Quinneapolis
[toy story][stupid]
Quinneapolis
https://images.plurk.com/7oDLV15Hr3BSmZLGNYSMi9.png so this happens in toy story 3
Quinneapolis
mr potato head becomes mr cucumber head
Quinneapolis
so
Quinneapolis
where is mr potato head's soul stored
Quinneapolis
he swapped out his entire head slash torso and is still the same person
Quinneapolis
is it in one of the eyes
izzy.vrm
gestalt consciousness
連続犬
poetic answer: in the eyes, they're a window to the soul
shitpost answer: in his hat
Quinneapolis
if you took half the pieces and put them on a second potato what would happen
Rama
I find the notion that a soul is "stored" anywhere in a physical body odd
Quinneapolis
would one be mr potato head and one be a potato
Quinneapolis
would each become half of a mr potato head
izzy.vrm
there must have been some magic in that old plastic hat they found
Quinneapolis
which one
Rama
Consciousness is rooted in the brain. In a human.
Rama
Toys don't have bbrains
kamikasei
Funniest thing I ever seen
Quinneapolis
well the brain is inside the head, and mr potato head swapped that whole part out
Rama
Show me the brain in a Mr. Potato Head
⏏️ndrusi
I posit that the event depicted doesn't actually related to the question
kamikasei
That's an extraordinarily dangerous question, Nerdo
A Grinning DM
So you’re saying Mr Potato is a lich and are trying to figure out what his phylactery is?
kamikasei
You might not enjoy the answer you get
⏏️ndrusi
"Mr. Cucumber Head" is merely an extension of mr. potato head's ability to control his disconnected parts
Rama
That's not a question, that's a challenge
Quinneapolis
if you melt down the pieces, will he die piecemeal or when one specific piece is melted will he die all at once
kamikasei
I definitely lean towards the idea that he's all the parts, but not the potato/cucumber
Quinneapolis
what happens if they lose one of his hands and replace it with a leftover hand from another unused mr potato head
kamikasei
So if you started destroying parts he'd steadily deteriorate
kamikasei
He'd assimilate it like a transplanted organ
⏏️ndrusi
probably yeah
連続犬
Mr. Potato Head is his own stand
⏏️ndrusi
I do think the body is probably the "main" component
Quinneapolis
what if you did that with every piece, one at a time, and then put all the replaced pieces on a second potato
Rama
My thought is that souls of toys aren't within the physical form of the toy, but attached to it
Quinneapolis
can you ship of theseus mr potato head
Rama
There is a continuity of identity and consciousness within the parts of the toy
Rama
And you can in fact ship of theseus Mr. Potato Head
kamikasei
He'd break attunement with each lost piece and switch to the replacement
連続犬
so you couldn't swap them all at once
kamikasei
So if you collected the lost pieces and put them on a new potato, it'd simply be inert
連続犬
but doing it ship of theseus style is 100% doable
Quinneapolis
toy story 4's sporky suggests that the theseus potato could be animated
NekoInc, MSPM
I will note that the original Mr. Potato Head toys didn't come with the potato, it was parts you were meant to stick into an actual potato
Rama
It would be a new Mr. Potato Head though
連続犬
But it would have the same consciousness as the old Mr. Potato Head though
Rama
They're given souls by humans anthropomorphizing them or something
kamikasei
An alternative is that each piece has a partial intelligence and Mr Potato Head is a higher-level thing arising from their combination
連続犬
with no realization it's a "new" Potato Head
Rama
idk I didn't watch 4
kamikasei
So you could remove a part and replace it and he'd remain the same Mr Potato Head, though not necessarily unaltered, any more than any of us remain the same over time
kamikasei
The lost parts, each severed from the whole, would retain some inherent intelligence, but not strictly a "fragment" of Mr Potato Head himself
kamikasei
In this model you could recombine all the lost parts after complete gradual replacement, and they'd form a new Mr Potato Head
kamikasei
But it would be a new being
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
the Potato Heads are a collection of parts that collectively form a consciousness
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
in the same movie, Mrs Potato Head had lost her eye and was still seeing through it, despite the missing eye being miles away
kamikasei
Potentially, at most, having access to stored memories, but not experiencing them as its own
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
also, the pieces of Mr Potato Head were able to move around on their own, without the usage of a body, which is where Mr Cucumber Head and also Mr Tortilla Head happened
kamikasei
Essentially I'm modelling the Potato Heads as like the Tines from A Fire Upon the Deep
kamikasei
Which is surely the most appropriate possible comparison and exactly what the writers had in mind
Quinneapolis
the mrs potato head eye is important
Quinneapolis
what causes the transfer of parts
Quinneapolis
is it the toy owner's faith
Quinneapolis
is the eye still part of the mrs potato head collective because andy believes it so
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
my guess is that it's part of Mrs Potato Head because she believes it so
Quinneapolis
mrs potato head is a thought thinking itself
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
in Toy Story 2, Mr Potato Head had angry eyes, which he chose to swap out, so I believe that the consciousness can choose which parts it wants to activate as its own
NekoInc, MSPM
I feel like if we asked the cast of these movies, they'd have a complicated existential crisis and opt not to think about it.
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