lily!
[MCU][Very Negative] i'm going to be honest
lily!
watching the mcu slowly strangle on its own bulk these past few years has been
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INCREDIBLY satisfying
化けの花
YEAH
化けの花
GENUINELY RULES
lily!
congratulations, you have somehow recreated the experience of print comics for movie theaters
化けの花
like no way home made more money than i can even comprehend but that was like, in spite of the mcu baggage
lily!
continuity that requires a ridiculous amount of investment to remotely understand and hackneyed plots from writers getting passed the pen like hot potato
moontouched
this was all i could think about endgame
Niamh Vibes
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𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
this plurk is a huge mood
lily!
i'm going to be honest i think that the only reason why nwh made as much money as it did is that it got people who watched the original sam raimi spidermans into the theaters
moontouched
just straight up 'this is exactly what reading a big crossover feels like except in a movie you cant skip to the parts with your fav in them'
lily!
it was a one-time, desperate nostalgia grab and it worked, i'll admit. not on me but it DID work
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lmao YEAH
DSTXC
'captured the comics experience' is what I was thinking years ago and it just keeps growing
lily!
it's just
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okay slams down drink
化けの花
honestly like
lily!
i'm going to revive tween doom for this and sift through her memories but
moontouched
also yeah nwh got alfred molina and everything. thats all u need sometimes
化けの花
i would genuinely rather tell people to get into marvel comics than the mcu at this point, as much of a fucking mess it is over there half the time
lily!
genuinely speaking phil coulson is what started the mcu's death spiral and all the problems with it have only been magnified since then
化けの花
find the specific characters and runs and creatives you love and never leave
lily!
YEAH LIKE IF NOTHING ELSE
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
i've watched guardians of the galaxy and shang-chi and i intend to see black panther and then i will be content to never watch a marvel again
lily!
YEAH
lily!
like the thing is, agents of shield ended up forecasting a lot of the mcu's later foibles
化けの花
also like the mcu at its best is just like
化けの花
Fine. it's fine.
oh i'm scary
I think
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
i have accepted that i am not the Intended Audience for mcu
lily!
and i'm saying this as someone who watched it religiously when i was a kid
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digging up old plots in ways that won't appeal to newcomers OR the people who read them originally, making hypercomplex nonsensical continuity that retconned itself over and over and over again
oh i'm scary
if there's a crash coming
oh i'm scary
I think a HUGE part of it is Disney+'s fault
oh i'm scary
like oh my god y'all did not need this many TV SHOWS
lily!
and bringing phil coulson back was the first real instance of fanservice and fan metrics really bending a lot of the writing decisions
lily!
YEAH they've stretched themselves too thin
🐅 its harry
slurp slurp!
化けの花
but remember don't ask questions just consume product and then get excited for next products
lily!
they've noticed their profits started falling ever since endgame and have made an endless parade of Stuff to try and make up for it and NONE OF IT WORKS
oh i'm scary
it may not make sense but it just feels messier than when it was overwhelmingly movies
lily!
because it's just shoveling shit out as quickly as possible and it feels even worse than before
🐅 its harry
i got unexcited about the mcu really quickly because it kicked off at a time when i was like. obssssesssed with captain america & the avengers in a way that made the captain america film and the avengers one NOT hit for me at ALL
lily!
yeah
🐅 its harry
but i still had fun with bits of it for a while you know? there were films i really liked
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like i brought up agents of shield but at least it had the good fucking sense to never outright intrude on movie continuity
化けの花
honestly like, in hindsight the netflix stuff at least taking place off in its own pocket and operating on a different level was
🐅 its harry
now im just like. for the last few years every time i see someone post about going to see one im like Why Though
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
i wouldn't say "none of it works" since they've managed a fair deal of critical acclaim, but it always comes at the disclaimer that "the only mcu projects that gain any traction are ones that are kind of doing their own thing" at least creatively
lily!
same
化けの花
actually the best possible way to do a bunch of tv shows.
