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fog related but not WAR related, just ~speculashuns~ based on a convo maya's having
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thinking about how recently they've kind of been uncovering that yes, the fog is more powerful than them, but may not be as powerful/in control as she says she is
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and thinking about how most of the monsters assume she is picking a specific monster for each, but I can't think of (to my own knowledge, but i'd love to look through the fog boc soon to see) any time she specifically admitted to choosing a particular monster for any character
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when you get a fog boon to have a new monster form, it's also of a monster that is similar to their assignment
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so the question becomes
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is Foggy attached to the assignments she gives?
or
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is she not in charge of that?
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does Mana's power in some way rival Foggy's, or is Foggy just super control-bent when it comes to assignments?
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these are the questions that keep me up all night. inquiring minds want to know but also don't tell me because i don't want to solve the game---
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i do think, world-building-wise, the characters ICly only really know like. what they've confirmed with each other, what monsters and historybooks have said
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but they don't necessarily know the Truth at anyt urn
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i think about this a lot
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about the thread where fiddleford asked her why a snake and she basically gave him non-answers and led him to his own conclusions
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i think it's just as potentially random as her choice of who she brings in is which is great
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beat 100% believes she has almost no power, beside causing the changes and potentially driving fury into their hearts
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beat might be on to something
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my ooc belief is that monster form is mostly outside her control and corresponds to personality traits, except ryslig is on fire in every possible way so sometimes it breaks and you get a flip or a random
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see maya is of two minds in her following the fog.
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The part that she denies is the part where she actually does want to feel validated and like she's doing something 'right' at any time bc she hasn't felt like that her whole life.
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the part that she stands behind is being stronger, at all, because she does want to be stronger because to her, everything is scarier than her!
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she does see herself as cute and sweet and doesn't think she's actually very scary or strong, so that power helps with that. BUT ALSO
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she has a strong suspicion that the only way to learn the truth about the fog is to get close to her.
taffy
i've also been wondering this??
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she looks at it the way they've gotten things out of witnesses in the past: get close to them, get them to trust you, and they might either answer your questions or offer contradictions
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and using evidence or testimony, you can use those contradictions to pursue the truth
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especially if you get a character who gets the same monster type twice but a different form each time...
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Maya is incredibly stupid and thinks she can, if she works hard enough, manipulate the fog god into showing her the truth
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It's sort of one of the reasons why Beat is hunting to see if the Night God's Avatar is still around. He really doesn't believe Fog is all powerful and that she can be taken down and yadda yadda.
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HEY PLURK CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME PEOPLE'S RESPONSES
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tbf he also thinks she enjoyed killing her siblings because THEY were the ones in charge, not Her
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and by knifing them she gained their powers
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see Maya doesn't think that's true because of the way Foggy has talked about it to her before-- though Foggy has gotten MAD ANGRY with others who have talked to her about it
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Maya thinks the fog god was hurt by it, but in ways even she doesn't understand or want to process
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when you're not human but have human emotions but hate humans
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Fog just like naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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she also thinks that the Fog god pities Elias
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because of the way the fog said to Maya that Elias is playing with things he doesn't understand
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and beat thinks she outright hates him
i stay silly :3
rika is putting together ideas about staying out of the god stuff but having ascended past mortality once thinks if she can play the game right she can somehow supplant or do an end run around the gods. which is probably not actually going to happen but try telling that to someone used to having significant abilities/dealing with gods.
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due to phil telling beat that fog told him elias was STEALING the power
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for one small moment she gave Maya something that sounded to Maya that she was concerned about Elias, but it could have been anything, tbh
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god. if fogs and fourths actually compared notes i wonder if they'd actually have enough information to manipulate either god
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beats just like how about ya both become human (again in elias' case) and let us govern ourselves ok thx
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SEE MY WHOLE THING IS I'm not entirely suer Maya's right abotu anything, myself, because Maya Fey could put emotions on almost any bad guy and be like " : ( but they deserve a second chance"
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so she's like, worried about both gods
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and i'm worried about HER-- (superficially)
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(fuck her up)
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HAHA
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tbf beat canonically makes friends with the guys who did him dirty before so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ he just also has an authority issue so fuck you Fog God claiming to be a Mom but we're just your stupid little pawn pieces ima go pee in lake dala and change my hair color fuck you
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i love the idea of foggy just looking at beat like okay yes dear keep up your rebellious stage
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i have time
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this is what happens when you put a bunch of shounen protag types in a game with two very polarized gods
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i stay silly :3 : yeah there are quite a few chars thinking the "replace" option. beat just kinda wants fog to die but depowered is fine.
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they try to save/change the gods
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PLURK. HELLO!!! STOP HIDING SHIT!!!
