LOVE☆STRUCK
[tiktok; bdsm related but admonishing rude kinksters more than talking about kink itself]
LOVE☆STRUCK
So there is this very nice video of a very nice dude being like "hey don't be rude, not everyone is educated about Bdsm stuff, also here is an explanation"

Because this one chick responded to a question of "where did you get your choker?" with this really rude toned video going "first of all, it's not a choker it's a collar"
LOVE☆STRUCK
And the nice person who responded to them had some great information but I'm just so stuck on OP acting so high and mighty because
LOVE☆STRUCK
The collar is a choker
fish deranged
squints
LOVE☆STRUCK
Like you're acting high and mighty but don't seem to realize that what makes the collar isn't the piece of jewelry it is
fish deranged
bruh that's a really common fashion statement, if someone isn't ass deep in kink they aren't going to jump to the conclusion FIRST THING that it's a lifestyle collar
LOVE☆STRUCK
You can have a ring, on someone's finger, act as a stealth collar
LOVE☆STRUCK
Collaring is the ACT not the choker
fish deranged
... luc i know this is not what you mean but the galaxy brain take of 'all wedding ceremonies are just normie collaring' is REALLY funny
moontouched
well they do bind people together
LOVE☆STRUCK
YEAH THAT TOO LIKE. TO EVERY- TELL ME IT ISN'T TRUE
moontouched
fish deranged
NO IT'S TRUE IT'S JUST FUNNY
fish deranged
me @ a person posting their wedding pictures like ew dont involve me in your kink without my consent
LOVE☆STRUCK
Like if I as a dom wear a literal dog collar because I put it on myself it is not a Collar
But if I put a dainty necklace on a sub with the intent of it being a Bdsm Collar it is more a collar than the literal dog collar is
fish deranged
(i am joking obviously wearing a collar in public is really low key and fine)
LOVE☆STRUCK
One is a fashion statement one is a dynamics statement
LOVE☆STRUCK
LMFAO
LOVE☆STRUCK
Yeah especially nowadays like
Goths wear collars all the time and no one assumes Every Goth is someone's sub
fish deranged
right like. you can buy one for like five bucks at a hot topic
fish deranged
or at least you could when I bought my first spiky collar
LOVE☆STRUCK
Right. I still keep looking at their Josuke jojos collar cos it's baller af
fish deranged
it's very like... assuming everyone has the exact same knowledge base that you do, which is a thing that will always get under my skin
fish deranged
someone unfamiliar with bdsm is not going to know what the fuck you mean when you say it's not a choker, it's a collar
fish deranged
they'll be like yeah that's the same thing and not what i asked
LOVE☆STRUCK
Right
Especially with kink, which is KNOWN to be obscure because of the KNOWN almost universal lack of sex education like fucking everywhere
fish deranged
yeah and also like. it's very personal
fish deranged
there are some wider Accepted Social Norms but kink isn't a monolith
fish deranged
so even people who do know about bits of it won't know everything
LOVE☆STRUCK
Right?? In addition to that point the subtlety is a selling point for some
And I`m QV
Also like, forgive me if this is off topic or rude but man if I told someone “hey nice necklace” and they went “actually it’s a sex thing for me” I would instantly want to exit the conversation
LOVE☆STRUCK
They LIKE that not everyone will associate a choker with Collaring so they can wear one stealthily
corpse bride
sits in here
ɱε૨ℓσƭ
ya'll is this the sex things plurk in here?!
fish deranged
yeah like if i see someone wearing a choker my first thought is Fashion and not Subculture Wedding Ring
corpse bride
like, i don't know shit about the nuances of kink culture, but it always toasts my buns when someone comes into the conversation in the spirit of good faith and learning and someone has to "WELL AKCHUALLY" to them
corpse bride
also, yeah, i thought the point was to be stealthy for most of those items because... it's very much an underground subculture and that's how you get away with not informing the normies?