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
like yeah it's Too Much Content, but it's hard to argue that the streaming shows aren't doing numbers. most of them, anyways
化けの花
disney's entrenched itself enough i'm not sure they're even capable of losing money on something in a way that matters
lily!
okay this is me just being a massively bitter grognard (i say as someone who's only 20 years old) but i genuinely, really think that things like wandavision are like
化けの花
hell world
lily!
i would've loved that show if it was ANYTHING other than mcu
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
but also, people didn't enjoy Loki because of its connectivity with the greater plot (okay, some terminally online youtubers and their audiences did but) they liked it because its aesthetics and the charisma of the performers
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
same with wandavision and ms marvel
🐅 its harry
ultimately i dont think it matters that they suck and people are just going to keep watching them regardless but i would love to like. hear about them less in a context where the implication is that they're for me
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
the shows that do the most poorly are the ones that are just Extended MCU Nonsense
化けの花
oh with wandavision like. thematically and creatively there's stuff there but the mcu stuff ruins it
lily!
if it was its own thing i'd love it but whenever it bent over backward to connect to the mcu
lily!
YEAH
化けの花
like foundationally i can't get past white goyische wanda and will never be on board
lily!
clockworkbrain: YEAH
化けの花
also paul bettany's just. so much older than elizabeth olson. it's fucking weird and not exactly a relationship the mcu put work into building up in the first place
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
like i have not watched ms marvel but from what i understand the thing only thing that got people groaning was the planting of the x-men seeds in it
Niamh Vibes
Kevin Can F Himself is everything Wandavision wasn’t and I wish it had half the budget to pull off the same visual shit
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
which, like. i'm an big fucking x-men stan forever, but I Get It
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
i have no enthusiasm for the MCU x-men
lily!
Niamh Vibes
: literally exactly it
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
did not give a solitary shit that xavier was in multiverse
lily!
wheeling the discussion back around
lily!
i think morbius was the fucking albatross of superhero films
lily!
like we all made fun of it to such a massive degree
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
well, morbius isn't mcu, either
lily!
but that's because it just totally revealed the farce of superhero films for what they are
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
not that it matters much, i guess
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
actually, speaking of multiverse, that's a big example of what i was talking about before, only the mcu disneyadults gave a shit about all the crossover stuff, pretty much all the actual hype around the film was "it's a sam raimi horror movie in super hero disguise" talk
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
the extended mcu nonsense bits no one cared about except to watch those characters die in horrific ways
bagel bells🌼
the idea that you need to be invested in shows, along with the movies have been the biggest turn off for me negl
bagel bells🌼
it's TOO MUCH. i cannot keep up nor have the energy to care anymore after endgame
bagel bells🌼
and that's where it should have ended
bagel bells🌼
the spiderman movies are good, but let's be real - there's a reason why into the spiderverse is more interesting
asuka brain
im just over it
asuka brain
it's just corporate-focused grouped to fuck
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
at this point, the branding strength should be less in interweaving stories and more just selling characters, regardless of if the stories connect together in some big way, because that seems to be what people actually give a shit about
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
that and Let Creatives Do Their Thing
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
whether it hits or misses, just let'em do their thing
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
though i fear the tepid critical response to Love & Thunder is killing what little they currently allow
bagel bells🌼
gsai: this
bagel bells🌼
at the end of no way home, they were like "dr strange will return" and i was like
bagel bells🌼
"what the fuck??? was i WATCHING this for dr strange?"
bagel bells🌼
rather than advertising the next movie, tell me what's going to actually happen to spiderman!
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
what got people into the theatre to see multiverse was the character and sam raimi doing his sam raimi stuff. what got people in to see Love & Thunder was hemsworth and watiti
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
not Greater MCU Nonsense
化けの花
well, you see, the vulture's going to get sent to the morbiverse in a scene where he and morbius aren't actually in the same room and say "huh. spider-man's fault i guess. hey what do you say we get up to something s i n i s t e r"
化けの花
and, idk, maybe mcu spider-man will finally be spider-man
bagel bells🌼
mcu spiderman felt like an extension of ironman for a bit there which was an issue
化けの花
also genuinely i wish i was making that first part up, i know none of us true morbheads actually watched the movie but
化けの花
it's what happens
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
like... don't get me wrong, Kang is going to be another villain the world becomes obsessed with because Jonathan Majors is a super charismatic actor and the little bit we got of him in that role in Loki was fun
Niamh Vibes
What
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
but no one
oh i'm scary
wait what
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
as of right now
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
gives a shit about Kang
bagel bells🌼
there was a bit with venom at the end of nwh, so.... there's also that
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
and building him up as the next Thanos is not working
化けの花
yeah they put michael keaton's vulture all over the marketing for morbius but he's in like one unbelievably bad post credits scene and that's it
化けの花
and that's pretty much how it goes.
