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xyzzy
is Alex lifehacking or just pure evil
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yes
xyzzy
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Neither
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alex is a genius
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1) that seems like a good way to make a book unreadable. like wouldn't the pages fall out of the binding? 2) I suspect this is a troll tweet 3) either way the reaction to it is way overblown
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It’s a bad idea bc without a back/front cover the book will get munched or fall apart! Wouldn’t recommend!
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then again, I have little patience for book nerds who are less interested in reading than they are in treating books like sacred objects
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However I don’t give a single shit about the morality of slicing up a book
xyzzy
but siz you need to SMELL the book
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see: the wank a few years ago when someone used old books to make neat little paper sculptures
xyzzy
if you cant smell the book then it's not a BOOK
xyzzy
or I guess I should address that to neb
xyzzy
either way I agree that it's dumb
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neb is correct
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books are words on paper who cares
xyzzy
A while back I tried to look up if there was an ebook version of House of Leaves
xyzzy
I couldn't find any straight answers
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consume the book if you must
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that feels correct for what i know of house of leaves
xyzzy
just pages and pages of people going YOU HAVE TO TOUCH THE BOOK WITH YOUR FACE YOU CAVE CREATURE
xyzzy
EBOOKS ARE RUINING AMERICA
ULTROHAZARDOUS🐙
like... good argument against e-books: treating books as a subscription service that can be revoked at any moment by publishers is bad, actually, for several reasons beyond the scope of a goofy shitpost plurk
bad argument against e-books: yOu hAVe tO SMeLl iT
xyzzy
"so, no?" "YOU'RE A FAILURE OF A READER FOR ASKING, I UN-ASK YOUR QUESTION"
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treating physical books as the only correct way to Consume Knowledge is so classist and ableist lol
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LIKE NOT TO INTRODUCE THE DISCOURSE TO THIS ULTIMATELY SILLY DISCUSSION
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BUT LIKE: IT IS
xyzzy
the only time I actively get mad about it is when people compare shit like this to nazi book burnings
ULTROHAZARDOUS🐙
yeah like... e-books, as a concept, are great, and helpful for so many people. I just have Concerns about how e-books are treated by major publishers and distributors
Dr. Min▲zuki
I just want to point out that he turned Infinite Jest into two shorter books titled Infinite and Jest
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but it's impossible to have a nuanced conversation about it without some idiot with a paper fetish mucking it up
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mood as hell lmao
Papa's Brujeria
I prefer physical copies just because the eyestrain isn't as bad and because they're more permanent, but like
Papa's Brujeria
ebooks are not ~RUINING AMERICA
Papa's Brujeria
there's a huge argument to be made in their favor in terms of portability/accessibility
Papa's Brujeria
that said this is a stupid as hell idea that would cut the lifespan of your book
Papa's Brujeria
just get a fuckin ebook
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this is what makes me think this is a joke tweet
kamikasei
I strongly dislike deliberate damage or careless treatment of physical books and finding out someone did this would lower my opinion of them.
Hazard Kitten
and there's also, what if you're out reading and you get to the part you sliced the book? You just gotta fucking wait until you get home to finish
Hazard Kitten
and the midsection is usually when you really do not want to interrupt your reading
Princess Emily
what if they cut it in half the other way then
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Except for Infinite Jest, which, as Dr. Min▲zuki pointed out, has been cleverly divided into two separate books: Infinite, and Jest
xyzzy
now that's innovation
xyzzy
just read the top half of each page
Princess Emily
exactly
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oh, that's clever. you made the book more portable without damaging the binding
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problem solved!
Rabbit Crimes
yeah I’m assuming this is a troll tweet but regardless
Rabbit Crimes
>books are not sacred and art made from books is actually pretty cool
>books are still bound to the laws of physics and logic
>I prefer physical books due to not requiring batteries or recharging but I also have a shitload of ebooks, several of which I bought at the same time as a physical copy of said book to ensure I always have it on me fuck the haters
caster.
assuming this isn't a joke it's actually brilliant and people bitching about how others treat their own copies of mass produced, cheaply put together books need to go outside and feel one spf
Love Snake Kaja
I'll admit I winced at this, but it's not exactly a grave crime
Rama
I was about to go full-blown ragefest myself but like, in a way where I'm aware I'm playing things up for internet drama
Rama
Like how I pretend to care what other people put on their pizza
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bird time
It's brilliant but makes me deeply uncomfortable
bird time
In the same way that a whole watermelon with all the rind peeled off does
bird time
"This makes sense but I shouldn't be seeing it with my human eyeballs"
Rama
Seriously though those would fall apart almost immediately.
