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[shounen serious poll] mha ranting got me thinking, friends is there any perfect shounen out there. or one that is acceptable levels of frustration that make it worth it.
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What are your faves
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if Pokemon counts I will say Pokemon beats literally everyone, I will take no arguments but will still hear ur sides
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also YYH for classics and such
MRS SEPHIROTH
my personal fave is saint seiya lost canvas. it was shounen but very much set up like greek tragedy, they had interesting battles that weren't so much power levels but unique abilities trying to counter each other and everyone, even many of the bad guys had super compelling arcs
bladeosaurus
ye, lost canvas is great
Ash!!1
MRS SEPHIROTH : MAN i know that one is a classic but i somehow have never seen it. just like random scattered episodes. dang.
LOVE☆STRUCK
Idk I think it really depends on what you get when
BC when I was a kid Naruto was perfect to me, NOW I have reanalyzed it and find faults with it, but at the time there was nothing better
The same w MHA before it hit animation
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
"perfect" maybe not but "acceptable levels" almost certainly; it does however depend on definition of "acceptable"
MRS SEPHIROTH
I never saw the original! but I love lost canvas. it has OVA episodes on netflix which are nicely animated but not finished sadly
bladeosaurus
worth noting, the classic is saint seiya, saint seiya: lost canvas is a spin-off by a shoujo mangaka, so the characters have DEPTH
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LOVE☆STRUCK : i was so into naruto in college until the time skip, and then it lost me. time skips, my nemesis, sob.
LOVE☆STRUCK
I don't think any of the shounen I consumed are ones that nowadays I wouldn't look back on and be like "okay, well, that aspect of it sucked" but I still really loved them while I consumed them

And hell. I still really love Soul Eater and still find it worth consuming even if I would say it's far from perfect
vast energies
the version of MHA that lives in my head
Ash!!1
lacerata: personal levels of acceptable are fine!!
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like. beastars is "acceptable levels of frustration", for sure, and it's shonen
funky lil peepo
fma,,,
LOVE☆STRUCK
I wanted to care about the time skip SO BAD bc I was growing up with them. But. Alas
Ash!!1
IS BEASTARS SHOUNEN................
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yes
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I. GUESS IT IS. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS. sob
LOVE☆STRUCK
I'm... Not sure beastars is shounen
LOVE☆STRUCK
Isn't shounen aimed toward younger boys? I guess... That can count
star✯break!
mairimashita! iruma-kun
Ash!!1
beastars is whatever paru itagaki feels like being at the moment
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
it's published in the same magazine as yowamushi pedal and saint seiya lost canvas
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which is a shonen magazine.
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
god, there's one that i don't think would qualify as shonen even though it feels very similar to a ton of shonen but
Ash!!1
funky lil peepo : shit. fuck. ur right. FMA takes it. i will relinquish from pokemon.
LOVE☆STRUCK
God now I just want to reread soul eater
LOVE☆STRUCK
FMA is the winner tho...
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https://imgs.plurk.com/QBm/42k/7hUEsArQFEu9uvM0FIx0vKxQRj7_lg.jpg
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yeah, FMA
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
but also, that one
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FMA
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
it's fuckin isekai but also it's SO dumb and gay
Ash!!1
FMA is so good that i forget that it exists half the time
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its just in its own bubble of being amazing
funky lil peepo
i realized no one was saying fma because everyone just assumed it was winning already so I stated the obvious
Ash!!1
u were correct
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... also i'm gonna
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have a REAL spicy take here.
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there's a lot that have the same "vibe" as FMA to me, like psyren - where the story is just lockstep tight every step of the way and the art is workmanlike enough to tell that story plainly
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but.
star✯break!
found family, hilarious devil-like subversion of common shonen tropes, a wonderful adorable cast, Very Gender
Ash!!1
give me the spice
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Kamen Rider Kuuga.
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YYH is pretty good, Spy X Family is a good current running one
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
"hannah that's live action" IT'S KAMEN RIDER, IT COUNTS AS SHONEN
terravesty
I'd agree FMA, and also YYH still has a huge soft spot in my heart
star✯break!
...yeah fma
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the first half of death note was really tight
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but it's about a guy who becomes a hero and the cycle of what violence does and it's just, super character driven
funky lil peepo
I've seen like 3 eps of a Kamen rider and it's confirmed shounen
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yeah i'm not gonna say all kamen rider in here but
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kuuga, specifically
Ash!!1
i will accept kamen riders as a shounen
terravesty
I think GetBackers might count, but honestly I don't know if it's acceptable frustration or just that I love the characters and the dedication to happy endings consistently throughout the arcs
目を閉じたらどう?
