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[encanto] Having more and more feelings the more I think about it
Spooky Action
I had a lot of feelings when I watched it
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Yeah. There are SO MANY.
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(Say on? or did you have a plurk for it? )
Spooky Action
( I did not)
Spooky Action
I had a mix of warm fuzzy feelings and finding parts of it really weird.
plurkishdelight
i just rewatched it with a friend and GOD
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its so good and mirabel gives me so many feels
plurkishdelight
(also luisa's song remains the most relatable song ever)
ranoutofjello
is it like Inside Out good?
ranoutofjello
(i really liked that one)
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I'd say yeah.
ranoutofjello
i might hunt it down on disney+ if they have it then
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Couldn't imagine they don't have it -- the songs were doing REALLY well on the charts or however that works.
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I legit can't figure out which character gives me the most feels. So many of them do for different reasons.
ready seth NO
I cannot escape We Don't Talk About Bruno
ready seth NO
there are like three channels on Sirius that are in my pre-sets in my car that will play it at random
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(haha)
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It's ridiculously catchy.
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I kind of went down an Encanto song reactions wormhole the other day just because peoples' experiences of them are so much fun
Kesomon
Oh I got sucked down that wormhole too. My favorites are rappers reacting to it. One guy legit cried.
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Ha, I might've seen that one! Several people cried with Surface Pressure too (very understandably).
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I love when musical people talk about what pieces of the music are doing, like how some of the patterns in Surface Pressure break off and make the melody feel unsupported.
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(which also, AAAAUGH ;; )
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Or point out little things in the background.
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...........Also
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someone was really hyped by Luisa's strength and said they wanted her to be their workout buddy
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but instead of "workout buddy"
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they said "swolemate
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"
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and that's now my new favorite word (haha)
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/WHEEEZE
someone watching the songs with no other context was wondering if the house is magic or if it's haunted by "The Bruno"
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THE ANSWER IS YES, BUD
Tanks4theMemory
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Tanks4theMemory
And yes there's so much awesome stuff in Encanto and so many feelings.
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exactly :-D:-D:-D
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Falling asleep but I'm just gonna, like first of all, Abuela seeing Mirabel as a combination of her own powerless self and one of the descendants whose management is the only way she's able to contribute to the community,,,,,,
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(and also that while Abuelo Pedro is the only one we see fall to the violence, everyone in the community lost their homes and lives and every third-generation child in the encanto has grandparents and maybe even parents who experienced that trauma firsthand)
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(they had to rebuild from whatever they were carrying and now they have textiles, ceramics, glassblowing, masonry, wow)
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(probably metalworking too)
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(a whole host of mini-industries would have had to spring up REAL fast)
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(and this might be the first generation where working hard all the time might not be a community-wide necessity just to keep things running, and that doesn't go away easily)
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anyway gnight<3
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OK TIME FOR MORE OF THIS
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it's said somewhere or other that the individual is a microcosm of their family, which is a microcosm of their community, which is a microcosm of their polity, which is a microcosm of the world
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the metacontext is the powerhouse of the soul?
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so here's the thing: culture is an expression of the understandings between people
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what's valued, what's protected, what's feared, what's loved, what do those even mean
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this tiny, isolated community was able to maintain and celebrate their culture over all those decades of rebuilding, and that? is something that doesn't happen by itself.
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It takes the whole web of memories, contexts, concepts, and agreements that xyz is something they want and are willing to actively maintain. If there are imbalances, the water sloshes around until it equilibriates, but unlike water molecules, humans can manage equilibriation in ways that are caring and compassionate and meet one anothers' needs.
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(Or not, when there are blind spots or systemic evils, but that's another digression.)
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Point is, the encanto as seen in the movie has begun to grow from survival mode into a state of flourishing abundance because (there must be sociology terms for this, but I don't know 'em) it started with at least the lowest number of people necessary to outcompete survival mode and push it this far.
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This is why humans are communal; shared labor produces more benefit than the sum of each individual's labor.
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Culturally, there are things communities do to maximize survival and things they do to strengthen communal bonding (and again, probably more, but idk): to create a shared identity which is, itself, a crafted thing of great utility to those who share it.
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And because it's beneficial, individuals are willing to participate in it.
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Which is exactly what a family group does also: creates a set of shared understandings of how the world works and what we do to be in it.
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The trouble arises when the community's goal changes from incorporating and benefiting its individuals to maintaining itself as an unchanging concept. Once resistance to adaption sets in, it ceases to be participatory and supportive, and is instead restrictive and punitive.
