lily!
well everyone battler's done for. pack it in we're done here. Liveblog within.
lily!
...actually, come to think of it, Battler DID just get eliminated didn't he. https://images.plurk.com/6lk38X1QhQsU6IgOv5tqF0.png
lily!
C...
lily!
Congrats? Jessica and George???
penis bacon
rip to your endless sorceror but im different - erika furudo, probably
Rama
I can't believe Battler is fucking dead
Quinn Angstrom
I can
Quinn Angstrom
have you MET battler
penis bacon
no because he's dead
lily!
wow, cold as ICE
lily!
as humiliating as that defeat was i legit can't fault battler for it
lily!
the construction of the closed rooms was sloppy sure and probably wouldn't have stood up to erika if she decided to play fair
lily!
but also
lily!
being able to anticipate that level of fuckery is outside the bounds of what battler ushiromiya, the human embodiment of a golden retriever, can do
lily!
asyfuhojki348uwgtefohy7rw9e8fupodsajgfsxz OH MY FUCKING GOD https://images.plurk.com/1c7q8RmGsJPuoIKFwHn5bd.png
lily!
i lvoe these two dipshit love demons so much
lily!
i have listened to the vocal version of their image song and it DOES fucking SLAP
lily!
why do i always fall for such theatrical dipshits https://images.plurk.com/5nwlnoU0lbJuPPBXLdPmXG.png
lily!
now now, let them have their fun jessica https://images.plurk.com/5BGvrB6MEGEBMX0G2Mo1TN.png
lily!
So George and Jessica are sufficiently meta to not be impacted by the game board freezing?
lily!
yeah it is battler getting knocked out isn't it https://images.plurk.com/3uJmkzGt0WNtCwZWKlYyDk.png
lily!
here we fucking GO https://images.plurk.com/7wfDcoSmBVv2g33H5bW70I.png
lily!
aw, jessica https://images.plurk.com/4gsc10ITrL7dP5GiX3kRQA.png
Rama
I defy you to assign a specific meta level to the lover's game
lily!
Gameboard-Meta, as was developed in the fifth game.
lily!
Essentially a lower-level copy of Player-Meta, where Player-Meta and board pieces can meet.
lily!
The chessboard copy of Beato's smoking room, for example, and Virgilia meeting with Phantom Beato there are equivalent to how Battler swooped in to join in on the game here.
lily!
Along with detective novels, this should be another vital clue for her. https://images.plurk.com/2SLxQhkwzNgzeyOXXKUKak.png
lily!
kiddo... https://images.plurk.com/3MEGN0aak0z7myPjiKuRav.png
lily!
yeah, shannon of all people would know of beato's right to be here
lily!
no zepar and furfur george is just a dick
lily!
although considering the eventual outcome of this love quadrangle in the... past... it makes sense that they'd root for george
lily!
Hey, at least you got a good action scene out of it, Jessica. https://images.plurk.com/ceEGRgsHFJZkTurntuHoC.png
lily!
So why do they have to test it anyways? Why does it have to be a choice? Think, Beato! https://images.plurk.com/4VwoIo5C0ScmgcmNKoKCXi.png
lily!
Take your own advice and don't stop thinking. https://images.plurk.com/6bhm7xNnrYDFZW65ItA1ka.png
lily!
I want this poor kid to stay as herself. To get to choose her own path, somehow. But how can you extricate the symbolism that she is from her own existence to let her do that? She's everything that leads up to Beatrice, the Endless and Golden Witch. A miracle led to Beatrice before, a miracle will lead to Beatrice again. https://images.plurk.com/3b26ps4RTvyOXQmFnTVa55.png
lily!
It's been a while, elder sister. https://images.plurk.com/5TZ0Y8G2bO3FtWDN9e2TBt.png
lily!
You're the missing part of this equation.
lily!
It can't just be logic, and it can't just be faith. It has to be both. https://images.plurk.com/51kAghCRbXfRK1E2dD4dog.png
YOUR LONG
honestly at this point i gave up on trying to categorize all the different levels of meta-reality and how they interacted. It's you know, the thematics that count I guess.
lily!