Ygo
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star✯break! : we watched the first season of iruma-kun and it felt like it fell right out of 2003
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because it lets the characters push the plot and it's not just a toy commercial, it's like... it actually gets into what being a hero and shit does to you, even the kindest, most warmhearted person
Ash!!1
like went into a time capsule and produced this anime
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
kamen rider kuuga manages to come down hard on "violence is bad, actually", in a good way, while still being a show about violence, and it's tied together really well and please watch kamen rider kuuga
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let us not forget mob psycho as well, I say as someone who has still not watched/read it
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https://i.imgur.com/eN8NNSo.jpeg
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Comic : first half of death note is baby's first non-battle shounen and it has a special place in my heart
Ash!!1
ALSO SHIT YEAH, MOB IS TECHNICALLY, FACTUALLY A SHOUNEN
Ash!!1
fma and mob when
LOVE☆STRUCK
Oh does Seven Deadly Sins count?
funky lil peepo
does mob psycho need to hold up, it's still pretty recent... y tho
LOVE☆STRUCK
I completely unironically enjoyed myself through the entirety of 7DS
Ash!!1
win* not when
Ash!!1
I have not seen 7DS but i will agree it counts just going by the my plurk list
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i seen more positivity than neg for it
LOVE☆STRUCK
I think it's not as daring as other shounens in terms of the chances it takes, but it creates a fulfilling story and doesn't branch off from the main point in too many ways to make itself longer the way other series can
Celizabeth Hood
hunter x hunter i think but i think that is rly dependent on ur taste in the end because it can get [THIS IS TOO MANY WORDS] but i like that lol
Ash!!1
honestly valid, thats why i have yet to even touch One Piece
Ash!!1
i will read one piece if/when it ever ends.
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Hunter x Hunter for me also
Celizabeth Hood
and i mean the level of frustration from the hiatuses is legit, but for me i just think the hiatuses are fine cuz i can just reread whats out there and its good. I THINK THERE ARE JUST THINGS I DONT SEE OFTEN IN SHONEN THAT IS PORTRAYED IN HXH THAT MAKES ME HAPPY TO SEE so i am like [you get a pass]
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like THE DAD THAT ABANDONED HIS SON TO GO ADVENTURING IS NEVER TREATED AS A DAD, THE SON'S ACTUAL PARENT IS FOREVER THE AUNT THAT ACTUALLY RAISED HIM, thanks hxh
Ash!!1
OH i don't count hiatuses, i just mean in terms of character dev/plot points/do they kill literally all of their women/etc
Celizabeth Hood
OH naw, there is a good variety !
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as far as character treatment hxh is great, as far as pacing and tone, hxh is wildly inconsistent imo. maybe the only manga I've skipped entire pages that were definitely important and thought to myself 'I don't caaaare' and then came away from the chapter wanting the next one
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that was probably heavily affected by the fact that it's hard to get invested in an arc when you don't know when the next hiatus will be or for how long. poor guy
Ash!!1
i STILL have no read hxh. I do not know why. I love yyh??? i like stuff with kids??? but every time i see hxh my brain whizzes by. one day i will have to make myself sit down and forcibly consume it.
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the fact that two of the main characters are kids really has little bearing on hxh ultimately
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which might be why
Ash!!1
huh maybe 8|aa i still should make myself read it some day since its also a classic at this point
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is it a story about found family, friendship, loss, love, anger, and destruction? Yeah
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it's also a story about fucked up families, abuse, politics, global plots, nuclear options, and bureaucracy
Ash!!1
oh i do not like at least 3 of those things
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and even with all those broad things there is way more it touches on it's so complex
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but i did like some of them in fma
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so i still should try!!