fish deranged
and also it's a courtesy thing like qv said
fish deranged
like collaring isn't inherently A Sex Thing
fish deranged
but people are sure going to associate it with that
corpse bride
fish deranged : also, thank you for that comment about the wedding rings, i'm rolling now
A healer (but-)
normie collaring BABE IM
𓄤𓆑𓂋𓅱𓏭𓄖𓎡𓏭
HONESTLY SAME
fish deranged
OKAY BUT IT'S TRUE
fish deranged
IT'S TRUE
corpse bride
YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT
And I`m QV
Yeah sorry I know it’s not necessarily but like the whole submission subculture thing is a thing I have squick surrounding and while I try not to be rude about it like,
And I`m QV
Again, if I showed up like “oh hi I’m complimenting what Ithink is a fashion statement” and someone went “actually it’s a sign of submission to my Dom/me” that’s more than I want to know
corpse bride
I'm pretty open-minded about a lot of stuff, too, but honestly, that would be more than I would like to know, as well
corpse bride
like, unless we are super tight and talk about this kinda stuff on the daily, i probably don't wanna hear about it from some random stranger on the street
fish deranged
yeah
And I`m QV
I don’t know if that’s like regressive or kink negative of me but it makes me uneasy, just like, dumping that on a rando who’s just trying to say your jewelry is nice
fish deranged
like it's NOT a squick for me but being overshared at about the private shit of a stranger absolutely is
corpse bride
it's just a situation of over-sharing... YEAH
fish deranged
like that's great for you but I do not need to know about it
fish deranged
naw QV it's just. you don't wanna know abou the private romantic life of someone you don't fucking know
fish deranged
that's pretty normal
And I`m QV
Yeah okay thanks for the reassurance because like I genuinely have no idea, after being told at length about the sex lives of Many People (like the OP of that video about her choker) without my consent I don’t know what normal boundaries are with kink
fish deranged
with good kink the boundaries are 'keep it to kink spaces and don't involve people without their consent' but man some people get weird about it
fish deranged
i do get the frustration when it's like... a collar is basically like a wedding ring and nobody gets weird about seeing a wedding ring in public
corpse bride
like, honestly, the whole "don't talk about certain topics without the other party's consent" should be applied to a lot of things
fish deranged
but that's why a collar is stealthy
And I`m QV
Yeah like it was Explained At Me as “if you don’t want to hear about it that’s like not wanting to hear my partner is the same sex, it’s kinkphobic” and I was like “okay” and then I met like, you, a normal human with normal human boundaries
𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙯𝙤
^^^
corpse bride
like when people feel the need to just casually drop some extremely heavy personal trauma into conversations without any kinda head's up about it
𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙯𝙤
for the consent thing, not the ~it's phobic~ thing
corpse bride
and it's like "dude, this is not the time or place for that kinda oversharing"
fish deranged
like... them telling you their partner is same sex doesn't tell you anything about their private bedroom life, is the thing
And I`m QV
Yeah exactly and like technically neither does a collar I guess?? but it implies more that I don’t want to know about
fish deranged
whereas bringing kink into the discussion pretty much automatically does, and even if they are doing that kink in a nonsexual way, it's still telling you about something intimate and private that you don't want to hear about
corpse bride
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, Key and Peele did a really cool skit about this topic
And I`m QV
Okay yeah thanks, sorry for the derail I just wanted to check if I was being reasonable in my reaction to the collaring thing
corpse bride
where the gay guy is just casually talking about his sexual exploits to his coworker and accuses him of being homophobic for being wigged out about it... but the punchline is that his coworker is gay, too, and just doesn't wanna hear about his coworker's personal sex life