Yeah, that's also very fair.
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I just like having a taxonomy in my head so I can read the thematics better.
lily!
I've mentioned this before, but something that strikes me about the Elder's design is that she doesn't contain any elements of the classic Beatrice, because she is the witch of the night first and Beatrice second, after she was given that face. She was ill-defined before the painting, so her clothes and hair don't match it. https://images.plurk.com/5yxzzDxs55pz3uZwF8TRXS.png
lily!
Kiddo...
lily!
I think the problem they're running into is that they have a fundamental misconception about their dual nature. They think they're two halves of the same person, but it's more like the Younger is the reactant and the Elder is the catalyst. If I'm using those terms right. https://images.plurk.com/L3sVCZUVlBVJ7MjUvfeLp.png
lily!
They can't just neatly fit together, there has to be a third factor that lights the spark to create something new, or old, between the two of them.
lily!
Without love, it cannot be seen. https://images.plurk.com/5ScM39yaG1A5GW48cnI1bK.png
lily!
Yeah, I figured as much. Battler had the right idea at first, but he needed to think a bit more outside the box. https://images.plurk.com/7qio0iURQltz6NTGjTb6GF.png
lily!
They were partially made out of Battler's love for Beato. No wonder they're so certain. https://images.plurk.com/4lWxqkYc5qe1rQkjlTKJgW.png
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With love, you can have faith and believe in someone coming to save you, even if that logically can't happen. I really do wonder if my insane, twisted logic from last time had a thread of truth in it. https://images.plurk.com/TnKlM7XA4cmmKk77VlyOB.png
lily!
god, featherine you smug shit i love you https://images.plurk.com/2iDvaRV18XcDqjPdR8HsbV.png
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asdfuijwktfuisodhjcxn and i love ange's dynamic with her. unabashedly calling out this insanely powerful witch on bull https://images.plurk.com/2yrKdbGl41BzTnNYugK8qJ.png
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the way featherine just eats the audacity of this bitch up is so good too. https://images.plurk.com/6U23qOG39vOs6Hgwg60Iiq.png
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ange is out of any fucks to give and that is IMMENSELY entertaining to someone who would absolutely terrify most people
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although most character sprites face the screen by default i really feel like featherine is staring into my soul when she says stuff like this https://images.plurk.com/5dbgbQCdhP8Z1wYjxxF1dc.png
lily!
Because Ange is, paradoxically, part of the tale even though she's reading it. https://images.plurk.com/7dEvOVbL7q66SzJZEaCwpA.png
lily!
And now that we're talking about the craft of writing itself, we're back to Hachijo. https://images.plurk.com/5HqCJc2k6qNpV9rJBtpTTW.png
lily!
Umineko has a thesis of "no easy answers" and Hachijo is pointing that out.
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It's designed to be engaged with, talked about.
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It's made for those four to eight month intervals between Comikets for people to go absolutely nutso over
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Or for amateur detectives like myself to rake over with a fine-tooth comb for every possible detail.
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It's a work that rewards you for thinking, and PUSHES you to think by creating gameplay and interactivity even though there's technically none in the game itself.
Rama
Hachijo is definitely staring at the camera like she's Sans Undertale
lily!
"I know it's been a long haul, but you're almost at the end. Keep going." https://images.plurk.com/1aUE7SZTWGqAKwP2ash85h.png
Rama
I hadn't put together the sprites and the words before
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...wait.
lily!
Oh my god.
lily!
IS. IS HACHIJO NOT GOING TO LET ANGE READ ANY MORE UNTIL SHE SOLVES THE ROOM HERSELF
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
i feel like
lily!
YOU FUCKER I LOVE YOU https://images.plurk.com/16zhqTN8MCVlAi1753Izgr.png
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
hachijo wants to write video games.
"you want to progress? solve the puzzle first, bitch."
Rama
And we come full circle to my old argument about whether VNs are video games
lily!
it's hilarious remembering that while ange is fuming over this insane fanfiction about her dead family amakusa is just off to the side reading over her shoulder and low-fiving hachijo whenever ange gets particularly salty
lily!
fuck, you're so right hannah
lily!
