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are there any other series out there in the Utena and Homestuck club for series that were actually way better at writing female characters than male ones
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Utena makes sense but it's still very funny that Homestuck was like this
lotus 龙 wife
I know I've read some books like this but it's flown out of my brain now
mouthwash
god it's hard for me because like
mouthwash
some of it is personal taste
mouthwash
where the dudes are not neccessarily worse written but they are just less interesting to me
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mouthwash : I am curious now anyway
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A LOT OF TRAILS IS FALLING IN THIS BUCKET FOR ME
mouthwash
not in all cases but i like the girls a lot.
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ohhh
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one day I will see.
mouthwash
one day
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do things that are like
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99% girls count for this
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I will also say it's harder to measure sometimes with things that have skewed gender ratios. like. Freezing. technically men exist, sometimes
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because if so I [ opens coat everything mora has ever consumed falls out ]
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oh okay.
mouthwash
yeah i was also thinking of like, harem stuff
SETH ⚘
gideon the ninth though it does have a couple of neat dudes
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tbh actually even with equal gender ratios there's still a lot of stuff I can think of it's just that most of them are 1. books or vns and 2. have left my brain as I tried to recall them, as usual
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freezing... technically, but i don't think this follows the spirit of what you're asking
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like in bl manga sometimes actually there are very good female characters but do to the fact that there is generally just one of them it is harder to make a scientific assessment on 'this is how this writer writes female characters vs how they write male characters'
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[ looks at hand ] dragon pilot hisone and masotan
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otoh actually a lot of shounen manga with very skewed gender ratios are very easy to make a scientific assessment on how they write male vs female characters
God of Brats
i actually agree that most of the girls in trails are written more interesting than the boys
stheno ☆
yeah I keep thinking about galge I've played and running into the issue of just kind of liking how most of the characters are written equally independent of gender or the ratios being skewed such that I wouldn't count it
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umineko
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I was going to say "most stuff I can think of that are more animanga oriented but not vns and like this are just stuff that are written by women, as would be expected"
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which also might just be a "taste" thing cause the boys are kind of hm.... mmmmmmore lowkey i feel?
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it's skewed but also
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umineko
stheno ☆
or like katy said sometimes I am simply not interested in any of the guys and it is not really a measure of their writing quality and is more just my taste
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"like mari okada stuff. like the dragon vore anime"
stheno ☆
they're probably fine. they're just not my type.
mouthwash
i'm katy now
stheno ☆
oh my god
a girl in love
SETH ⚘ : I am only one book in but I actually disagree bc Palamedes is one of my favorites. like there is definitely more focus on female characters and they are great, but I don't think the male characters actually suffer. they are fewer and less central but not actually less complete or compelling as characters
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I guess
God of Brats
like there's definitely boys that i LIKE in trails, but i tend to like the girls better
stheno ☆
vic and katy are both canadian and I like them both a lot.
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ergo
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and in the trails games i actually think they like. lean more towards giving girls interesting parts.
mouthwash
wah
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in Utena the male characters can be very charming and entertaining but who on this earth can honestly say they found Touga's arc emotionally compelling
stheno ☆
as a pal enjoyer I am both glad you are a pal enjoyer and not surprised
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I guess actually in the mari okada case it's hard to say that the female characters are better written than the male characters outright because like most mari okada stuff that isn't her adapting another work and sticking pretty closely to it is just straight up "men (or the society they've created) are a problem", which like
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does lead to the male characters kind of being props for the female characters but in a way that doesn't really feel like "oh she's bad at writing them"
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but Utena is not doing the harem series thing of just straight up not writing dudes as characters either. they are not [one dimensional protag] or [one dimensional antagonist]
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they have individual personalities and storylines and arcs and themes. that are markedly less good than all the girls'
SETH ⚘
i do also like palamedes very much, i was just also thinking about like, there are definitely some other male characters in book 1 that are simply ??? unmemorable so he felt more like the exception than the rule there to me
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oh yea umineko 100% IF WE JUST GO WITH PARENTS EVEN, every mom is a million times more interesting than the dads, and i do like the dads
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a GHOST : that's true Umineko.
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actually I guess now that I can think of titles the problem I have is everything that comes to mind are galge or other things that fall in harem territory or touhou or shoujo or shoujo-inspired and therefore in the mari okada camp of "these men COULD be well written they're just not because that's the moral of the story" vs. like
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it's possible those dudes are just victims of being a big ensemble cast with no visual markers to help tho
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stheno ☆ : there was a whole paragraph about how he looked at Dulcinea's diseased body like he had a fetish and I was done for
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[ kishimoto voice ] I do not know how to write Sakura.
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I looked at Dulcinea's diseased body like I had a fetish.
stheno ☆
it's true
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I LIKE EIGHTH HOUSE TOO. THEY WERE NOT. CONVENTIONALLY LIKABLE IN ANY WAY THOUGH
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but that's not necessarily a demerit to me.
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i liked eighth house,
clash of clowns
me reading this trying to think of an example only to see that i am already here huh
PHONY
seconding umineko
PHONY
it's a little skewed, however,
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hi Katy 2
vast energies
ar tonelico but idk if that gets to play because of all the fanservice
vast energies
but like in all the games usually the male protagonists barely have a character arc, meanwhile the girls are going off in all directions
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