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[Star Wars] After two months of continuous star wars I am finally up to A New Hope
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I haven't seen this movie in YEARS
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Let's see how it holds up
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QUIET is how it holds up
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/cranks volume way up
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And so we pick up ten minutes after the end of Rogue One
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God this is so
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Quaint
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but also like literally everything I have watched so far has been leading up to it
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C3P0 I don't think they have much need for protocol droids in the spice mines of Kessel
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God I actually know what the Spice Mines of Kessel ar
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oh god
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is this the remaster?
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Will there be awkwardly edited in CGI side characters?
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Will Han shoot first?
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The subtitles for R2D2
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"(BLIP BLEEP BLIP)"
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"(BEEP WHISTLE BEEP)"
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fuckin' jawas
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YUP IT'S THE REMASTER
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I DO feel a certain fondness
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for like
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the age of practical special effects
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When they couldn't just do everything in computers
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"(BEEPS SADLY)"
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Sandpeople are consistently shown as bloody savages
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until the Mandalorian
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when Din just talks to them
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that was a HELL of a noise you just made, Obi-wna
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Obi-Wan: "What the FUCK is R2D2 doing here"
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Obi-wan cuts a dude's arm off
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everyone just kind of stares for a second then goes back to their drinks
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Goddammit
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Greebo shot first
Bolt Vanderhuge
Han only shot first in the original theatrical cut, I think
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What the fuck
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Jabba is here
Bolt Vanderhuge
The special edition made it so Greedo shot first, and then later edits definitely made them shoot closer together, but Han still shot second
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I don't remember this scene
Quinn Angstrom
the jabba scene is extended only
Villain
you can see the cuts when they turn on the lightsabers in this one
Quinn Angstrom
the most amazing thing about ANH is how much the technology to make a movie look like that just didn't exist
Quinn Angstrom
it's pre-green screen for fuck's sake
Hazard Kitten
what's a fucking crime is as they thought it's one and done most of the intricate props got thrown into the dump
Doge-lover Joja
Time Travel will be used purely to recover 'relics' before their disposal, and these props will be counted among them
Doge-lover Joja
mark my words
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when the stormtroopers find the droids on the Death Star, one of them hits his head on a low door
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But yeah for the era this was a technological marvel
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god the lightsabers look so wimpy in this
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they hadn't really figured out how they wanted Lightsaber battles to look yet
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Vader stepping on Obi-Wan's robes like "Where the FUCK did he go?"
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It's amazing how much C3P0 and R2D2 are married
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"Come back R2, you've got to! You wouldn't want my life to get BORING would you?"
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I heard that there's a short story
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About the technician on the Death Star who was responsible for ACTUALLY pulling the lever
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that blows up planets
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And that after he blew up Alderaan
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He was tormented with nightmares
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So when he was ready to blow up the rebel base he hesitated
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Which gave Luke the chance he needed to finish the Trench Run
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Anyway they LITERALLY teased the existence of the Death Star in...episode 2, I think?
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Maybe even episode 1
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They spent like 35 years building the damn thing
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And then after blowing up ONE planet it was destroyed
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rip in fucking pieces
Rama
The Death Star got teased in episode II yes
Rama
And the understandably remorseful gunner was a character in the Legends novel Death Star, which was an ensemble piece about people who lived on, worked on, and helped build the thing
Rama
Other fun facts from that novel (now thoroughly decanonized) was that the engineers did catch the exhaust port vulnerability, but only just after that segment had finished getting built.
Quinn Angstrom
honestly 35 years of work to destroy an entire planet seems pretty sensible
kamikasei
I’m kind of annoyed Rogue One spoiled the purity of that with multiple test firings
Quinn Angstrom
I've been trying to destroy the earth for 34 years and i've barely made any progress
kamikasei
Because one, it’s funnier for it to only work one time, and two, it’s weird to have the Death Star fire on a planet to not destroy it
Dirk Warhard
quinn i didn't know you were an oil exec
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kamikasei : on one hand yes but on the other hand Rogue One did SUCH a good job at making the Death Star as intimidating as hell
Bolt Vanderhuge
But I mean, it didn't need to.
Bolt Vanderhuge
Watching Alderaan be obliterated and the sheer size of the station that dwarfs any other ship was intimidating enough
Bolt Vanderhuge
Rogue One as a film is a pretty entertaining watch, but I think the grand spectacle of the Death Star getting around and the Rebel fleet getting beaten down doesn't... really add much to A New Hope?
Bolt Vanderhuge
(though it does add something to Empire Strikes Back)
Bolt Vanderhuge
That said, I liked Rogue One and likened it to a Star Wars tabletop game where most of the characters are like Level 5 and are out of their depth for the campaign they're in but they make it work
Rama
Rogue One and Rebels both play out remarkably like tabletop campaigns.
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I feel like someone at LucasDisney played a lot of RCR or Saga
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There's a few specific rebels references in Rogue One
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There's a bit where they're on Yavin and an intercom in the background is like "General Syndulla, report to command"
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And a rebel guy on the beach during the final battle yells "Karabast!" while getting shot at by an ATAT
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Anyway I like Rogue One, for the most part
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And I think it would be weird to have a movie ABOUT stealing the plans for the Death Star
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and not have the Death Star do anything in it
Bolt Vanderhuge
I don't necessarily think so, because in most cases why would you have the Death Star respond to a covert operation?
Bolt Vanderhuge
Depends on the scope of it, essentially.
Bolt Vanderhuge
And it can show up and be menacing, but like, glassing a planet isn't that much different than destroying it outright in practical terms
Bolt Vanderhuge
And I think glassing planets minimizes the horror of the act of Alderaan's destruction, which is... a pivotal moment in the series.
Bolt Vanderhuge
Like, that's supposed to be the moment the Rebel Alliance gets a massive groundswell of support
Rama
In fairness, Legends did approximately the same thing with the Death Star exploding the blacksite planet where it was being built
Rama
The difference being that was a secret, rather than the public demonstration that Alderaan was
Villain
They made a big deal in Rogue One about covering up the test firings of the Death Star because they weren't dramatic enough for a public demonstration
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Which Alderaan was
Rama
Yeah
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It's a bit of an audience vs. in-universe disconnect if you watch them in chronological order
Rama
Which you are, but I don't think anyone making Star Wars pays much attention to how things will look in chronological order
Villain
I strongly suspect a LOT of the series hits differently if you're watching it like I am
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At this point it's all just, like
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one continuous story
Bolt Vanderhuge
I mean, other than "why would the Death Star respond to a covert operation" most of what I'm talking about having a problem with is on the meta level, as a story
Bolt Vanderhuge
That I'm speaking as a reader/viewer by intent
Bolt Vanderhuge
Being like "I don't think this does anything we needed for the overarching narrative"
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It doesn't but it stands on it's own as a story
Bolt Vanderhuge
Yes, a story within a greater overarching narrative, but I think dialing back the spectacle of it would make it more consistent with the beats of the movie it's a prequel to and no less effective as a human tale.
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perhaps
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