ANGE THEORYCRAFTING TIME https://images.plurk.com/22GqrCfBUr4TZY5lnFwlOk.png
lily!
god, when we get to this point in the groupread i might hard stop here and shake everyone down for theories, this is hysterical
lily!
basically, she's at the point of her writing where you need to have reached the truth to understand it. episode 6 already greatly benefits from understanding at least a little bit of what's going on but this is apparently going to be on a whole nother level https://images.plurk.com/1u0G0O6cN893PVjMPLI4E8.png
lily!
fiajsuhyg9wp8fasuhg7y9wef8asuipozhf98dsauiohgfvusadzojahgudsafizkjsadhufjn https://images.plurk.com/5d0X9RHuBtcqrcidwM7zbP.png
lily!
FASDUHNJT9GWEFYADSUHIJHU4TW8EAGYFS9HUDZXF8R9TUAWFDS8XUHJEWTASHF8D7UT8EWR9DFSHC8UIDSFFSJAODFWEFSDUOJ https://images.plurk.com/1LckNCc9riZOqHfd4p947S.png
lily!
I'm curious. If I hadn't reached the truth by this point, would you guys have started pressuring me for a full solve around this scene? https://images.plurk.com/3WuAj6b6RZ5CRU8IdGPjAU.png
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
hachijo came out here to attack people and shes having SUCH a ggod time
lily!
yeah i love her
lily!
what a horrible jackass
lily!
i think the most hysterical possible option
Rama
which is why I don't go outside is exactly the kind of quip I use for NPCs that get called out on unrealstic behavior.
lily!
is that these conversations between hachijo and ange are real and happened
lily!
but were only added to the final draft after the fact
lily!
so the day after while ange is getting ready to go on rokkenjima she gets a notification, takes a look at the new episode 6, sees all of this stuff that really happened between her and hachijo and just spends two solid minutes cursing
lily!
HERE WE ARE AGAIN BABY https://images.plurk.com/3MZlWp7sTFEKTse79F9pZz.png
lily!
i know she isn't saying anything particularly cool here but god i love lamdadelta. she's so good https://images.plurk.com/1jtjck3gMWtBwvD8E9seJ4.png
lily!
Lamda... https://images.plurk.com/1thsTZnoQwKE2Ice50bh6F.png
lily!
...hold on give me a minute
lily!
ok back
lily!
Hoh? https://images.plurk.com/46vt19iq7IrlkSnJRBCEXe.png
lily!
Was it Lambda, or someone else? https://images.plurk.com/5lK2YCDZEG7XXfTpBoZqTD.png
lily!
So, originally, it wasn't Lambda that started the loops in Higurashi? https://images.plurk.com/5DpLVIGV9aPrRWBZMOk4wl.png
lily!
There was no victory condition for Rika's side, so the game couldn't end as it would be unfair, but if there was no victory condition the game would have to continue forever until she made one. I see. https://images.plurk.com/wIHXccG0cPbpPuax2fwwU.png
lily!
oh. oh ouch https://images.plurk.com/Gk6Hf3tDqRlObUHc3nrz2.png
lily!
Which is why the other side, Lambda—was it Lambda? She's talking in a way that's too vague for me to be certain—eventually took pity on Bern and let her start with "all her pawns in the eighth rank." https://images.plurk.com/1t670935bHHlF03L3pz1Su.png
lily!
Something I think is crucial about Lambda is that she keeps mixing up the game metaphors, but in a deliberate fashion.
lily!
She understands that in a witch's game, it won't necessarily 100% follow the logic of whatever game metaphor you're applying to it.
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It can be whatever you need it to be at the time—chess, poker, backgammon.
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Fate is a bitch sometimes. https://images.plurk.com/7e6YbhlyNdHM2z4iejErqH.png
lily!
Yep. https://images.plurk.com/5FhPkNcNvUxPMxmBVcRwI5.png
lily!
