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Okay someone talk to me about VPNs
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I've never REALLY seen much point in them
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but like
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They seem important I'm just not quite sure why
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I know they're useful if you want to watch something that's not available in your country but I live in the US
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and MOST THINGS are available there
merry witchmas
also useful if you torrent stuff
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That is, in fact, one of the things I was worried about
Princess Emily
torrents yes
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Okay what will happen if you torrent without a VPN
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worst case scenario
Princess Emily
Your ISP will cut off your internet.
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that sounds bad
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worst case scenario is thousand years jail
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that sounds worse
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very very rare but the worst case
Princess Emily
I don't think they really prosecute people legally much anymore? But they might idk
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Alright I'm sold
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So what's like
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a good VPN to have
Princess Emily
I can tell you do NOT ExpressVPN
Princess Emily
they sold out to a major data harvester
Niamh Vibes
I recently switched to Mullvad and I’ve found it easy, affordable, and trustworthy
merry witchmas
its more of a "better safe than sorry" thing for me. i torrented skyrim once when i was 16 and we got a warning letter from our ISP to knock it off
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yeah sis pirated xcom 2 and we got hit with a "hey don't do that" letter
Princess Emily
NordVPN has worked for me in terms of working, but within the past two months they started having annoying pop-ups advertising their other services. Every day. It's bugging me.
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good choice though xcom2 is an excellent game
merry witchmas
i use nordvpn and haven't had any problems w it
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it also does partially depend on how much the isp...like, cares? if that makes sense
oh i'm scary
yeah this is mostly an issue for like
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I'm on CenturyLink
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like if you download a lot of anime or jdramas or whatever
oh i'm scary
very new, big, western media
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nothing will happen
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but if you download frozen 2 two days after it comes out, well
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the isp will notice
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such as the case with xcom 2.
Princess Emily
I got hit for downloading a fucking movie NOBODY cared about, so like,
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and literally nothing else either of us have ever torrented or anything my dad torrented
Princess Emily
ymmv
oh i'm scary
what movie?
Princess Emily
Trolls
Princess Emily
It was for my son
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So VPNs cost money, then?
merry witchmas
the ones with unlimited data do
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^
oh i'm scary
like, the Dreamworks one? that's absolutely the kind of big money maker they'll hit you for
Princess Emily
murkrows: it was a year after it came out tho,,,,
Princess Emily
but I guess
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so if I wanted to, just as a TOTALLY random example
Magical☆Gurll
so i use windscribe which gives you about 10 gigs of free data a month if you stay subscribed to their emails
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Torrent Kamen Rider Black Sun
Magical☆Gurll
which is more than enough to torrent a few movies
Magical☆Gurll
if you only turn it on while you're doing crimes
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i also use windscribe. i liked it so much i paid for extra gigs & access to a japanese vpn i can use to go shopping
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for kamen rider merch
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That sounds about ideal for my purposes
merry witchmas
iirc there's a few that offer a limited amount of data per month and it works fine if you don't do a lot of downloading. but you will wanna spring for a paid plan if you torrent on a regular basis. i think i paid like.....80 dollars for a 2-year plan with unlimited data
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on the japanese pbandai which is IP-locked to japanese IPs
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Windscribe
this one?
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ye
merry witchmas
oooooh
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yeah my general experience with VPNs is that i haven't ever needed one for torrenting
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about the only time I ever got dinged was when I was trying to torrent a bunch of Game of Thrones so my ex and I could watch and get caught up
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which, well
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self-explanatory blunder on my part, there
Don't 4get DL-6
about the only two things ISPs care about with torrenting is if you're torrenting something that's super new and hot off the presses that The Big Corporations are breathing down their neck about (so Disney and occasional Dreamworks stuff)
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or if you're torrenting like 100 gigs a day constantly
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They MIGHT send you a warning note outside that but generally speaking if you avoid those two things you don't need to have the VPN on for torrents
Magical☆Gurll
i've received "don't fucking do that" letters from ISPs for situations outside that so i'd call it better safe than sorry wherever possible
Don't 4get DL-6
but if you have one anyway, might as well
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hmm
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IS there a free Windscribe option?
merry witchmas
(im wishing i'd heard of windscribe now lol, i can take some junk emails and keep my 80 bucks......F)
Magical☆Gurll
go through "download" instead of "get windscribe"
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aha
EsperBot
Actually that can be bad advice re: torrenting because some of the most aggressive fuckers with the legal threats and the warnings are small film studios for movies nobody's ever fucking heard of
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Okay it's installed
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So I just turn it on while Deluge is running
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and then turn it back off when done
EsperBot
Yeah basically
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Just make sure you get the order of operations right for proper opsec
EsperBot
1. Turn the VPN on
2. Start Deluge
3. Close Deluge
4. Turn the VPN off
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Which I do by
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https://images.plurk.com/7h1Kxy6C6vuOECcaQ4opRK.png toggling this?
EsperBot
I don't know Windscribe, but that looks like a browser extension to me? I wouldn't expect that to be able to VPN-ize your traffic that isn't in the browser
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that IS a browser extension
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did I get the wrong thing?
EsperBot
I think so. The browser extension would be for masking specifically that browser's traffic. You want the standalone windows client which will take ALL of your machine's traffic and pipe it through the VPN's servers
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Okay I got that
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https://images.plurk.com/7praCzChs5obOMPhtJDHNi.png looks like this
EsperBot
That big power button probably is for connecting to the VPN? Again I don't use this one
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that looks like the thing
EsperBot
You can test it with a site like Where am I? • Ipcim.com that tells you where it thinks you are based on your IP
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Alright!
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With it off it pinpoints me as in Seattle
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With it on it thinks I'm in Chicago
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SO I think I'm good to go
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...of course
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the torrent file is 12gb
EsperBot
A general note about VPNs as a concept

In their podcast ads they try to pitch themselves as privacy tools and they DO protect against casual surveillance. But they also open up a big privacy hole, which is: the VPN itself, which gets to see every connection you make through it (although not its contents as long as it goes through HTTPS).
EsperBot
Just, bear that in mind. There's a tradeoff.

Also they won't protect against, like, a police surveillance warrant, but I assume you aren't planning to use it for Actual Crimes.
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I just wanna watch tv shows...
EsperBot
For the purposes of Watching Shows they are very useful tools.
magnet
you're trading off your ISP being able to see which web addresses you connect to for your VPN being able to see that
magnet
Various VPNs make different claims about what information they log or don't, with varying levels of trustworthiness
magnet
but VPNs typically won't send you "hey quit torrenting or we'll cut you off" letters regardless, whereas your ISP might
magnet
which is the main thing it sounds like you want
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yeah
magnet
just don't do anything that'll get feds tracking you down or use a VPN shady enough to sell off your info to who-knows-who and you should be fine
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I kinda love
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that multiple people were like
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"BY THE WAY DON'T PISS OFF THE FEDS, ERIC!"
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Just the assumption that I would do that
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and that you instantly had my back about it
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