corpse bride
WHICH IS VALID WHEN YOU BARELY KNOW THE PERSON AND DIDN'T ASK FOR IT AND ARE IN A PUBLIC SETTING
LOVE☆STRUCK
Sorry I got distracted but in addition to what QV said she wasn't just replying to a stranger on the street either, a whole ass stranger on God's green internet
fish deranged
like. i guess the only way that response would make sense is if her whole... channel??? idk what they are on tiktok
fish deranged
is explicitly kink-focused
fish deranged
and that's like. her thing
LOVE☆STRUCK
Also how hard is it to say "thanks I got it at Spencer's" or "thanks but I got it from an adult site so I can only share the source in a comment or DM"
fish deranged
so she would expect people commenting to Know
fish deranged
but even then that's a shitty response
LOVE☆STRUCK
It's super just her personal
Tho that doesn't mean it's not kink oriented

Still, the way the algorithm works, non-kink people are still gonna see her not-obviously-or-tagged-kink vids
fish deranged
wheezes brokenly
fish deranged
i hate how social media is basically designed to be impossible to curate now
fish deranged
and that's like... purposeful
fish deranged
so they can shove shit at you
LOVE☆STRUCK
Absolutely
fish deranged
plurk is literally the only place that doesn't exist, even tumblr is doing it now a little bit
LOVE☆STRUCK
But as much as I try to point out that these sites are purposely not providing adults with the tools to keep adult topics under wraps people say that I don't care about protecting kids or am the devil or whatever
triska
i do love that the tumblr community keeps aggressively pushing back against all of tumbler official monetization attempts
triska
and even codes shit to undo site layout changes etc
fish deranged
yeah the people using tumblr really don't want to let tumblr be profitable
LOVE☆STRUCK
Right. God
fish deranged
eventually it's gonna die because of that and it'll be a Just death
fish deranged
in fairness like I get ads for german hearing aids and foot fungus cures on tumblr so they clearly don't know what the fuck they are doing
fish deranged
but yeah no Luc it's like... people think the onus is on adults to just not make 'bad' content and it's like
triska
THATS WHY I LOVE TUMBLR AND PLURK ADS TBH
fish deranged
that's never how this has worked
triska
they have no fuckin idea
LOVE☆STRUCK
Very much deserved
fish deranged
sites are making it so that kids can find it easily and even if you tag and warn shit slips through
fish deranged
and now they're doing this thing where even if you purposefully DON'T tag (so your like, idk, ducktales porn doesn't wind up in the main ducktales tag) if you say 'ducktales' in your post the site will pick that up and put it in there ANYWAY
fish deranged
and it's like why even bother trying to be responsible when it's being made impossible on purpose so the algorithm can Feed
And I`m QV
Literally all the tools we had for blacklisting shit we don't want ot see are being taken away from us piece by piece on every social media site
LOVE☆STRUCK
It's literally never how this worked and I hate that the only people who are allowed to "work through trauma" are people who specifically do it in non-sexual, palettable-to-WASPS ways
fish deranged
and then only if their trauma is sufficiently traumatic enough and related to the content they're making
LOVE☆STRUCK
Let people create AND protect their fiction
fish deranged
i wrote a lot of really dark shit in high school that had NOTHING to do with the trauma i was enduring unless you squinted
fish deranged
but it still helped me
LOVE☆STRUCK
And no proxy trauma or traumas derived from watching others experiences!!!
triska
ink - big same
fish deranged
but to hear these people tell it if i wasn't writing an exact one to one of my situation i was doing trauma wrong
triska
i wrote about a lot of fucked shit but not what i, specifically, was going through
LOVE☆STRUCK
Only your OWN PERSONAL PROVABLE TRAUMAS which you must also broadcast no privacy allowed
fish deranged
that's how fiction WORKS
fish deranged
YODELS,
fish deranged
it's a proxy! it's not real!