And it was even worse than 1/100, wasn't it? https://images.plurk.com/1jvqPgtBQOuHt2zgXLcr7G.png
sailor bii
/chinhands
Quinn Angstrom
here's a fun fact about the monkeys thing
Quinn Angstrom
if you put ten billion monkeys on every one of ten billion planets
Quinn Angstrom
and had them hit keys, without worrying about capitalization, for the entire history of the known universe
lily!
Certainty means, no matter what happens, you are going to succeed this time. That's the power that grants absolute certainty, but even certainty has its limits. A miracle means that no matter what, you are going to succeed, no matter how many times it takes. You will eventually succeed. But who knows how long it will take? https://images.plurk.com/6FDWPu9ZyHvgeYwbg6IDaD.png
Quinn Angstrom
your chance of one of them producing the sentence TO BE OR NOT TO BE, THAT IS THE QUESTION.
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would be about 0.00000000005%
lily!
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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not hamlet, just that one sentence
lily!
hhhhhh erika probably really does not want to think about that https://images.plurk.com/1pJ3X5ClE4bpuy7bErGO6m.png
lily!
Keep telling yourself that, Erika. https://images.plurk.com/3rxijz3OWYYp46YLgmXjZI.png
lily!
"We keep on throwing others into the abyss so that we know that we're not the ones falling forever," I suppose.
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You know, I
lily!
I really hope that Lambdadelta's backstory never gets explained honestly
lily!
Her weird... cryptic-ness as an entity that you nevertheless actually feel pain and empathy for despite functionally knowing nothing about her or the context from which she was created is great writing.
lily!
And I feel like rewinding and saying "THIS IS HOW LAMBDADELTA HAPPENED" would sorta take away from that?
Quinn Angstrom
you can infer a lot about it if you've played higurashi but that's about as mucuh as you'll get
lily!
C-C-C-CYCLES OF ABUSE BABY https://images.plurk.com/3PX8pIxYVw9Q1ROcLPWKlu.png https://images.plurk.com/53B6N59Xp89qR8sorR0Wx6.png
lily!
From what I've heard, Bern has a very clear analogue to Rika but what happened to Lambda and her relationship to the characters in Higu is a lot more fuzzy.
Quinn Angstrom
she does line up with a specific character
lily!
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh boy, erika. https://images.plurk.com/5BmXZFtix3mK7sYHpVtfEZ.png
lily!
she doesn't lack self awareness
lily!
she is in fact
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trying really, REALLY hard
lily!
not to have self awareness
lily!
After spending so long together... ha, I suppose. https://images.plurk.com/1ScnxrKW26OkSgkkym50en.png
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"listen i know you're thirsty for my girlfriend but step off" For real, though, this is... sweet, in a weird way. https://images.plurk.com/73vwrivEDdwiThAWyMxwHy.png
lily!
i think you are underestimating the depth of their hell, overestimating the depth of yours, and creating a false equivalency in one stroke. truly the work of a master https://images.plurk.com/6dDyMJsPslz0ShETAzwUvk.png
Princess Emily
lambdabern is real,,,
lily!
it is incredibly real, holy shit
lily!
As much as I am loath to admit it... Erika does kind of have a point. The suffering Olympics are pointless. Trauma is trauma and it has an effect on you no matter what. https://images.plurk.com/1VCi1FFsmlhb2FLaYB2aX5.png
lily!
still though i think she is REALLY underestimating the meaning of "monkeys on a typewriter" here
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however
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oh i LOVE lambda's expression here she is just so done https://images.plurk.com/8yUVy3BLN9TUeVEy7AWIX.png
Quinn Angstrom
"The suffering olympics are pointless" and "My suffering is equal to yours in a conversation about whether or not I understand the depth of your suffering"
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do not quite align
lily!
yeah
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that's why i made that comment about her not quite understanding the real meaning of monkeys on a typewriter
lily!
Hm. https://images.plurk.com/2HDwc1Dy6LRyBf78A9T3na.png
lily!
I... okay, Erika. https://images.plurk.com/1Ad5omkbhYNJHpdWs3zyMl.png
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I admit, I'm having a hard time following. https://images.plurk.com/4fTRuORISUwJK9lRm0f8Wk.png
lily!
