papermint tiger
[destruction of a town? graveyards] idk what to call this exactly but. More people should know about this
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papermint tiger
i never knew about this before, mind you
papermint tiger
but dang
papermint tiger
that's just. Awful.
Pen Again
idk how wales is at all still part of the UK. with the way the UK has historically treated them, I am just... it's so awful in such a personal, and universally heartbreaking way. like the welsh town that lost most of its children and a lot of its residents to the landslide brought on by English mining
papermint tiger
yeah, it's beyond disgusting
Teeff
Aberfan is a disaster we never ever forget
papermint tiger
i can only imagine that they can't find the support to break away, and i imagine that England won't let them remain unbothered regardless
Teeff
there's a looooooooot of upset sentiment towards England
Teeff
if Scotland manages it, Wales will likely find a way to follow suit
papermint tiger
god i hope you both break away
papermint tiger
also this is about Capel Celyn in the Tryweryn valley, Aberfan is only mentioned breifly
papermint tiger
so many fucking tragedies and horrible things
Pen Again
during Brexit, didn't Scotland and Wales almost go together?
Pen Again
I wish they had
Teeff
yeah we voted very much the same to stay in the EU
Teeff
Scotland and Wales often vote extremely closely because we are both FUCK ENGLAND
papermint tiger
which is the only sensible move at this point imo, Brexit is such a bad idea on so many levels
papermint tiger
form a unified country despite the landmass between you! sort of like Alaska and the US
Teeff
Capel Celyn isn't too far from where I live, I've been there
Teeff
it....gets worse than that story
papermint tiger
oh no
Teeff
we had a massive drought in....god I think it was the 90s where the village became visible again
Teeff
so they covered the graveyard in cement
Pen Again
oh god
Teeff
like THE ENTIRE THING
Teeff
the Aberfan was....real bad too. because the (English) coal board didn't want to pay compensation for, you know, the LITERAL 116 CHILDREN KILLED they made grieving parents go to tribunals to see how "close" they were to their children
Teeff
to see if they deserved compensation for their dead child
Teeff
and it came out not too long ago that the surviours (what few there were) were subjected to pretty awful medical tests to see how "traumatised" they were to see if THEY deserved compensation
papermint tiger
WHAT
papermint tiger
THE FUCK
Teeff
There's an article on it obviously be cautious because it's about...you know, torturing fucking children
papermint tiger
for only 500 pounds, what the FUCK
Teeff
Y U P
papermint tiger
i know it was worth more back then but fuck that you cheap bastards, pay them the fucking money
papermint tiger
It does sound as if, on all sides, there may have been insensitivities and very poor behaviour you fucking COW
Teeff
very little, if anything, was ever paid out and the coal board never took actual responsibility
papermint tiger
jegus that's just. What the fuck
Teeff
and remember this wasn't like A HUNDRED YEARS AGO- there are still surviours alive today only in their 60s
Teeff
the Aberfan disaster is taught to us very early on- in school. because we are just never forget THIS treatment
papermint tiger
i have no words
Exacerangutan
.............and because this is how my brain works, I can't stop noticing the irony that (as far as I can tell from what I'm reading) the Welsh form of "Tryweryn" is apparently "Dryweryn"...
Exacerangutan
but yeah it's not for nothing that there's often a pretty dark view of England and the UK as a political body in Wales
Teeff
Yee that's the Welsh form
Teeff
And yup, reasons why I instantly scowl at anyone who uses "UK" and "England " interchangeably
Teeff
we don't like that
Exacerangutan
rofl yeah I would think
Exacerangutan
(I thought it might be, but I wasn't sure if it could be a grammatical thing in Welsh, too, since the main thing I know about Welsh from a linguistic standpoint is "Welsh Does Things Its Own Way")
Exacerangutan
...I mean from a national political standpoint, a big part of the problem is how accurate it is to equate England with the UK, but I can't imagine that makes it any less aggravating.
Teeff
It does! And it differs between North and South by a wiiiiide margin. To make it extra fun
papermint tiger
Dark irony for you, i suppose
Exacerangutan
A friend of mine actually learned some Gaelic and I think a little bit of Welsh, but I taught myself just enough Gaelic to realize how bad it would mess with my head and left well enough alone XD
Exacerangutan
papermint tiger : yeah gallows humor comes pretty naturally to me, this is true...
Exacerangutan
probably a depression coping mechanism tbh, "let's see if I can find a way to laugh at how awful everything is and definitely always will be forever"
papermint tiger
Dark humor is a great coping strategy
Pen Again
Teeff : I apologize for any misuse of UK though I admit I seem to recall in american school it being impressed upon us "it's not england, it's the UK"
Exacerangutan
tbf American schools and media in general typically aren't... great about explaining how anything anywhere else in the world actually works
Exacerangutan
at least not before the college level, and it's still pretty hit-or-miss
Exacerangutan
I think in undergrad I was still being taught that Columbus was, whatever his other faults, an insightful navigator who knew something others didn't. >_>
Exacerangutan
(I also regularly got confused about England vs UK until watching a very good history video that broke it down... and I still have some confusion about where "Britain"/"Great Britain" fits into it)
Pen Again
Britain just means Land of the Britons, via the Romans. To my understanding, it's more a geographical term referring to the island? And the Kingdom of Great Britain came into being when the union between England (and Wales) and Scotland began, iirc
Pen Again
But the name Britain originates from the Romans, I believe.
Exacerangutan
^ sounds right based on the history I know, at least
Pen Again
Wiki tells me the Great was to differentiate it from Brittany which had a similar name in French, which is very probably true but it's not a piece of trivia I think I've encountered
Pen Again
when there is a whole wiki article on the terminology of the British Isles, I think we should be somewhat forgiven for being unsure which we are supposed to call it exactly
Pen Again
https://images.plurk.com/3p8X1VUipu20ufjO6JWl6W.png
Pen Again
Exacerangutan
Hrm... yeah it seems to have a Brittonic root, at least
Exacerangutan
oh huh I didn't know it's called "Prydain" in Welsh, that definitely seems to support it
papermint tiger
yeah it took me ages to separate out England as a country from the UK as a whole, i think some other UK-non-English people had to just patiently beat it into my head lmao
Pen Again
well, the UK is kind of a weird concept. Many countries (not states!) under one ruler, but it's not an empire, at least they're not calling it that.
papermint tiger
it is a strange thing
Exacerangutan
...yeah I suspect a lot of that is that "empire" acquired a pretty bad reputation by the mid-20th century, but the UK wasn't powerful enough to be confident not caring what anyone else thought anymore
Pen Again
I think it may also have to do with the level of governmental power
Pen Again
but undoubtedly yeah, it's that walking around going "empire" was very no bueno post WWI, WWII, various communist revolutions, etc
Exacerangutan
I suspect having to give up India was a pretty big turning point in that, but I haven't read up on it in a while (thinking)
Teeff
You're all good! I meant ot on general! And yeah, we see it around a loooot
Teeff
And yeee none of us call it an empire anymore
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