Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
Big Tech CENSORED Trump Video About Doctors And COVI...

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一家新聞網站直播一群醫生關於武漢病毒療法的記者會,川普轉連結,結果推特就刪掉他的訊息?
水管只要你貼反WHO的言論他也會刪你影片、臉書更不要講了,完全就是帶著他家的意識形態眼鏡來決定大家能不能說什麼,看什麼。
水管、臉書、推特這些訊息平台現在有比美國總統更大的權力了!只要他們不喜歡,就算有一整群的專業人士的建議他們也可以說這是謠言假新聞,然後把他刪掉,他們不是專業人士也不會請專業人士來確認,所以他們到底憑什麼來決定大家能不能看什麼資訊?
紅白青 ❀
it's responsible for the platform to stop spread of disinformation
紅白青 ❀
And it's exactly because those platforms have such a wide reach, they have a social responsibility to take such measure.
紅白青 ❀
if today what Trump retweet is a video showing a group of "researchers" claiming COVID is a bio weapon produced by Taiwanese government and that Taiwanese government has secretly vaccinated most of their citizens and that's why they have such a low number of cases reported...
紅白青 ❀
wouldn't you want that tweet to be removed or at least be labeled as containing false information?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
well I do believe that China is capable of doing that, we shall see.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
and I don't agreeing that the platforms should be given power to do that, no. The court can decide whether it's false information or not, not a platform.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
so basically a court can order Facebook to take down a piece of false info, but unless the court has gone through legal procedure and determined that a piece of information is false, the corporations have no right to do that.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
its just censorship and makes US no different to China.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
the court can regulate and fine media for spreading fake news, not corporations.
紅白青 ❀
I may be wrong. But as far as I know, currently there is no law penalizing spread of false information that is not part of libel. So the court has no place to come in to "decide" whether a piece of information is false or not.
紅白青 ❀
On the topic of whether a platform should or should not have the power to decide what content can stay on their website... let's not forget, Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/etc. are all platforms run by private entities. And I believe currently there are no laws preventing them from setting what their content policy is and enforcing them.
紅白青 ❀
Just like tv channels get to choose what content they air, stores get to choose what merchandise they sell... it seems weird to me to argue that these content platform should not be able to decide on such thing.
紅白青 ❀
If today they can decide that they disallow content with nudity (which surprisingly is not a totally black and white thing as you might think) or hate speech, why can't they decide that they want to disallow disinformation?
紅白青 ❀
I would agree, however, enforcing such policy can be difficult and turns into a slippery slope...
紅白青 ❀
And that is perhaps the sticky point.
紅白青 ❀
This is a fun podcast to listen to if you're interested in the topic of content policy enforcement:
Post No Evil | Radiolab | WNYC Studios
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
Well, I dunno why US does not have one. Australia has Australian Press Council, and Taiwan has NCC. If US does not have one, that means the nation does not believe they should to have the government as a regulatory body to regulate its freedom of speech anyway
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
What makes anyone thinks corporations should be granted right to regulate speech, if even the government has no authority in doing so?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
Well, the business do have a certain degree of freedom, to determine their policy on how they conduct their business , but they do not have absolute freedom. Laws such as Anti-Discrimination Act prevents business from only serving a subset of population.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
So while they can have a content policy, they still cannot have a content policy that infringes freedom of speech, which is outlined and protected by the constitution.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
Good luck trying to convince anyone here, I have absolutely no trust in Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube. Hence why I'm on Plurk, because I don't get censored here.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
Plurk does not try to manipulate the reach of my audience using algorithms, I don't have to pay to be heard. Nor does it has stupid policies on "Fake News".
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
多少川普支持者的影片被Youtube刪了?
這哪有什麼正義可言?別說笑了
這是思想審查
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
這些幫大公司工作的員工憑什麼思想審查啊?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
公主現在工作的Deputy HR, 把Pauline Hanson的帳號停了,還洋洋得意自以為是正義咧,他憑什麼ㄚ?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
這些SJW根本社會亂源 大家都來只服務同一政治立場的客戶就好啦?大家都來站邊嘛
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
妨害他人思想自由還在那邊洋洋得意
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
你要反對One Nation Party,說人家右翼歧視華人,那你選票不要投給他啊