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god i had to refresh to see that comment but i do love the number of characters that think they can secretly game the gods
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to be fair to rika she's done it once before :-P
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YEAH LIKE there's so many who've been like: yeah I've supplanted god before or even yes hello I WAS a god it's like bro
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welcome to depowered central
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i love all this
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you know what's the funniest thing to me
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taako honestly has the opinion that neither are gods, they're just very powerful beings, but he also like... he's met gods, he's met the literal creator of his own universe and he's still like "i bet i could do that if i had a couple years"
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all of these very cool, very active battling gods people
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and then space dandy, who met god, was asked to become the next god, and said no bc it meant he wouldn't be able to go to titty bars anymore
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and thus a universe with no god was born
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mostly he's just looking at everyone signing up with foggie or elias going "that's a warlock pact my guy, you are joining a cult, jsyk"
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DANDY,
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"i thought space dandy was a comedy" yes
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rika just wants to go back to hopping fragments with her gf T_T
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consider instead; swapping monsters with ur gf
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maya @ taako like
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i was already in a cult
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yeah tbf beat was already following a god before coming here
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maya's cult had no gods but it did have real powers
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JHKLDF;AS taako just looking at them like okay you're beyond reasoning with and i wasn't intending on doing it anyway. so,
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...honestly maya was about to be in charge of her cult, too, so
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maya like i CAN HANDLE CULTS (she can't_
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cackles
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maya: i can handle cults! cool here's a cult! did i say i can handle cults i meant
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sonic is convinced that the fog god doesn't have nearly as much power as she says she does
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she could probably handle it if Foggy wasn't
see i don't even think foggy is trying
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and one day he'll be able to call her on her bluff!!!
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but she just automatically slots into that "hey remember how you don't have a mom bc your mom abandoned you and your aunt hated you and told you you could never do anything right"
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"well now this new lady who you want to manipulate is telling you you're a good girl"
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maya: i can play the fog. i can play the fog for power and information. I can definitely do this because manipulating others is the only way I"ve been able to live this long
also maya: i hate it when my friends say i'm bad but the fog says i'm good and id on't know what to do anymore
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maya got reverse uno'd...
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PRETTY MUCH'
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josh is in a unique position to go "haha you're both exactly what I was back home and I know I wasn't the top rung of the ladder, you might think you have ultimate divine authority but you absolutely do not"
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maya just wants to know who does
but getting that information has been like pulling teeth-- though she and trish and altair got to learn quite a bit of extra stuff from the storyteller
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i oocly think the fog doesn't have as much power as characters think too but the thing that really is the sticking point for me is the pearl
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josh looking at the fog sipping his tea like "bless your heart"
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maya just isn't sure how that part slots in yet, she should probably find a way to anonymously redistribut-- YEAH
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THAT'S A GOOD POINT'
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THE PEARL...
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turning tage into the replacement pearl is actually
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a LOT of power
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what happened with the pearl?
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it's definitely a LOT of power, which makes "there are people more powerful than the fog" terrifying
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the fog is supposed to be a mediator/maintainer of balance, so that sort of thing is within her portfolio (to be very d&d about it)
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the tl;dr is when our sacrifices got shunted out bc the human monster kinnie cult (mostly the leader, tage) fucked up the fog got fed up
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and was like "alright. you want senpai to notice you? you're the new seal to the universe. and you're aware of it. always. have fun."
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WELP
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oh which reminds me that josh wanted to go down and look at it
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yup,
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THAT SAID
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oh yeah that's very much in the "status quo maintainer" power book
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maytemps would be perfect with reira as a guide, if I believe that's what they talked about user not found
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that's another reason why Maya doesn't think the fog actually hates people as much as she says
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because Maya begged the fog, but foggy immediately forgave Taako and Lup (obviously, they're monsters)
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and the original gods were day, night, and then her, all of whom have a very strong natural order vibe
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she has a lot of power...!! to keep things stable
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and then after that, in the situations following, that is when Foggy expressed what seemed to Maya like concern about everything
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and not just about Elias
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shes so funny like "CAUSE CHAOS SOW DISCORD" but all her powers are for order and peace rly
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Maya thinks the fog is afraid of what Elias can do without knowing
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womp womp
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oh yeah they were talking about the weird rift at the bottom of Lake Dala but LOOKING AT THE PEARL WOULD ALSO BE FUN......
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like she thinks that in Elias's pursuit of his goals, he will do something he isn't intending at all
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yeah the whole thing with the pearl is also why taako is like "foggie is absolutely not a god" because if he trips and breaks the universe and she can't immediately fix it? NOT A GOD
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I MEAN the pearl is sealing the rift I think?
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so, foggie be cray because she keeps trying to stretch outside her role
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no the pearl is gone
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the tage got it and broke it
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i thought tage became the new pearl
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unless she's basically just like
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the pearl is gone, but tage is the new pearl. or like the new seal.