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And at that point, individuals are back in survival mode, because they have to actively earn inclusion.
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We don't see cracks in the community from our Madrigal-centric perspective, but the entire movie is about the family-level version of this.
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(Next in-this-essay-I-won't digression is how it gets even more complicated when multiple cultures have to coexist.)
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It becomes more important to maintain "the miracle," a thing they have, than to use that thing to bond with and maintain each other.
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Abuela Alma can't admit there's a problem because there's no backup plan for the "miracle" identity. It's a survival adaptation in the process of becoming maladaptive because it can't be adjusted to include anomalies.
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We survived because the miracle, but the miracle feels too fragile to expose to more adversity.
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"We can't lose our home again."
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Risky, imperfect things must be encapsulated and encysted away in the nursery where they don't mar the family's image of itself.
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She thought she'd have a different life. When it was destroyed, she built a new one -- but she built it for survival with no consciousness that survival would one day have to adapt into abundance. The miraculous Madrigals are the ones who maintain survival. No one can rest.
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Each family member wants to share beneficial connections with each other, but if the family identity is relentless self-sacrifice and outwardly-directed service, then its inverse
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identidon't?
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is directing support and compassion inwards and allowing its individual members to have their own needs met.
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It feels significant that in Alma's life leading up to the displacement, we only see her as a member of her community and as a member of a two-person family. Nothing from outside the encanto survived for her; no one from inside became family to her until her daughters married.
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With the refugees' communal values, she wouldn't have been sitting on the floor alone with her triplets all the time, but the lesson she learned at the river was that family = sacrifice.
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And the bigger the sacrifice, the bigger the miracle.
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If she'd been alone, she might have reached outward to create more family to burn for, but her triplets already had a claim.
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And so family became do-for-those-who-can't.
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But when they all received their gifts, they could (tHEY WERE FIVE YEARS OLD but when someone's locked in their trauma, time becomes weird and life stages lose meaning), so they had to be directed outward because she couldn't bear being sacrificed for again.
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And the irony was that this doesn't work.
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What the triplets learned was that it's their responsibility to preserve the family image in which their mother is okay.
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She was not okay.
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The image of the miraculous Madrigals became her image of family; her role in the family was to wield it for the benefit of others and not lose it again. But to her children, she was the miracle.
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It's frightening when you're small and dependent and the one you depend on isn't okay. Kids are learning that they can affect their environment but aren't ready to not have someone safe to turn to, so they think they're not helping enough when the adult in the room isn't okay.
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And as kids will, they took up roles corresponding to parts of their miracle: Julieta the Encouraging Caretaker, Bruno the Anxiety Comedian, and Pepa the Strong Emotions We Need To Wrangle For The Good Of The Family.
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..Encouraging Caretaker isn't quite right but Healer feels like only part of Julieta's role.... (thinking)
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......oh there it is.
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She's The Good One. The loving, caring mother Alma wanted to be. (tears)
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But she could be that person because she's not alone.
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As much as Alma was hurting, she did provide for and care for her children, and they had each other growing up, and then Julieta had Augustine.
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Alma wouldn't bring in an extra emotional support human for herself, but did manage to let her kids do so.
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There's a lot more to say about the Alma-to-triplets part of the family culture, but there's already a huge amount of analysis on the interwebs and I want to get to the grandkids someday.
Tanks4theMemory
Because it's relevant:
Therapist Reacts to ENCANTO
Ptriciadactyl
so, I probably would not have used it as my Luisa username even if I'd seen it before making a journal, but I want someone to have a Luisa journal with the username swolemate
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Tanks4theMemory Aaa, cinematherapy! They
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're always good! ^^
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/clicks
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Ptriciadactyl Ikr? Somebody really should.
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Luisa is such a mood, always.<3
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I just need to point out for a moment that Bruno was very unfairly blamed for the Pepa's-wedding incident
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obviously it wasn't Bruno at all
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it was Hernando
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because he is afraid of NOTHIIING!!
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dear sequel, plz take full advantage of both Bruno and Camillo inheriting the ACTIIIING gene
TRON
Pfffffft
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:-D:-D:-D
Tanks4theMemory
Yeah, Bruno and Camillo are both different flavors of Theater Kid. X3
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Absolutely
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Probably one reason Camillo remembers him better than Mirabel, though they're almost the same age
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(also, for Mirabel, Bruno's disappearance would have been just part of the trauma of what she went through at and after her gift ceremony)
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I like that though Camillo's gift is useful for Shenanigans, both he and Bruno would have been shenaniganing with or without gifts.