And I`m QV
Yeah and like at the same time I feel like there's a lot of people who have been walking unprepared directly into extremely dark or triggering content because of the algorithm like Ink said with the ducktales porn thing but worse so like
And I`m QV
this hurts everybody
fish deranged
absolutely
And I`m QV
I'm not saynig those people are then justified in harassing anybody for the record but like
fish deranged
there's that subset of 'good' people who will post really graphic shit completely out in the open like YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS AND BE AWARE AND BE UPSET
And I`m QV
This Hurts Everybody
fish deranged
and it's like oh buddy you are doing the exact opposite of being a good person idk how to break this to you
fish deranged
'i don't need to tag this because people need to see it' is absolutely an argument people make about really upsetting shit and it's like
And I`m QV
Oh yeah I've seen that with full on like, Shadman-tier lolicon horseshit and it's ruined my day multiple times
fish deranged
i don't think you actually care about the safety of other people then, chadley
And I`m QV
You just wanna feed on the outrage
fish deranged
i think you care about looking more woke than everybody else on your twitter feed
Tallorance
I'm late but people seem to think if their trauma etc is "artistic" that it doesn't matter if it triggers someone else's and it drives me nuts
fish deranged
honestly this is a very hot take but the people who are like THIS IS ABOUT MY TRAUMA AND ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRAUMA CAN MAKE DARK ART tend to be the shittiest about actually tagging/warning/caring about the needs of others
fish deranged
and the people who are just like 'this is my gross murderer oc grossly murdering someone' always tag and warn and are chill as hell
Tallorance
I'm all for exploring trauma through art in all its forms but it costs nothing to tag and warm for shit
fish deranged
they could BOTH be making art rooted in trauma/working through something but the people who feel the need to beat you over the head with it tend to be much, much harder to deal with
And I`m QV
Oh absolutely like
And I`m QV
Not to at anyone but the person I've interacted with recently who Would Not Stop Talking About How They Were Working Through Their Trauma with their fanfic was the one who jumped me out of nowhere with their Frozen incest AU and cried when I told them I didn't want to read it
And I`m QV
There's this sort of attitude that this is important to me and my recovery therefore everyone has to look direcctly at it and clap
fish deranged
yeah
fish deranged
and like. if something is important and meaningful to you I get wanting to share it and be validated
fish deranged
but perhaps make sure you are sharing it with people who actually are okay with seeing it
fish deranged
i made the misstep of letting a friend read my VERY gross very graphic fic in high school and it was a bad, bad decision
fish deranged
i did not warn her what was in it because I was a dumbass child
fish deranged
I regret it a lot
And I`m QV
Yeah and like when I was younger I've launched into discussions of some tropes and other bullshit I really liked that turned out to be huge triggers or squicks for the friend I was talking to and I'm pretty sure they never looked at me the same way but like here's the thing
And I`m QV
that's their right
And I`m QV
My actions had consequences!! I can't demand they not think of me differently after I fucked up like that
And I`m QV
and it doesn't make them sex negative or kinkphobic or whatever you wanna call not liking those specific tropes it just means I should've been better about warning for stuff and I didn't because I was like 16 and a dumbass
𓄤𓆑𓂋𓅱𓏭𓄖𓎡𓏭
i mean we were all dumbasses at 16
𓄤𓆑𓂋𓅱𓏭𓄖𓎡𓏭
so: i feel u, i'm just lucky that in 2006 every thought I had didn't go on twitter forever
𓄤𓆑𓂋𓅱𓏭𓄖𓎡𓏭
setting boundaries is good. it's good for you, it's good for the people around you
LOVE☆STRUCK
It doesn't cost anything to tag shit but it DOES cost a lot that not only are tags not encouraged by most community circles but also the sites themselves the tags mean virtually nothing as Ink has described
𓄤𓆑𓂋𓅱𓏭𓄖𓎡𓏭
you don't always know where your line is until it's crossed, and that's okay, as long as you, like, do your best to learn from it and communicate it better in the future
LOVE☆STRUCK
More people WOULD know where the boundaries are if those boundaries were enforced and encouraged by both the communities and the websites themselves too
Like I can write as many content warnings in a Twitter post as I want but there's two caveats to that
LOVE☆STRUCK
One: every new word I add to an image makes it less likely to hit any audience let alone its target audience
Two: I am not given the option to purposely, when I choose to, mark my images as being sensitive content
fish deranged
also there's no moderation
fish deranged
that's a HUGE thing we lost when fandom moved to spaces like twitter
LOVE☆STRUCK
Yup
fish deranged
back in ye olde days there were groups and they had moderators and that didn't mean those moderators were always GOOD but you usually had a direct line to someone who was curating the space
fish deranged
big social media sites do not have that
fish deranged
nobody is being moderated by anybody but their peers
And I`m QV
Yeah like as much as I love the full anarchy mode of AO3 it is kind of a problem when you get deliberate troll fics posting violent gore and shock images in the transgender headcanon tag or whatever
fish deranged
yeah
And I`m QV
So it kind of encourages a cowboy cop mentality that's ultimately been harmful to literally everyone
fish deranged
Ao3 is meant to be an archive, not an active social space, so it's DOUBLY frustrating when people use it like that
LOVE☆STRUCK
Like even when people WANT to keep these things sequestered they aren't being given the option
And I am fortunate enough that in the circles I run in, I've encountered way more people who are frustrated with the inability to keep others safe than are frustrated with their inability to impose their kinks on everyone, tbh
fish deranged
the whole mission of ao3 is that it's supposed to be properly tagged. that's like. the core goal lmao
LOVE☆STRUCK
And then in turn I've also encountered way more people being shamed for posting their work to their own spaces than I have of the aforementioned, too
So it really is EVERYONE that is affected
And I`m QV
Yeah and like I'm very sorry if I've come across as like, shamey, I've just had the reverse experience where I've had a lot of people shove their kinks at me or my peers and then start hollering when anyone tried to enforce a boundary so like I promise I'm not trying to bothsides anyone but
LOVE☆STRUCK
Like if we have the correctly regulated spaces then the only people that can get mad they saw content they didn't want to see are people who went looking for things they didn't want to see
And I`m QV
It really is that This Harms Everyone
corpse bride
hot take, but i KNEW as soon as the Tumblr folks started migrating to AO3 and clogging up the tag system with Tumblr type conversation tags, it was all over
LOVE☆STRUCK
No I get it, I appear to be in the minority of experiences but I've always had a tightly curated interaction with the adult/sexual/kink community
fish deranged
Yeah I was gonna say
corpse bride
tags only work when people use them properly and consistently!