Niamh Vibes
It never ends
bagel bells🌼
there will never be another thanos because the original avengers are mostly gone. i don't think we can be invested into another movie like that again
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
and the vulture did not bring people in because Greater MCU Bullshit does not drag people into theatres
化けの花
maybe if they release morbius a third time
化けの花
it'll work
bagel bells🌼
FHUEDL;DSA;DASHD
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
no one wanted to see 30 Seconds to Mars and the 11th Doctor pretend to be more goth than each other
bagel bells🌼
make morbius the next thanos instead
lily!
okay. you know.
化けの花
avengers: morbius sweep
bagel bells🌼
also: disney likes to milk whatever it can for all its worth
bagel bells🌼
see: frozen
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
lessons learned from the incredibly stressful production of frozen 2 and the lukewarm reception; absolutely nothing
lily!
maybe i should make myself fucking clear
lily!
since this is the second time that this has happened to me when i have made one of these plurks
lily!
it's not just that i hate what the mcu is doing
lily!
or that i think the art is bad
lily!
i have a fucking ideological bone to pick with the mcu, and everything else like it, as a whole, since it has STRANGLED the fucking film industry flooding the market with mediocre movies making it hard for people making genuine real art to get seen and heard it's an absolute behemoth of the absolute WORST fucking parts of capital's culture machine
bagel bells🌼
you're incredibly valid
化けの花
i'm fully on the same page as you on this one, to be clear, i also just have to laugh helplessly at some of the worst absurdity of it to not just be crushed by it
skerple
you're right and you should say it
bagel bells🌼
this is why the new batman movie didn't get the attention it deserved
lily!
the constant regurgitation of Nostalgia to both new generations and old has made people settle for the same stories being told over and over and over again i am SICK of sequels and remakes and all that shit i just want new fucking stories
lily!
No you do NOT understand
lily!
I don't want a new Batman movie at all or ever FUCKING again
bagel bells🌼
OH, i gotcha
lily!
I want more Everything Everywhere All At Once! I want shit like that!
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
i'd be cool with another mad max movie
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
god willing
bagel bells🌼
a lot of good movies have also gone to streaming immediately....
lily!
And the film industry's current fixation on just dredging up the same stories and then spinning them and spinning them OVER AND OVER AGAIN until they find whatever is most profitable and repeating the process has strangled creativity
lily!
Reaching back to the roots of genre can be productive in building new stories but just don't repackage things with the same characters telling the same story so many fucking times
skerple
it's like tending a garden full of weeds
lily!
Knives Out was a masterpiece because it drew on the larger mystery canon but fucking Columbo didn't come out of the shadows in the credits stinger! And if people want dumb, schlocky action movies, that is FINE! I'm not saying they have to watch High Art or mysteries or whatever!
bagel bells🌼
the issue is also that a lot of original, good movies are sort of being pushed off to the side, too
lily!
BUT MAKE NEW DUMB SCHOLCKY- YEAH THAT'S EXACTLY IT, THAT
化けの花
the ecosystem is just so fucking destroyed
skerple
letting actual native garden plants get choked out because the invasive weed needs basically nothing to grow
lily!