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yeah it's a new plug made of tage
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yeah
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well the tage became a seal but it's not the pearl, the pearl was like, a sentient being of a certain type
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new plug
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they go down and tage is there like oop hi
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yeah!! the pearl had thoughts
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fog went to wal-mart and bought a new drain plug after her kids put the original down the garbage disposal
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honestly taako's still mad about that entire ordeal
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taako is so valid
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all anyone had to do was put up a fucking sign!!! okay!!
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the fog went to wal-mart and turned one of the employees into a new drain plug
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HIUDGH YEAH THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT WAS, walmart plug
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HFUISDHGSDG
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there wasn't even a "keep out" or anything it was just a random hole in the middle of nowhere and a MASSIVE FUCKING GEMSTONE
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JESUS
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FDSIHUGHDG
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you know
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would that really have stopped them
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how were he and lup supposed to know lifting it would cause the apocalypse!!! like!! PUT UP A SIGN
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taako, seeing that: well that 's probably not important
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that's exactly what a Karen would do
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https://images.plurk.com/3IunV4fXxH44MRvyeHfDUW.png taako and lup like
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i mean okay "keep out" probably wouldn't have worked but honestly if he was in charge he'd have put a sign that said "if you move this the apocalypse will happen, i told you so"
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like just be real with him GOSH
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crying
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taako, man
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ryslig: just a giant game of oops we fucked around and found out how do we fix it
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FDUSGHG
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even sonic would have thought twice about touching the giant gemstone in the middle of the scary hole
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on a little side tangent luc i really admire how you are going the route of character trying to figure out all these mysteries bc with long running games some of them are just designed to always BE mysteries
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Sonic
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meanwhile he got harassed by a cult for like two weeks and every time he asked them to fuck off because he didn't have it they went "no" and when he asked foggie if she could nuke these guys already she went "no im busy"
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who has had maybe two thoughts in his entire life
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i Could Not do that, it would get way too demoralizing for me, personally, to play
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yeah!! it's a lot of fun and it like, lets me do a very IC thing for Maya but she doesn't necessarily get to win it??
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so anyway. javert had to hit them with a truck and it's fine now. regardless,
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BUT YEAH it's interesting to think about
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lsjfedddlgvefds
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I BET IT COULD BE
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javert had to hit them with a truck
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ffs
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okay but no seriously
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i'm just a weirdo and kind of enjoy the "what if" more than the real answers
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like, as long as those mysteries can't be solved, the reality could be so much bigger than what we could imagine
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javert said "im gonna get you out of there, give me 2 hours" and then two hours later he showed up with a pickup truck, ran over like 3 guys, loaded the snakes into the back and drove off
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and even when those answers are revealed it's never something i guessed HDIUHSG HAHAH
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but i think that's okay for Maya, because a lot of Ace Attorney isn't about getting it right
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it's about finding what the truth isn't and then using that to figure out things from there
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ITS JUST REALLY COOL you have a lot of gumption and you dont let it like. weigh maya down too much so you cant play her
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it is vvv fun to watch
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part of that is the nature of maya as a character thankfully,
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what i always have to keep in mind is if that Maya ever truly gives up, or sees herself as giving up, that's when it's not right anymore
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she could go through a completely dark turn, Cass from Tangled breakdown level-- but she has to believe she's doing it for the right reasons, that she's doing it because she won't give up
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also god i fucking love javert
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i do love that that was brought u p because i still have straggler threads from the broadcast/shade weeks where maya is SAD AND SHADE AND ANGY
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and hten
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mermaid maya is @ dee like wth are you talking about i'm cute as shit
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grips your hands
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it's so fun to have the characters sniff around at mysteries
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i got demoralized in my last game when my character couldn't find anything real about the worldbuilding, but that was because i was hoping for it
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here, i've got my expectations set: no, this will never be solved. so, i can put my characters on the hamster wheel and watch them go
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YES exactly
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if i was SUPPOSED to be doing well i might be demoralized
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but there's no way to win, so i'm not losing, i guess?
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it's just fun to see what they do! what conclusions they draw~
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yeah!! and like... where that brings them
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cos there's so many outcomes,
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also because sometimes not even the mods know,
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play to see what happens
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yeah exactly!!
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it's all new and growing as it goes
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and like, idk
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i don't know that i would be able to sustain acharacter this long with mysteries that could be solved
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having mysteries that can't allows maya space to grow more, and to challengethings she refuses to deal with
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oh right i still gotta
cash for water breathin,
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PLURK LOAD THINGS SO I DONT VEER OFF TOPIC CHALLENGE?!?!
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NO IT'S FINE
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plurk exist to make me suffer.... ah...
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