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And Camillo got a double dose because Felix is a third kind of Theater Kid. :-P
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Pepa is too, but having to manage her gift has made it hard to let herself be spontaneous.
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She's aware, and is constantly reminded, that her mood is literally always physically affecting everyone else and also herself. Felix must have been such a breath of fresh air because he isn't afraid of her and doesn't care how she affects the family image; he just wants her to be happy because she deserves it.
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(I wonder how hard she had to work to get "angry" down to a tiny cloud instead of raining all over the valley)
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(she seems to do catastrophizing as a whirlwind, ruminating as thunder, and... joy? relief? as a rainbow)
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I love SO MUCH that she gets to dance in hail at the end. She's finally allowed to feel complex things without sliding into a doomspiral about what her feelings will do to others.
Tanks4theMemory
Yes. :3
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The back-and-forth between them is so well done.
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It really is.
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She's safe being more expressive with him because he pulls her back into herself, and he just totally adores her at all times.
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And she sets boundaries when he gets too hype about reframing everything the happy way, and he adjusts ("why did he tell us?") so he affirms what she was feeling while still having his own joy about what the day meant to him.
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(and then goes "but ANYWAY", redirecting back to her, and they just work so well ;; )
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And I'm pretty sure they're why Dolores manages her own gift so well. She grew up with a really good model of people having different feelings and needs but communicating and adjusting with one another.
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She's able to hear EVERYTHING but it doesn't bury her own experience of herself.
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And I think it's telling that what she values most is caring and expressiveness.
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/nods :3
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Also, things I've learned from way too many Encanto reaction videos: the umbrellas are the Colombian flag. ^^
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(Ooh, just noticed goldfish lady is there on the right! Brb headcanoning that she and Pepa are friends.)
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why yes I am freezeframing the songs just to chinhands at details
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(DOLORES'S VOICE AAAAAAA)
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(I still can't figure out where those wooden boxes came from clearly someone stole them from Hamilton's prop room)
Tanks4theMemory
Look, Casita can randomly move stuff around, and I'm sure it'd be happy to assist in a musical number.
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..............(haha) BEST ANSWER<3
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Headcanon accepted immediately!
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this unimpressed face
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the delightful physics of the glasses pausing at the top of their arc
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look at these nerds. it's about time Bruno took his rightful place in this mess instead of probably watching from behind the wall RIGHT NOW ;a; )
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/WAILS (tears)
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LET HER BE HAPPY
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she's thinking the next "we don't talk about" song will be about her and it's unbearable
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Also, did you notice how at the end of the song, both Isabella and Dolores are singing "I'm fine/I'll be fine" when they're both... really not?
Tanks4theMemory
It can be a bit hard to hear with the overlapping lines, but the lyric video makes it easier.
We Don't Talk About Bruno (From "Encanto"/Lyric Vide...
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Clearly I have missed things and I need to see this again
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People saying they're fine when they're really not is such a theme in this movie.
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Tanks4theMemory I hadn't caught it, but it fits perfectly. It was Abuela's survival mechanism when she had no one to turn to, and it morphed into everyone having to always be okay or no one would be okay.
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(important survival adaptation turning maladaptive after circumstances had changed CHECK)
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The cracks first appeared when Mirabel admitted that she wasn't fine and was wishing so hard that her family could accept the truth of both her strengths and vulnerabilities. (Actually, they probably first appeared when Bruno left his tower, but didn't get as far as they would later because he was still trying to be fine with living in the walls.)
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But nobody was fine. Everyone's doors flickered. Everyone had been so isolated with their private vulnerabilities until Mirabel confronted Luisa.
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"eVERYTHING'S FINE I'M TOTALLY NOT NERVOUS"
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I have MANY EMOTIONS about how most of the time she was carrying it all, it was the structures around her, the things she should have been able to depend on, that were falling apart!
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And with the whole betrothal situation coming up, Isabela and Dolores were both approaching their own breaking points.
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Still trying to be fine but unable to find a way forward where that would be true.
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And Abuela's striding through it all going THERE IS NO WAR IN BA SING SE and poor Pepa is stuck being the publicly visible poster child for "stop being not fine or it affects us all!"
Tanks4theMemory
YEP.
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Btw I'm gonna need you all to contemplate the mental image of Isabela one day before her gift ceremony, upside down in a tree with a missing tooth and covered in dirt because she'd been digging up the garden. c:
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This is an image I'm happy to contemplate.
TRON
Awwww! Yes!
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