LOVE☆STRUCK
My experiences are not universal, etc
fish deranged
the reason I have had the opposite experience is because I have a very poewrful zero tolerance policy and also much fewer squicks than you, QV
fish deranged
that doesn't make you wrong
fish deranged
it makes me a person who doesn't have a twitter lmao
LOVE☆STRUCK
I have soooo few squicks, too, tbf
fish deranged
like. I have a tumblr where I follow maybe 90 people, and this plurk, where I follow a little over 100
fish deranged
and that's it
fish deranged
and that's why I don't see shit unless other people in my space bring it in front of me, like this plurk
LOVE☆STRUCK
The particular audlt communities I was able to trust most (I. E. Frolicon) were all Highly Consent Oriented as well so like. I got the benefit of joining communities that were regulated properly long before I got there
fish deranged
because I refuse to see it
LOVE☆STRUCK
Tiktok is I think the worst of it on all sides
And I`m QV
Yeah like I used to be a community manager on a furry porn board so it was Literally My Job to show up when people started imposing their kinks on others so like
And I`m QV
It may be a bit of an inspector javert situation where I'm just used to seeing the worst of the worst fucking constantly so I suspect everybody of bullshit
LOVE☆STRUCK
You've got untagged kink on one side and then on the other hside you have 13yos showing off garters and asking if they have fuck me eyes and there is No Fucking Avoiding One or The Other
fish deranged
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hate that
And I`m QV
god preteen tiktok is so distressing
LOVE☆STRUCK
It is not fun
LOVE☆STRUCK
And they don't take kindly to anyone telling them to cut it out eiter
fish deranged
like okay we all know how i feel about under 18 people being allowed to safely explore their sexuality instead of bieng forced to pretend it doesn't exist but
fish deranged
that is not safely
fish deranged
that is not safely
And I`m QV
Yeah that's not safely!!!!
fish deranged
do not post sexually charged videos of yourself online that will be spready by an algorithm to TOTAL STRANGERS
LOVE☆STRUCK
Once again my "favorite" preteen activity is accusing anyone who disagrees with you a pedophile, even one who tells you that the things you are doing are literally Sex Culture and Not For You and You Need to Cut it Out
fish deranged
we all laughed at our parents for being like 'people will kidnap you through the phone line' but like
fish deranged
dude
fish deranged
nobody is learning ANY basic internet safety now
fish deranged
they are out here posting their real names and real faces, as underaged kids, to tiktok, in skimpy clothes
LOVE☆STRUCK
Exploring your sexuality is one thing but literally marketing yourself to adults through the exploration of adult reserved spaces is Not That
fish deranged
when i was that age i was stupid but i was NEVER that stupid
LOVE☆STRUCK
GOT BUT IT'S EVEN WITH GEN Z TOO
LOVE☆STRUCK
A Fresh 18 yo followed my porn acct and I'm like well I guess I can't stop you until you cause trouble but like. He started openly talking about his university and which it was and where on his public after dark Twitter and I'm like
fish deranged
also like
LOVE☆STRUCK
Bro
Protect your fucking location
fish deranged
it is some backwards fucking logic to call an adult saying 'hey this is uncomfortable for me and unsafe for you' a pedophile
fish deranged
if they were a pedophile they would saying jack shit
LOVE☆STRUCK
Yeah but that's the thing: pedophile doesn't mean anything to them anymote
fish deranged
'if it makes you uncomfortable clearly it's because you're into it' uh
And I`m QV
Yeah like we had to fucking drag all the under 18s in the queer community discord I moderate to a "here's how to be safe on the internet!!!" powerpoint we put together after a adult creep tried to solicit all of them for sexy pics
fish deranged
uh????