Lightning Bolt
I'm lawful/neutral good with some true neutral
Lightning Bolt
more true neutral now that it's easier to get ebooks of English books in Taiwan than the physical versions
Lightning Bolt
actually where does "ebook on laptop" fall here
RobotApocalypse
re: house of leaves, i suspect the reason there's no e-book is because there's a lot of formatting fuckery that would make it difficult to translate into digital form without just converting a bunch of pages into images
xyzzy
yeah that's what I figured but people could just like
xyzzy
say that, on the internet
xyzzy
instead of pages and pages of smuglords
xyzzy
abouot how ebooks are MISSING THE POINT of book
RobotApocalypse
it's also harder to follow the multi-page footnotes if you have to scroll down to each new one, while in a physical book you can just put your finger between the pages you need to return to and flip forward
RobotApocalypse
lol yeah House of Leaves fans are an obnoxious bunch like that
xyzzy
ereaders tend to have a back button for footnotes
RobotApocalypse
there's actual practical reasons they could cite but nah, let's be weird and elitist about it instead
RobotApocalypse
oh do they? i admit i actually don't do ebooks but only because i haven't gotten around to it yet and not for any ideological reason
xyzzy
usually it puts all the footnotes at the end of the book and the footnote is just a link to that page
xyzzy
with a link from there back to where you were
RobotApocalypse
ohhh hm
xyzzy
I gather a substantial problem would be color
xyzzy
which not all ebook formats support
RobotApocalypse
yeah idk if that would work well for House cuz it has like, a lot of footnotes, and some of them are just quick little nothing citations and some of them are 5-page long diatribes from the character who pieced the book together from the trunk full of scraps he found it in
RobotApocalypse
color might not be an issue actually, there are multiple different print versions of the book
RobotApocalypse
yeah there's full color, 2-color, and b&w versions, according to the copyright page on my copy
xyzzy
either way I'm not hugely invested in whether or not I can read House of Leaves practically
xyzzy
it sounds like too much work
xyzzy
it's just an example
RobotApocalypse
i actually love it and think it's worth reading, but, it is a lot of effort to read, yeah
RobotApocalypse
moreso if you actually need to track down a physical copy to do so and then lug it around when you don't normally lug books around
RobotApocalypse
anyway. i don't like, judge people for not reading physical books, there's no magical quality to them that makes them better than text on a screen
RobotApocalypse
and people who act like there is are being big dumb babies
Papa's Brujeria
I'll also admit this:
Papa's Brujeria
yes, I do sometimes buy books just because the cover is pretty and I want to have it be decorative
Papa's Brujeria
I usually do this when I already know what's in said book, like I have a really pretty copy of Hans Christian Andersen's stuff
Papa's Brujeria
95% of my collection is pure function though
Papa's Brujeria
if a book is in the public domain I also highly recommend you just Gutenberg it
Papa's Brujeria
or otherwise get it for free
Papa's Brujeria
a lot of the reason I tend to go for physical books is me just not being a big fan of DRM + formatting weirdness + the idea that a lot of retailers of digital goods can just decide you don't actually own what you bought
Papa's Brujeria
but other than the formatting weirdness, that's more of an issue with capitalism/publishers than ebooks themselves
RobotApocalypse
yeah the DRM is the big problem, and also the fact that you need the correct app to read the contents of the book you ostensibly own, so like, fuck you if 30 years down the line nobody supports the format all your e-books are in anymore
RobotApocalypse
that's just a problem you'll never have to face with paper books
RobotApocalypse
but on the other hand, there's a lot to be said for the convenience of carrying an entire library in your pocket
Papa's Brujeria
yeah that's basically my take
Papa's Brujeria
also I have never fuckin smelled a book
Papa's Brujeria
like
Papa's Brujeria
I know what books smell like
Papa's Brujeria
but I've never actually given a shit
Lightning Bolt
I do feel it's easier to flip through paper books than e-readers if you're looking for a specific scene and can't remember specifics
bird time
It's cheaper to drop a real book in the bathtub
bird time
But also I can't get most fanfiction on real books
bird time
It's a tough choice
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