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yeah I do not think it luxuriates in anything beyond 'this is fucked up and they should feel bad' for the most part
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it's been a while since I've done a read through
Hoho-Eyes
slides in here... my criteria for enjoying a shonen is Can I Get Invested In The Characters and Do I Enjoy The Fights
Ash!!1
given what sold me on mha was a boy breaking his bones every fight, that is valid criteria i cannot pass judgment
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I think hxh is worth reading because the chimera ant arc is really good
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even if what a lot of people take away from it was 'gon was really cool when his hair got bit'
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big
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ALL I KNOW ABOUT BIG HAIR GON IS THE MEMES
Ash!!1
surely, in context this is less stupid
a girl in love
honestly there are a lot of shounen that I unironically enjoy so I'm having a hard time paring down the list
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it is less stupid but still stupid (affectionate)
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AFFECTIONATE ldjfas
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I also love Lost Canvas but would personally rank YGO Zexal higher than LC in terms of like, being genuinely good
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hxh gave us the all time great power set categorizer of nen
Levi
hmm I think it it all depends on why any particular series would be frustrating to me
a girl in love
but Saint Seiya and Saint Seiya LC both have my personal ideal quality in a battle shounen which is just going FULL RIDICULOUS INTO THE VIOLENCE
Levi
like, I can't stand One Punch Man, but I love Mob Psycho 100 even though they're by the same creator and share similar story beats (namely being about having an immensely powerful main character)
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LOCAL MAN GETS POISONED TO DEATH THEN GOUGES HIS OWN EYES OUT THEN KEEPS GOING FOR ANOTHER LIKE 5 CHAPTERS AND THEN STANDS BACK UP AFTER HE DIES TO RIP HIS OWN HEART OUT
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is this good? debatable. is this worth everything to me? unquestionably
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also I'm a sports manga apologist
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sports manga remind me I have real emotions in a way few other things do
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I've enjoyed sports manga, but I never get excited to check out sports manga. I always have to be dragged in
Levi
I will put up with a lot in any card game series and I can list all the ways each series of Yu-Gi-Oh are frustrating in their own way, which is different from how all the other series might be frustrating
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like, eyeshield and robot x laserbeam
into the YEEHAW
haikyuu-
funky lil peepo
OH
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OH! SPORTS MANGA REMINDED ME!
Ash!!1
all sports manga is welcome here, sports boys good
funky lil peepo
FUCKIN. HIKARU NO GO
a girl in love
I haven't read as many sports manga as I should but when they hit the good spot of - yes thank you.
funky lil peepo
HIKARU NO GO
a girl in love
I was going to say that also.
funky lil peepo
i'll fight anyone
Ash!!1
fjkdfaf
funky lil peepo
clasps hands with kaz
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I cannot get into HxH
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when they hit the good spot of just being SO FUCKING HYPE
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I do not know why
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and also the good rivalries and team relationships
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but it just does not hit me right and I cant sit through it
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I say, sitting firmly in YGO hell
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I dont understand my tastes either
funky lil peepo
hikaru no go has the distinction of being a like 60 episode anime that i will just sit down and rewatch straight through. you have no idea how wild that is for me
Hoho-Eyes
Maybe it helps if the shounen has cute girl designs?? Which I see the irony in having that criteria in a genre called SHOUNEN
Ash!!1
No that does sound exceedingly wild for you damn. OKAY THAT WILL ALSO GO ON THE SHELF
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Also pure bias: Law of Ueki
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I just thought it was real well done and really charming all around
a girl in love
my top sports manga are Whistle! and Blue Lock and Hikaru no Go in no particular order but Hikaru no Go is probably objectively the best among those
tandemarie
to reply to the plurk header and +1 other peeps, fma is bias bc it's my most fav thing in the world, so i gotta say fma
funky lil peepo
i would put it up there with fma for maybe not drama vibe or Quality but for holding up as rock solid
funky lil peepo
it's just very distilled
Ari
fma is probably the most mathmatically perfect shounen
a girl in love
I also keep thinking 'are we counting Square Enix shounen as shounen'
funky lil peepo
extremely purified go feelings
Ari
if u decided it via graphs and science
Hoho-Eyes
I dont know why I love card game animes so much but I do
a girl in love
CARD GAME ANIMES ARE GOOD
Ari
but i think one of my fav shounen animes aside from ones u mentioned like Ueki
Ari
and kinda ish Mob
Ari
does Jojo Part 4 count
Ari
it is the most Power of Friendship of all the jojos i think
Ari
and it always delights me
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I'm torn on whether to count ygos in the sports animanga section or not though
Ash!!1
i was gonna say i also am not sure
Hoho-Eyes
I mean
Hoho-Eyes
ygo treats it like a sport
Ash!!1
maybe YGo specifically is its won thing because sometimes Ygo is just fucking buck wild
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tbf re: HxH I have seen it described as the "anti-shounen" before which is probably why it works for me who generally isn't big into the battle shounen genre
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own*
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cfv season 1 is a sports anime for sure, early ygo dm is also more of a sports animanga except that early ygo dm was not actually entirely about the card game, so ???
Levi
the main issue I have with HxH is the pace, as in the pace of the storytelling. Granted, my main experience is the 2011 anime, but I can near quit during the Chimera Ant arc because it was so slow
Hoho-Eyes
ygo treats the card game as a sport so
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"i off-screened this whole battle tournament" is my ideal reading experience
a girl in love
otoh ygo 5ds is DEFINITELY not a sports anime to me
Hoho-Eyes
and actually as someone who plays from Arc-V I feel like its definitely a sports anime sksksk
Levi
story wise, I loved it, but watching was one of the most frustrating experiences ever
Hoho-Eyes
action duels are literally a sport dont @ me
a girl in love
it's more like a battle anime where the battle mechanic involves cards as a summoning mechanism
Ari
OH I FORGOT OUR SPECIAL BABY, ASH
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is... is motorcycle racing a sport??