LOVE☆STRUCK
The same way we all threw around pedo bear jokes in the 2000s
fish deranged
like dude i get antsy when the younger kids in the animation discords i'm in start talking about basic shit like schoolwork stress
fish deranged
because it's just SO FAR REMOVED from me, a 28 year old adult,
LOVE☆STRUCK
All pedophile means to them is "an Adult I don't Like or Agree with"
One of my cousins was talking about a guy who does a lot of videos her kids like was accused of being a pedophile and when she looked into it there were no real allegations except one from a kid who disagreed with on eof his tiktoks
fish deranged
yeah it's really really not great that in a time where kids are basically shoving themselves at ACTUAL pedophiles on silver platters they all have no idea what pedophile means
LOVE☆STRUCK
Legit? Honestly? To be real? I am one of the furries who is ok with most mutuals drawing smut of my fursonas

But I'm seriously gonna put a "21+ only" caveat on that I can't with these kids I do not have the energy to guide them AND myself
And I`m QV
There's a very real culture of stealth grooming that occurs on the internet and the fact that people super cannot spot it is deeply distressing to me
LOVE☆STRUCK
It kills me bc the groomers are (not all the time!!) usually the ones who are over-coddling and over-calling out with them
And I`m QV
Yeah exactly
LOVE☆STRUCK
Who are reinforcing all of their decisions including these aimless allegations of pedophilia
fish deranged
right exactly
And I`m QV
They're the ones making themselves available for ~emotional support~ and redirecting suspicion at other people
LOVE☆STRUCK
Like you don't realize these yes men are the ones who have NO BUSINESS interacting with you
fish deranged
the people grooming them are the adults that are like 'yeah you're so good and right and smart, new best friend who is 20 years younger than me'
LOVE☆STRUCK
Why are these kids not questioning why adults are so eager to win their favor????
fish deranged
not the rando youtuber they don't know
LOVE☆STRUCK
I had NO trust for adults as a kid
Fuck I still don't trust adults
fish deranged
i trusted adults as a kid but only the ones who like... behaved. like adults
fish deranged
lmao
fish deranged
i knew adults in fandom and i respected and looked up to them but we had a very much Removed relationship because of that which is how it should be
And I`m QV
Like again!! The latest creep in the queer discord I was in tried to frame her interest as "body positivity" and sharing pictures to encourage self love and was always the first to volunteer when one of the younger people said "can someone talk in private"
fish deranged
yeah meanwhile 'vent' channels in discords make me want to die
fish deranged
and they're the first i mute, every time
fish deranged
i do not want to hear a 15 year old stranger talk about their 15 year old stranger problems
fish deranged
that feels creepy to me
LOVE☆STRUCK
God right
LOVE☆STRUCK
I'm not a teacher or educator and even if I was the whole world is not my student
fish deranged
i get why they're there but i could NEVER engage with one in a way that felt not skin crawly
And I`m QV
And I mean I think teens should probably be in spaces moderated by adults rather than other teens sometimes and I do spend a lot of time talking to teens about their problems as a server mod but like
And I`m QV
I LIKE TO THINK I DO IT IN A WAY THAT ISN'T CREEPY, I HOPE
fish deranged
your server is explicitly about that though
And I`m QV
YEAH
fish deranged
i'm talking like. a chill disney animation server of people who know each other through youtube memes
fish deranged
(that one doesn't actually have a vent channel because the people who made it are slightly older and not brainrotted)
fish deranged
(but that's the KIND of server i tend to be in)
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