Villain
Okay someone talk to me about VPNs
Villain
I've never REALLY seen much point in them
Villain
but like
Villain
They seem important I'm just not quite sure why
Villain
I know they're useful if you want to watch something that's not available in your country but I live in the US
Villain
and MOST THINGS are available there
hot bear summer
also useful if you torrent stuff
Villain
That is, in fact, one of the things I was worried about
Princess Emily
torrents yes
Villain
Okay what will happen if you torrent without a VPN
Villain
worst case scenario
Princess Emily
Your ISP will cut off your internet.
Villain
that sounds bad
GAY TENNA?
worst case scenario is thousand years jail
Villain
that sounds worse
GAY TENNA?
very very rare but the worst case
Princess Emily
I don't think they really prosecute people legally much anymore? But they might idk
Villain
Alright I'm sold
Villain
So what's like
Villain
a good VPN to have
Princess Emily
I can tell you do NOT ExpressVPN
Princess Emily
they sold out to a major data harvester
Niamh Vibes
I recently switched to Mullvad and I’ve found it easy, affordable, and trustworthy
hot bear summer
its more of a "better safe than sorry" thing for me. i torrented skyrim once when i was 16 and we got a warning letter from our ISP to knock it off
GAY TENNA?
yeah sis pirated xcom 2 and we got hit with a "hey don't do that" letter
Princess Emily
NordVPN has worked for me in terms of working, but within the past two months they started having annoying pop-ups advertising their other services. Every day. It's bugging me.
Villain
good choice though xcom2 is an excellent game
hot bear summer
i use nordvpn and haven't had any problems w it
GAY TENNA?
it also does partially depend on how much the isp...like, cares? if that makes sense
oh i'm scary
yeah this is mostly an issue for like
Villain
I'm on CenturyLink
GAY TENNA?
like if you download a lot of anime or jdramas or whatever
oh i'm scary
very new, big, western media
GAY TENNA?
nothing will happen
GAY TENNA?
but if you download frozen 2 two days after it comes out, well
GAY TENNA?
the isp will notice
GAY TENNA?
such as the case with xcom 2.
Princess Emily
I got hit for downloading a fucking movie NOBODY cared about, so like,
GAY TENNA?
and literally nothing else either of us have ever torrented or anything my dad torrented
Princess Emily
ymmv
oh i'm scary
what movie?
Princess Emily
Trolls
Princess Emily
It was for my son
Villain
So VPNs cost money, then?
hot bear summer
the ones with unlimited data do
GAY TENNA?
^
oh i'm scary
like, the Dreamworks one? that's absolutely the kind of big money maker they'll hit you for
Princess Emily
murkrows: it was a year after it came out tho,,,,
Princess Emily
but I guess
Villain
so if I wanted to, just as a TOTALLY random example
Magical☆Gurll
so i use windscribe which gives you about 10 gigs of free data a month if you stay subscribed to their emails
Villain
Torrent Kamen Rider Black Sun
Magical☆Gurll
which is more than enough to torrent a few movies
Magical☆Gurll
if you only turn it on while you're doing crimes
GAY TENNA?
i also use windscribe. i liked it so much i paid for extra gigs & access to a japanese vpn i can use to go shopping
GAY TENNA?
for kamen rider merch
Villain
That sounds about ideal for my purposes
hot bear summer
iirc there's a few that offer a limited amount of data per month and it works fine if you don't do a lot of downloading. but you will wanna spring for a paid plan if you torrent on a regular basis. i think i paid like.....80 dollars for a 2-year plan with unlimited data
GAY TENNA?
on the japanese pbandai which is IP-locked to japanese IPs
Villain
Windscribe
this one?
GAY TENNA?
ye
hot bear summer
oooooh
連続犬
yeah my general experience with VPNs is that i haven't ever needed one for torrenting
連続犬
about the only time I ever got dinged was when I was trying to torrent a bunch of Game of Thrones so my ex and I could watch and get caught up
連続犬
which, well
連続犬
self-explanatory blunder on my part, there
連続犬
about the only two things ISPs care about with torrenting is if you're torrenting something that's super new and hot off the presses that The Big Corporations are breathing down their neck about (so Disney and occasional Dreamworks stuff)
連続犬
or if you're torrenting like 100 gigs a day constantly
連続犬
They MIGHT send you a warning note outside that but generally speaking if you avoid those two things you don't need to have the VPN on for torrents
Magical☆Gurll
i've received "don't fucking do that" letters from ISPs for situations outside that so i'd call it better safe than sorry wherever possible
連続犬
but if you have one anyway, might as well
Villain
hmm
Villain
IS there a free Windscribe option?
hot bear summer
(im wishing i'd heard of windscribe now lol, i can take some junk emails and keep my 80 bucks......F)
Magical☆Gurll
go through "download" instead of "get windscribe"
Villain
aha
EsperBot
Actually that can be bad advice re: torrenting because some of the most aggressive fuckers with the legal threats and the warnings are small film studios for movies nobody's ever fucking heard of
Villain
Okay it's installed
Villain
So I just turn it on while Deluge is running
Villain
and then turn it back off when done
EsperBot
Yeah basically
EsperBot
Just make sure you get the order of operations right for proper opsec
EsperBot
1. Turn the VPN on
2. Start Deluge
3. Close Deluge
4. Turn the VPN off
Villain
Which I do by
Villain
https://images.plurk.com/7h1Kxy6C6vuOECcaQ4opRK.png toggling this?
EsperBot
I don't know Windscribe, but that looks like a browser extension to me? I wouldn't expect that to be able to VPN-ize your traffic that isn't in the browser
Villain
that IS a browser extension
Villain
did I get the wrong thing?
EsperBot
I think so. The browser extension would be for masking specifically that browser's traffic. You want the standalone windows client which will take ALL of your machine's traffic and pipe it through the VPN's servers
Villain
Okay I got that
Villain
https://images.plurk.com/7praCzChs5obOMPhtJDHNi.png looks like this
EsperBot
That big power button probably is for connecting to the VPN? Again I don't use this one
Villain
that looks like the thing
EsperBot
You can test it with a site like Where am I? • Ipcim.com that tells you where it thinks you are based on your IP
Villain
Alright!
Villain
With it off it pinpoints me as in Seattle
Villain
With it on it thinks I'm in Chicago
Villain
SO I think I'm good to go
Villain
...of course
Villain
the torrent file is 12gb
EsperBot
A general note about VPNs as a concept

In their podcast ads they try to pitch themselves as privacy tools and they DO protect against casual surveillance. But they also open up a big privacy hole, which is: the VPN itself, which gets to see every connection you make through it (although not its contents as long as it goes through HTTPS).
EsperBot
Just, bear that in mind. There's a tradeoff.

Also they won't protect against, like, a police surveillance warrant, but I assume you aren't planning to use it for Actual Crimes.
Villain
I just wanna watch tv shows...
EsperBot
For the purposes of Watching Shows they are very useful tools.
magnet
you're trading off your ISP being able to see which web addresses you connect to for your VPN being able to see that
magnet
Various VPNs make different claims about what information they log or don't, with varying levels of trustworthiness
magnet
but VPNs typically won't send you "hey quit torrenting or we'll cut you off" letters regardless, whereas your ISP might
magnet
which is the main thing it sounds like you want
Villain
yeah
magnet
just don't do anything that'll get feds tracking you down or use a VPN shady enough to sell off your info to who-knows-who and you should be fine
Villain
I kinda love
Villain
that multiple people were like
Villain
"BY THE WAY DON'T PISS OFF THE FEDS, ERIC!"
Villain
Just the assumption that I would do that
Villain
and that you instantly had my back about it
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