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THE MCU NEEDS TO BE FUCKING BURNED DOWN AND SUPERHERO MOVIES BURIED
lily!
like i said
bagel bells🌼
The Bad Guys is an example of this -- kids movie or no, it was GOOD and the animation was FANTASTIC
lily!
this is the SECOND time that this has happened to me
bagel bells🌼
and it was original!
bagel bells🌼
but no one talks about it!
skerple
where it's like, you could have such a beautiful vibrant varied native landscape if you just went out and pulled up all the goddamn london rocket that's filling your yard
es un elote
yeah pretty much this like... okay it’s hard not to talk about Disney because they’re like way too much of the fucking market. and it does feel like the animation end is actually getting some decent stuff even if it isn’t perfect but so much of the conglomerate is just
skerple
but no, the london rocket grows thick and green with minimal effort, so as far as you're concerned, you're winning at gardening
es un elote
fuckin superhero kudzu
lily!
that i have made a plurk to bitch about the mcu and how much i hate it and how much i can't wait to see it finally fucking die and people come in here, in a plurk marked EXTREMELY NEGATIVE, and start talking about how some parts of the mcu are good and that there's some artistic merit and it's like
lily!
MAYBE THERE'S SOME ARTISTIC MERIT BUT THE MCU STILL NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED
skerple
LONDON ROCKET HAS PRETTY FLOWERS, TOO
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
i don't think those viewpoints are mutually exclusive, though
skerple
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE THE WHOLEASS YARD
bagel bells🌼
disney's strength has always been more in it's films targeted towards a younger demographic as it is
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
i think that's why people bring it up
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
it's not a disagreement or misunderstanding of the point, it's an extended conversation
es un elote
I do feel like it might generally be less of a problem if it was like, not the Only Thing
skerple
oh uh for reference, since I dragged my very specific gardening pet peeve into this metaphor, this is london rocket 
skerple
it's a weed that grows extremely fast and reseeds extremely readily and it's not like the worst thing to look at or anything but it WILL take over your yard if not stopped
es un elote
Yet Another Batman wouldn’t be as much of a problem if we were getting a more diverse catalogue of movies but we keep getting reboots of Spider-Man and Batman and MCU shit and there is barely anything else
bagel bells🌼
yeah, dc needs to stop too. we're getting another superman
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
doom this might amuse you— i was watching a standup dude on netflix and he made this joke about people basically treating mcu like a religion and it felt very apt
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
marc maron i think his name was
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
Marc Maron Thinks Marvel Movies Are The Next Big Rel...
ahah i found the bit. very short if anyone wants a quick laugh
𝖒𝖚𝖗𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖖𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘
“i’ve poked at marvel fans and they react like religious fanatics” is a phenomenon ive observed in the wild too and it’s always lowkey alarming
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
yeah the superfans are basically the same breed as Disney Adults, y'all know the ones
TᴏᴡɴIɴsɪᴅᴇMᴇ🐻
actually tbh they might as well be the same thing anymore
化けの花
yeah it's the same thing.
Mega
yeah, honestly, I've kinda fallen out of love with the mcu
Mega
the last MCU thing I tried to watch besides no way home was.... what-if?
Mega
which I dropped midway through
CERTAINTY
i think any artistic merit within the mcu (there is some! lots of people work on these movies!) is immediately tainted by virtue of being the mcu, which is a blackhole that sucks it all out into mass produced corporate trash
CERTAINTY
it's a good reflection of what comic books are because superhero comics also did this to comic books as a genre as well 
ezra time
there is so much to say about mcu but AGAIN GOING OFF HOW FUNNY IT IS IT REPLICATED COMIC ISSUES
ezra time
gotta loooooove watching all that fucking crossover shit for one character and then that character is never even mentioned
ezra time
me: unfortunately i must see what mcu loki is up to because it affects comics loki. oh cool loki unleashed the multiverse. surely this will be relevant in the next 5 films about this plotline (loki appears as a tattoo)
CERTAINTY
y e a h
ezra time
I DON'T EVEN LIKE MCU LOKI. HOW DID WE GET WORSE THAN COMICS WHERE LOKI DIES AND HE AND THOR HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED IT. BECAUSE WE DID SOMEHOW
ezra time
but anyways they did replicate the experience of reading the stephanie brown masterlist and reading a whole arc of young justice where she appears as a cameo in a background shot
i stay silly :3
i've been wanting MCU to die since fucking uh. Age of Ultron. It's just Not Good.