like this in general about other shit too like-- redemption arcs
a girl in love
(Eat the candy) : yeah in the context of modern fandom especially I am just like [WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO]
vast energies
they don't say 'i don't feel like XYZ character's redemption arc was written well' they say REDEMPTION ARCS ARE BAD FOR ABC REASONS!!11
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
the inbetween step was "god that's a pretty terrible take for all the people who are bad at perceiving and processing their own emotions but i guess alexithymia isn't a CoolKids(TM) brain problem"
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
but still.
a girl in love
like the tweet was an empowering one to be like ‘you do not have to and in fact should not forgive your abuser and the ubiquity of abuse forgiveness stories pressuring you into feeling like you’re a bad person if you don’t forgive them is systemically enabling that abuse, but actually anger is a source of power that can be restorative’
a girl in love
none of which is even stuff I really disagree with
a girl in love
and some people def need to hear it and I am glad if it helps them
a girl in love
but also I just am like. why nearly every time this comes up do people act like no one says this when hating on bad villain redemption stuff is practically a meme. on top of the fact that these posts go around literally constantly
a girl in love
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁) : GOD THIS IS ALEXITHYMIA PROBLEMS TM HUH
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
it sure is
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
i feel like, i am definitely happy for the people who needed to hear that stuff but i also feel like, dang i'm still working out my feelings like always and got years of backlog that keeps growing, i don't need a constant reminder that xyz actions and stances are things i can take and that there is a moral imperative to Going Against The Flow
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
(of Ubiquitous Forgiveness)
vast energies
nobody would have to make statements about media if they just followed the one true way of consuming media: only playing katamari damacy
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
it's also kind of wild to me to hear this stuff when like. i feel like the sentiment of no forgiveness/no contact/etc is one that has been growing pretty strong for a while now
vast energies
(but no it's definitely kind of annoying to be constantly awash in 'DON'T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU THAT XYZ IS WRONG' when you don't actually see anyone telling you xyz is wrong)
humicubations
the blurring of "redemption arcs and justice arcs can be done well or poorly and can serve different roles for different real life people" and "fiction should be a direct guide for what to do about your real life abusive situation or experience of systemic injustice and what grade you get in Handling Your Trauma 101 Class" freaks me the fuck out tbqh
(Eat the candy)
for myself i just dont want to deal with Takes(TM) anymore because frankly, i have my hands full dealing with my own feelings already, i dont need to experience/deal with someone else's even if they are close to mine
humicubations
like taking a conversation about one of those into the context of the other instantly enters Potentially Fucked territory and online posting makes it really easy to leapfrog conversations out of their proper context
(Eat the candy)
idk which part of Brain Stuff it is but for me its actually always v draining to like. see other people's feelings, esp expressed in such a way that it's meant to reach out to you. ig because i try to process them as my own when they arent my own and it just makes me feel like i have brain poisoning
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
which is like, i think it's fair cuz we're all realizing in roughly, like, batches/waves of people, that there is abuse and imbalance prevalent and it can be dealt with, without being endured, but it also feels like. i dunno, i worry that the sentiment helping and starts persecuting vulnerable people
humicubations
I Do Not Like It
crown another
sometimes when people argue a position that's near ubiquitous like it's a hot take is like man sirs gentlemen of the internet even if your take is right the way you're arguing this is bordering on comedy
crown another
I AM A LONE VOICE OF TRUTH, ARGUING THAT SOMETIMES IT IS BAD TO CONTINUE TO EXPOSE YOURSELF TO AN ABUSER, EVEN AFTER THEY'VE APOLOGIZED. you, the rest of you, heinous poisoners! YOU WOULD SAY MY ANGER IS INVALID.
crown another
I KNOW YOU FEEL MY ANGER MISPLACED
crown another
but I will not be silenced
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
like "am i now a bad person for not being angry or unforgiving of this past abuse" and in general the like. hostility + do not forgive do not forget vibes that the wilds of the social medias has been cultivating
crown another
and it's just like bruh
crown another
I think it's also just the like. lack of private forum tbh too.
crown another
because you're right, there might be a lack of positive portrayals of anger in media in general but because the general public/social sphere bubble in which we see this, it's not an uncommon take it's just like
crown another
what are you railing against, you're in a sea of voices shouting the same thing, but if it was a one-on-one convo you might be more likely to go
crown another
oh yeah I can see that and agree
crown another
but everything out in public lacking context, the context becomes social media soup and it's just like. gawd. come on come off it.
crown another
idk.
云深不吃素
also i’m like kneejerk suspicious that some people define “abuser” as “someone ships a fictional pairing i don’t like and didn’t delete and apologize when i called them a pedo for it”
crown another
and yeah, the contributing to the just. the inquisition attitude of fandom spheres right now, seeing no forgiveness is just like yeah okay it feeeeels like there might be a bit of a.
crown another
a bit of a motive here.
crown another
the motive for justifying your crucible of a fandom.
(Eat the candy)
agreed
a girl in love
I want to play Katamari Damacy.
(Eat the candy)
its like... are you saying this for abuse victims or are you saying this to justify why its ok to drive someone to suicide over anime pairings
crown another
you shipped goody proctor with the devil : (
vast energies
katamari damacy is fun
vast energies
katamari go brrr
a girl in love
(Eat the candy) : GOD IT REALLY KINDA FEELS LIKE BRAIN POISONING. I FEEL LIKE I AM PERSONALLY INJURING THIS PERSON IF I CANNOT BE RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY IN SUPPORT OF THEM BC IT’S SO IMPORTANT TO THEM AND NOW I AM A FAILURE
(Eat the candy)
YEAH!!!,,,
(Eat the candy)
for me its like "hm i must now Experience What They Are Feeling" and its like trying to shove their feelings mass into my head, squeezing away all my own feelings to make room, and it makes me feel sick.
(Eat the candy)
i genuinely dont fuckin know what this is or where it comes from but it is??? a thing???? and surely i cant be the only one who gets that...
a girl in love
I’m trying miss twitter user but my anger gear doesn’t work that way it only gets it up for stupid shit or when I remember how social media algorithms work
a girl in love
I legitimately think this person WAS talking about actual irl abuse and not stupid internet shit, but also because of the way people talk about stupid internet shit I can’t actually be sure, also the fact that I can’t tell if this was about media criticism or not and neither could the replies is more the fault of [every post like this as a collective]
(Eat the candy)
to be fair there also IS that feeling of "u want me to experience my emotions???"
a girl in love
and not SPECIFICALLY her tweet being unclear but I am nevertheless out wigged.
crown another
the lack of context thing
a girl in love
I feel like in this case it’s actually less ‘post provided too little context’ and more ‘my brain provided too MUCH context’ because 10< years of this shit has just congealed into a monolith in my brain
crown another
right, the context becomes the social media soup.
crown another
it becomes hard to see the post as anything but the atmosphere of people saying similar things within the same sphere even if you're aware there's a greater context wherein such takes are not ubiquitous.
a girl in love
aaaaaaaa
(Eat the candy)
i feel like it would all work a lot better if these people put it as "i feel like (insert opinion)", instead of "Things Are Like This"
a girl in love
tbh it would probably help a little if people phrased it as an opinion more but not enough to make a dent in my stupid ass brain
a girl in love
like also it is possible people make these posts like no one talks about things like this because they HAVEN’T seen that many, or seen them at all. however, I have, and,
a girl in love
opens mouth expels bees
a girl in love
as an aside I’m tired of stringing words together. language is cancelled
a girl in love
no more words. only Katamari Damacy, but without the dialogue
vast energies
[record scratching noises]
eyjaberry 🐑(🦁)
only katamari damacy
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