Oh, hey Bern. https://images.plurk.com/2nHQDbNWCx7IkVIqwfQOUk.png
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..................yeah, you've COMPLETELY misunderstood, Erika. https://images.plurk.com/5IAZuFMPspo2qW7w88m5df.png
lily!
Brrr. https://images.plurk.com/4eP0RMS4xxlY2Uptesx07V.png
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YEAH THERE IT IS https://images.plurk.com/MFOJakNSJtx9yw4YuWRLU.png
Quinn Angstrom
Lambda summarized, Bern summarized
lily!
The greatest poison of all. https://images.plurk.com/5wfuKre6juq9Rgtf5KaHr9.png
Quinn Angstrom
https://images.plurk.com/3ZfNBpnPEfMcee6WOw15Tu.png
lily!
oh that's a fucking GREAT expression
lily!
oh my fucking god
lily!
"the power to withstand the truth" is just "lol nope i'm not messed up at all what are you talking about"
lily!
the power to withstand the truth
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just like the power of miracles is knowing miracles don't exist
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is to lie to yourself
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Bernkastel: The Witch of Miracles
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or
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Bernkastel: The Gijinka of Depression
lily!
fuck
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ah, shit https://images.plurk.com/UQgF55e8fw4jhPiin43b1.png
lily!
And we are slowly approaching the endgame at the beginning of the story. https://images.plurk.com/3p6Q1SDyElbd8WB9PcKBLc.png
lily!
Yep. https://images.plurk.com/60OcRjWNSMnBb91WHeCgQa.png
lily!
And thus, the wedding. https://images.plurk.com/1VUxh2PSlAArVSoYgkBOII.png
lily!
The pattern of the Ushiromiyas echoes out forever. https://images.plurk.com/5MWzzt6EMvND3Zr0nGodxM.png
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You know
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A sign of a character being "trapped in hell" is their eyes are completely blank
lily!
No pupils
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Beato and Battler are the obvious examples, but
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I wonder if this applies to Bernkastel too
lily!
Even now, she can't escape
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It's either that and/or be erased from the public's consciousness. Those are the two routes for an anime girl of around Erika's age: become god or get erased from the public consciousness. https://images.plurk.com/3G4Jyz6GoTrcZgY0jeJTgv.png
lily!
that is way more terrifying than erika will think it is lmao https://images.plurk.com/1tfJiTcLVZcTmuTqnbcNRU.png
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brrrrr https://images.plurk.com/4Ml8CMHlnpzxyUKbYhfRSL.png
lily!
there is so much to unpack here and i hate all of it https://images.plurk.com/6e8LR8Q88qXgThQWASCWcO.png
lily!
one, fuck you
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two, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr\
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three, throwing someone else into the abyss because you know you aren't being thrown that way
lily!
Ouch. https://images.plurk.com/xJ1n6s8pTX52i63N0A3Y9.png
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above all else
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lambda likes to have fun
lily!
she has a few more standards than bern but this is also looking really fun and this is a GREAT date idea, planning someone else's wedding
lily!
oh i hate this https://images.plurk.com/4vuyTBtZpiK3zrOar8vtvZ.png
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
I really wish Erika had like. Any redeeming quality, at all.
lily!
battler.... https://images.plurk.com/1RD5pN4hdN4l9FIshUAPCH.png
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
Every time she reaches the bottom, she finds a way to get worse.
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somehow that sucks even worse https://images.plurk.com/6J0tJGxF2588c43SXEQm0f.png
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the fucking imagery here
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BRRRR
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i'm
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not going to paste any of that in here
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because cw EVERYTHING
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but WHAT THE HELL, ERIKA
penis bacon
Yeah this scene is, uh
penis bacon
The most blatantly brrr scene of the entire series, the one I felt the need to throw content warnings out about a whole two eps in advance
lily!
meanwhile zepar and furfur are ALL ABOUT this shit https://images.plurk.com/1HTXa3JK3JsIfuu84I7Qwi.png
penis bacon
This is the scene where the narrative goes "no you should feel as much sympathy for Erika as you do Kinzo, if not less"
lily!
now beato has a hard time limit
lily!
she can't just keep on banging on the typewriter forever
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she needs to figure out the manuscript herself
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unfortunately, six years ago
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or a thousand depending your perspective
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she wasn't quite as much of a prolific writer
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yeah exactly
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You're a good older sister. https://images.plurk.com/4QciTHdnGp5v2OGy19Q2p7.png
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
I'm very convinced the fandom would despise Erika if she looked anything like Kinzo
lily!