人民有選擇的自由 他的言論不受歡迎自然會在選舉中被淘汰。

這樣隨便停人家帳號,就是霸凌,是歧視。謝謝。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我們不需要媒體自以為了不起雞婆,幫我們過濾訊息,訊息過濾跟媒體識讀是每個人必須要培養的技能,企業憑什麼幫人民"代勞"?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
這種需要機構當“大家長”的左派論述,說好聽是把別人當巨嬰,把每個人都當無行為能力者,其實只是看不起其他人的判斷能力吧?到底要多自以為是?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
這已經說好聽了,說難聽點根本是大企業的愚民政策,人民啥都不需要知道最好,乖乖餵他們給的資訊就好。誰要當他們養的狗啊?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
這世界上最不能信任的就是大企業,記住,他們不是選票選出來的,他們不代表民意,只有民主機制選出來的政府才可以代表民意。
民選政府都不能幹的事,大企業更沒資格幹。
可以再多睡一下嗎?
我只想說,感謝噗浪這塊淨土
紅白青 ❀
First of all, United State's Constitution does not protect freedom of speech in all circumstance.
紅白青 ❀
"The First Amendment's constitutional right of free speech, which is applicable to state and local governments under the incorporation doctrine,[6] only prevents government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses unless they are acting on behalf of the government." –
Freedom of speech in the United States - Wikipedia
紅白青 ❀
Yes. Congress can impose additional law that "restrict the ability of private businesses and individuals from restricting the speech of others". But that's other laws. Not the Constitution.
紅白青 ❀
So let's just get that out of the way.
紅白青 ❀
I'm not sure why the US doesn't have some kind of national News Council like Australia or Taiwan. My suspicion is that there is a deep rooted distrust of centralized government control over journalistic freedom. Fwiw, this article seems to support that theory.
United States: Media self-regulation: A questionable...
紅白青 ❀
Also, having government regulatory body doesn't necessarily result in quality press. There is certainly a risk in the centralized regulatory body getting turned into propaganda machine. On the other hand, with the right check and balance in place, I think having centralized regulatory body can be effective. On this topic, tbh I'm ambivalent.
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看到一些演算法、關鍵字審查,其實一直都該對這些企業有戒心,現代的民意其實很容易被煽動(望向那些沒戴著口罩的街頭抗議
紅白青 ❀
I am with you that I also don't trust Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, or any forum run by private businesses. And that's why people should have NEVER treated them as authentic news source OR assume they would uphold any kind of neutral stance OR somehow think they have any obligation to protect free speech.
紅白青 ❀
They are private businesses. Their ultimate goal is to grow their business and make money and create value for their shareholder. They DO have the right operate their business however they want as long as what they are doing is "legal".
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And let's not forget, most of the media companies, such as Breitbart, Fox, ABC, NBC, VOX etc. in the US are private, for profit businesses just as well.
紅白青 ❀
And they are under exactly the same non-obligation as Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. And they also have been choosing whatever kind of content would show up on their website, by only publishing the articles that they choose to put out.
紅白青 ❀
So I don't see why people would hold a different standard to Facebook/Twitter/YouTube saying they cannot impose restrictions on the contents on their website.
紅白青 ❀
And frankly, I believe that the reason behind Twitter/Youtube chose to take down certain posts is not because they are some kind of SJW (some employees may be like that but they don't ultimately represent the companies), but rather because they think keeping those content up will ultimately hurt their business, negatively impact their user/revenue growth.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
好,你們美國現在無法可管,不代表企業就“應該”侵犯言論自由。