Ari
HEROMAN
Hoho-Eyes
if motorcycle racing is a sport then 5ds is a sport actually
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...which makes arc-v double sport
a girl in love
I GUESS THERE ARE RACING SERIES TOO BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY RACE IN 5DS
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IT IS KIND OF A RACE
a girl in love
BEING THE FASTEST TO GET TO THE GOAL IS NOT THE WIN CONDITION
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THE WHOLE SPEED COUNTER THING TRYNA GO FASTER THAN YOUR OPPONENT
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I consider motorcycles a sport therefore 5ds is a sport
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and... vrains has SURFBOARDING I GUESS??
Hoho-Eyes
SO ALSO A SPORT??
a girl in love
IS OBAN STAR RACERS A SPORTS ANIME???
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I DONT KNOW I DONT KNOW THAT ANIME
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GENUINE QUESTION. SEND HELP
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I THINK IF IT INVOLVES RACING IN ANY CAPACITY ITS A SPORT
Ash!!1
lakdfjdafkl HEROMAN IS A SHOUNEN YES but spefically americanized
Hoho-Eyes
ygo is a sports anime now its official
Ash!!1
and its so funny
Ari
the music was a bop
Ash!!1
and yea ygo can just be. Battle. Sports. It's Somewhere
Hoho-Eyes
and yeah ygo's shounen action just involves the card game, you could probably remove the card game but keep the summoning aspect honestly
Hoho-Eyes
but obviously not because still gotta follow the cards
Hoho-Eyes
ygo is just pokemon with extra steps
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does stuff like trigun and cowboy bebop count? are they as good as I remember? I have no idea their soundtracks still rock though
Ash!!1
i mean ur not wrong
a girl in love
IS POKEMON A SPORTS ANIME
Ash!!1
Pokemon is a monster battle anime
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pokemon is a sport for sure
Ash!!1
so yah
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especially sword/shield
Ash!!1
cowboy bebop i would say...nnnnno
Ash!!1
cuz its more just like
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POKEMON IS ABSOLUTELY A SPORTS ANIME
Ash!!1
a Vibe
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IT LITERALLY IS
a girl in love
I just looked up Cowboy Bebop to see what the demographic was listed as
Ash!!1
ur just watching these bounty hunters do their thing
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THERE ARE MULTIPLE KINDS OF POKEMON SPORTS TOO THAT ARENT EVEN JUST BATTLING
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and apparently the manga adaptation was published in a shoujo magazine.
Ash!!1
sometimes theres action sometimes theres space clowns
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so it's not shounen.
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adklfjadkfa
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well there u go
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rip
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sounds fair to me
Ash!!1
TRIGUN...i'm honestly not sure
Ash!!1
maybe it's more seinen? but i could see it as shounen
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God yyh and hxh are wildly not perfect but they are my true favorites
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they both are very shoujo tbh despite how actiony they are
Ash!!1
but it feels a lil more. mm. not high concept but?
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Trigun is shounen
Ash!!1
something
Ash!!1
space western shounen
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Fma is best tho
Ash!!1
wait outlaw star is shounen
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all the vash flashbacks could've easily been something in please save my earth or some shit
Ash!!1
so yeah trigun is shounen
a girl in love
older shounen series like, not all of them but a lot of them were more mature in a lot of ways than what we're used to thinking of as shounen these days
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that's true
Ash!!1
yah
a girl in love
restrictions on violence/nudity depictions tightened up a lot at some point and even tho like
Hoho-Eyes
I wasnt really around during "older shounen" but yeah
a girl in love
the characters generally have historically been 'teenagers' ppl started actually writing them as teenagers more often somewhere along the lines.
Ash!!1
honestly what shounens are even set at a high school. i can only think of yyh and mha off the top of my head.
Ash!!1
most are General Adventures
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sports anime
Ash!!1
OH okay fair alkdfjas
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unless they are set in middle schools that is.
Hoho-Eyes
ygo is weird
Ash!!1
weep
Hoho-Eyes
they keep getting younger
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and wtf grade is GX
Ash!!1
reverse uno'd ygo
Hoho-Eyes
is gx a high school? Is it a middle school? wtf?
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I dont remember what judai's canon age is so
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lots of harem/romantic comedy shounen in high school
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but I would never point to those as perfect by any means
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