Wuhoh. So they need to invalidate the ceremony itself. https://images.plurk.com/2reyRdo5j29DlFSbyY0Def.png
lily!
YEP https://images.plurk.com/11uKB5opi1QohEUUluEIk1.png
lily!
Are we sure about that? https://images.plurk.com/1kC9IArxaCVUtm624UxsFu.png
lily!
Fuck it, I stand by my absolutely ridiculous blue truth from before.
lily!
It fits the themes that this entire episode has been building toow ell.
lily!
But you don't have infinite time to bang on infinite typewriters. https://images.plurk.com/E9PFD3sqDM7PaA32gpKKR.png
lily!
Love can make anything possible, so I suppose they can. In a sense. https://images.plurk.com/iFLmcUSm1vIkp9i80XKzC.png
lily!
STOLE THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH https://images.plurk.com/2l92Xb9ZZhOnVe3TvNnejC.png
lily!
Thanks, you two. https://images.plurk.com/6ldDtbzyOEe6HkL2bKRcio.png
lily!
That is a very metaphysically interesting plea. What counts as a "long time" when these two were created by Battler for this game? https://images.plurk.com/7vsbILGDzvGvJxmRAFjbEt.png
lily!
Without love, it cannot be seen. https://images.plurk.com/JcRlDtVcYNBne82gurEDH.png
lily!
YEP
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That's because you aren't the one with love for Battler, Beato the Elder. https://images.plurk.com/5dk9Zent6igQY74eGkax3W.png
lily!
Magic can only accomplish what you can do yourself.
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i don't think that's going to work. https://images.plurk.com/6ybFM34rdOoorK8aLks8YY.png
lily!
I find it really kinda... heartwarming.
lily!
That two avatars of Battler's love and understanding of Beato
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Are the ones to help her through this
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...there we go. If she watches Shannon and Kanon, then maybe... https://images.plurk.com/1dMeutCmroYmPaaSOXz2ZF.png
lily!
gee, elder, lay off https://images.plurk.com/13QALovRo0Mhb80YZB0bKQ.png
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...Shannon vs. Kanon. Of course. https://images.plurk.com/7vRC8vLCiwOlS1bJq7hzZ2.png
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That's the only way this could've been decided- GOD WHY DOES EPISODE 6'S SOUNDTRACK BOP SO FUCKING HARD https://images.plurk.com/18YaIsh7iSnDaHDreatg6U.png
Rama
Quinn Angstrom
Alive is one of my favorite tracks in the whole series
Rama
It's my actual favorite
Quinn Angstrom
just that feeling of tragic inevitability
sailor bii
i'm not sure what my favorite track is, but it's definitely one of my favorites
lily!
i spent like
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five minutes just bopping to it
lily!
so that scans
YOUR LONG
it definitely rules a lot, though there's one coming up that I like even more.
lily!
You could've. But then you became "human." https://images.plurk.com/3twEHMaK91k5kUTx28E3jv.png
penis bacon
The entire Chiru soundtrack blows the entire Question Arc soundtrack out of the water

with exception of maybe worldend dominator and dreamenddischarger
lily!
and those are both zts tracks right
penis bacon
yeah
penis bacon
(as an aside: it murders me in the heart, how Alive is just... basically the "optimistic" version of Happiness of Marionette, right down to being the exact same melody and drum loop)
lily!
Like, 100% 1v1 using their own powers? https://images.plurk.com/5plh7bu6hrxFTNJS9mgTSe.png
lily!
yeah i noticed that too
lily!
It's Happiness of Marionette without the pretense.
lily!
so DEFINITELY not their own powers https://images.plurk.com/5DbEf0Rpqth3Qh0aaUnihG.png
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