照你這麼說企業若有能力管制客戶的言論的話,那麼你進麥當勞吃飯的時候。也可以因為說了某些話被踢出去。

如果你覺得這樣很好,那我們的想法肯定差很多,應該也沒什麼接下去討論的意義了。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我的立場是比起讓企業管制,不如讓政府管制,如我所說的政府及民意機構是唯一一種能夠反映民意的機構。當然他需要先立法規定媒體需要如何被管制,但我覺得不散播假消息以及不惡意扭曲剪接言論這兩點是相對容易被實行的。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
旺中之前也被NCC開罰過。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
企業不值得相信這點有共識,很好。
企業的目的只有製造利潤,你不立法管制,他們是連一點保護人權的義務也沒有的。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
如果你認為企業只要不犯法 做什麼都行
請恕我無法認同你的價值觀。
他們目前的行為有沒有被法律約束,以及他們的行為道不道德,這兩碼子事。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
既然企業的行為危害到了人民的基本人權,他們就應該被法律約束。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
不然我們現在所處的就不叫做民主國家,我們人類的政治系統也不是民主體制,而是完全的資本主義掛帥了。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
所以你相信麥當勞為了他們的利潤,為了讓他們的白人顧客安心,有資格為了維護他們的利潤把他們的黑人顧客趕出去。你認為這是正當的行為而且企業有權利這樣做。

唔,你想住在那樣的世界,是你的自由啦。我還是住在澳洲就好。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
你這邊把媒體跟社交平台的定義給搞錯了。你問為什麼某些人對Facebook, Twitter, Youtube及右翼媒體有雙重標準。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我認為這不是雙重標準。 Youtube我起碼可以承認他是Content Platform, Facebook, Twitter更類似"虛擬的社交場所",也就是線上的咖啡廳沙龍或麥當勞。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
你說Breitbart, Fox, ABC, NBC, VOX,那些是媒體,是Content Platform. 內容是屬於先提交,經審核,後發布。

你今天要是像Apple一樣,先提交,經過一個審核期,後發布。當然是可以把你不喜歡的內容過濾掉。Apple App Store 那麼機車,也沒人說過什麼。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
但你今天是先給人發布的權益,你給了所有人可以隨時發佈的自由,顧客的認知也是你給予他們可以隨時發佈的自由,發布了之後再說你不喜歡要把它刪掉,這就是跟中共沒兩樣的思想審查.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
如果你要這樣做,你就該自稱Media或content platform,而不是Social media.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
內容平台有審核他們發布的內容的權利,若你這麼做了就應該接受與媒體或內容平台同等級的法律管束,而你不能被分類為Social Media.
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
因為審查機制有先後,所以拿Twitter/Facebook跟ABC/SBS/VOX/CNN來比較是錯誤分類,不當類比。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我提到SJW霸凌,那是公主公司發生的事。公主公司開發的軟體是Business Human Resource management,留不留某個客戶,對其他客戶完全沒影響。這完全不是為了守護公司利益,只是破壞公司利益而已。
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
你要認為Google, Twitter, Youtube這麼做是為了維護利益,那我們就來看看這樣做到底是會為他們維護利益,還是會流失客戶吧。你以為被消音的群眾不會找其他發聲管道嗎?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
嘛 我是不否認或許某些民眾會希望他們的平台可以幫他們過濾信息維護住他們的同溫層啦。你想待在那樣的環境是你的自由,不過我可不想。
我們就來看看這些平台是否會因此被取代吧
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
等哪天發現這些大公司都成了中共的走狗 不要太意外ㄚ
都這麼明顯了看不出來的人大概是瞎了吧
說到銀彈攻擊 誰比得上中共大外宣ㄚ
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我哪個媒體都不信 我只信小雷大
信大神得永生
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
大紀元雖然不是什麼可信度高的媒體 但他對付中共相當有用
還是需要一物剋一物
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
我覺得你跟台灣人講這些很好笑啦 因為台灣就是媒體最氾濫最不中立Line上面假新聞最多記者都不查證亂抄的地方

所以照理說你所說的這些應該沒有台灣人不知道才對
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
那你今天連中文也不用了 用全英文講 受眾是誰?
Poshua奇諾多與無盡之塔
可以再多睡一下嗎?
感謝分享,LBRY 一點進去的標題就讓我笑了,說的真好 :It's time to take back control from YouTube and Amazon.
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