ShaynaIsHere
[Young Wizards/DD's wider 'verse] I have a question about a theme!
ShaynaIsHere
I still have the image of 'recognize yourself in the people around you, including your enemies, and recognize your enemy within yourself' from the Middle Kingdoms series, but I forget if there are scenes where this is spelled out exactly for the YW/FW books.
ShaynaIsHere
The first thing to come to mind is ridding Balor/entropy from everyone at the battle in the climax of A Wizard Abroad, but are there other scenes like it elsewhere?
ShaynaIsHere
being able to relate to/find an equal in someone you otherwise dislike...
ShaynaIsHere
or even make a friend out of the realization!! or help them through something!!
Lightning Bolt
I kind of remember something about it in High Wizardry? Where Dairine confronts the Lone Power and realizes it's in her too
Mica
There are a lot of times when the Lone Power maintains a position to come back later and fuck with the heros by virtue of entropy's ubiquity.
Mica
In High Wizardry, Dairine is at one point arguing in favor of allowing entropy into the Mobile's lives, literally taking the Lone One's usual position, because she recognizes that any plan to completely eradicate death from the equation will result in a horrific stasis that allows for no life, no growth, ect.
Mica
Fortunately, the mobiles end up making about as good a Choice as any species can, but there was a hot minute where Dairine was almost frozen in carbonite for the rest of eternity
Mica
In Wizards on Holiday there's a similar situation for an organic species, with the Lone Power carefully permitted to remain on the planet, but in a defanged form, living in unhappy luxury until such a time as the species in question fully moves on from the mortal realm.
Mica
And of course Mamvish's whole story is about recognizing the other in the self and the self in others, although with considerably more cannibalism.
Mica
She goes as far as to say, almost word-for word "I'm going to eat death and thereby befriend and convert it"
Mica
to which death's architect goes, "hey that's terrifying, I'm gonna take a rain check."
ShaynaIsHere
Hmm - I was thinking more individual to individual - a bit like Mamvish, but also Nita connecting Joanne with the Lone Power at the end of book 1, now I think about it.
Mica
Maybe.... I think During Games Wizards play, when Nita recognizes the Lone Power "across the gameboard"?
ShaynaIsHere
Hmm, maybe?
Thanks.
ShaynaIsHere
The sheer aesthetic of, both, seeing a reflection of yourself/your problems in an entirely different context, and being able to come up with the solution to both problems... (this is probably not the same, but still related, as the initial top comment.)
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I think there's some of that in the end of To Visit the Queen because one of the team Rhiow's came to help made a deal with sa'Rrahh
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ShaynaIsHere
o7 I do remember that one!
Angry Popoto
Heck, much of the Feline Wizards, in which they are the Powers, and the Powers are them.
MKSakura
In High Wizards, Dairine realizes that the reason she can hear the LP talking isn't from Logo but because as someone living in entropy, It was a part of her all along
MKSakura
Thus resulting in her brief attempt to take it out by bringing all fragments of the LP into herself and dying, and later talking It into accepting a place back with the other Powers
ShaynaIsHere
Hmmm - yes and no.
I'm thinking of another example, but it's also pretty meta; let's see if I can try and set this up...
ShaynaIsHere
I know I have issues with patience - a lot of my problems come from poor impulse control when under temper (so I, uh. relate to Dairine and Nita somewhat. slightly.)
ShaynaIsHere
And on the other hand, take these - let's assume they're wizards, no? (First leap to work of fiction)
They're tasked with saving the world, only - oh no! it's their world being destroyed, this time! maybe this is normal, maybe it isn't; point is, all their superiors are gone.
ShaynaIsHere
and, of course, they try to save their own world - without fully realizing what they're trying to save it from.
ShaynaIsHere
In the course of saving their world, they pull on a failsafe that's supposed to physically restore their world - but said power only works when it's not their planet that's just been destroyed.
ShaynaIsHere
now, instead of being able to go for people who've faced similar situations for help (and the other more basic assist of psychological counseling for trauma), they've managed to make their world... not exist??? to any other world's worth of wizards.
ShaynaIsHere
and even if it HAD worked, they wouldn't have been able to solve that aforementioned 'what are these things destroying our world, do they even think, and if so WHY did they think this was a good idea?!?!' problem.
ShaynaIsHere
and on ANOTHER level, those beings destroying worlds... just want recognition. they were the unsaved, the fallen, the lost - but the nature of how they were lost means they aren't quite dead; that in fact, they CAN'T die.
they can't really think either, only feel - and so they lash out at whole worlds, civillizations...
ShaynaIsHere
just because they 'feel' something's wrong with them.
ShaynaIsHere
but here's the thing - they COULD have been remembered, because the nature of interaction between life and this plane of existence WAS being studied - by the peoples (and of course, wizards) of the world that they just destroyed here.
ShaynaIsHere
so if they had ALSO waited, they could have gotten the recognition they wanted! not just on that one world, but on ALL the worlds, as word was passed around such that no one could ignore those lost to experiments on this plane of existence (or worse, all the nameless accidents with that plane that must have happened along the way...)
ShaynaIsHere
so that's what I was thinking, for both 'recognizing yourself in your enemy' and 'recognizing your own problems in someone else's context'.
ShaynaIsHere
Wow, I get chatty when I have a nap and it's That Week, apparently.
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ShaynaIsHere
So Dairine's epiphany works, I think - and then there's Mamvish's moment, where she gets the idea for the rafting project, though that's more an example of epiphany/how things can be connected.
ShaynaIsHere
but the vibe I think I'm getting at is 'big problem gets matched with small problem; realization of nature of big problem fuels solving of smaller problem once the former is solved and stakes are scaled back down'.
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