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[fandomentalist shitshows] drrrrrrags hands down face
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no that's
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no
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that's not how it works
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that's not ao3's purpose, that's just
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why are you fucking mixing in omegaverse with pedophilia that's not
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
N O
𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦
"suggest your complaints" which will then be summarily ignored
𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦
you can suggest all you want but they don't have to take obviously bad faith suggestions any further than "thank you for your suggestion"
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
Bruh, most of your complaints about pedophilia and rape are misguided. Like... no.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
'If we can't make Ao3 staff our hound dogs, we will be the hounds.'
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
meanwhile they have an actual shit sense of smell.
~(=^‥^)_。
gah yeah i saw that take
~(=^‥^)_。
these purity people are just nuts
ᴄʜᴏʀᴛʟᴇs ғᴀᴛʟʏ
are... are people trying to get kink removed from ao3 now
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
most likely.
duck bastard
yes, and for a while now, tbh
duck bastard
but, god, i'm just. this is such a shit idea, it's terrible, just stop that!!!!
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
please you're gonna hurt yourselves and others. S T O P.
~(=^‥^)_。
i've seen a lot of 'children can read it' and also 'but htere is actual child rape fics on there'
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
it's not real kathleen. i know it causes YOU a lotta stress to see fictional characters getting raped, but idk... maybe focus on something more important, like... ACTUAL RAPE and ACTUAL PEDOPHILIA? some of which you actively enable.
~(=^‥^)_。
that's my thought followed by Real People Fic has been around since - idk maybe going aon a limb here - Dante's Inferno
duck bastard
there were apparently rpf a few decades ago involving boy or rock bands
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
like a lot of them aren't actually about protecting kids, it's about protecting themselves, and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
~(=^‥^)_。
there still are - kpop rpf is pretty big
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
and wattpad isn't acting right so who else wants to bear that load?
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
i don't like RPF but... hey live and let live.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
like they consider 'pedophilia' a freshman dating a senior. I DON'T TRUST Y'ALL.
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
they never stop
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
and even then, why are you so concerned over consent over fictional characters? like that's concerning.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
normalising, fetishizing, WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED OVER fictional people?
~(=^‥^)_。
heck i seen someone have a fit about pedos in a fic when the two characters are 30 and 50 so. people are idiots
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
sometimes it feels like there should be a driver's license for using the internet. Like, I'm not in favour of censorship or restricting information access and stuff, but god. fandom stupidity has taken a level up in the last few years.
Azure ☪ Moon
Oh God ao3 has rpf? I guess as long as rpf of people who actually are currently minors and could search themselves and find it is banned it's okay but rpf... It's so fucking creepy to find that sort of thing about yourself, to the extent that I can't do LA at all due to an incident with my image when I was a teen
Azure ☪ Moon
Yet even with that personal experience I wouldn't ban it entirely, purity hounds need to chill
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
Like, I find rpf pretty creepy and A/B/O is mostly head tilt as concept, but live and let live/don't like don't read has always been a proven solution for dealing with content that doesn't interest me or creeps me out
Sunny~
ever since I saw a take where someone write 23 year old minor i was beyond done and i'm like why rope a/b/o in that it has a category too LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE and i wish WISH that it was just the internet but after meeting these kind of people in college i have no more patience anymore
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
it shouldn't be this hard for people to understand that they are responsible for their own fandom experience.
~(=^‥^)_。
the tags are there to help filter them out so you dont see it when you search
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
yea. there are tags. there are very often specific cws in the notes too now.
Sunny~
two canon adult characters get called minors which makes no sense at all these campaigns to protect lines and ink makes me shake my head like Deku is gonna come to life and say thank you
Ken
my way of not dealing with stuff I don't want to read: I don't read it :')
Ken
Folks trying to thought police stuff that they don't want to read in the first place is ... they need better hobbies.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
or at least hang in places they aren't tolerated in to get some perspective.
~(=^‥^)_。
or just go back to ffnet where things are heavily cut and moderated
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
trust me when I say this: the fanpol is only that bold because they are tolerated in the spaces they are in.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
question: does anyone USE ffnet anymore?
~(=^‥^)_。
there a re people who say it's a better place and such
ᴄᴏʟᴅsɴᴏᴡᴄʀᴏᴡ
I saw someone saying that the test AO3 gives you when you apply to volunteer is specifically designed to screen for people who are going to try to abuse the position like this.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
I hope they fail.
duck bastard
re: ffnet, people do still use it! it apparently has a bigger archive (for now) and more interaction for the older fandoms, from before ao3 grew to the size it is
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🌸Springfallen🌸
.....this is why tags exist, to WARN of those things. God I hate people. I don't mind those topics if they're not blatantly obvious shock value things and drive an aspect of a character's trauma
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
also if tags don't exist... the back button is there on your browser.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
like... it's obvious these people want others to curate their experiences for them and they obviously don't want to do it.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
again this is fanpol in a nutshell: https://images.plurk.com/5lWLO52Dnv0cgPUu1GqHac.png
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
sometimes I kind of want to use ff-net for my KH fics because I get way more response there, but it is so much effort to deal with formatting my stuff for ff-net
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
more likely, I'll just pick all my stuff from there, transfer to Ao3 finally and just leave a giant notice like To Be Found Here with just the user name instead of a link in the profile
𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜
considering that ff-net hasn't been able to handle a hyperlink since approximately 2011 or something
Calliente
I mean, if you try to volunteer to explicitly undermine the stated purpose of a group, you will summarily be un-volunteered, so I really don't know what they think this would accomplish
Calliente
This is like saying "are you pro-life? Volunteer at an abortion clinic and wrestle the doctors yourself"
Calliente
You're attempting to sabotage the service the place you're volunteering at is providing, how well do you think that will go over
Calliente
How long do you think you'll be there???
Calliente
You'll immediately make yourself a nuisance and they won't let you volunteer there anymore, is all that's gonna happen
Calliente
AO3's stance is "no censorship of legal fictional content", which is...practically all fictional content that I'm aware of, currently
Calliente
And that was in DIRECT response to oppressive censorship of vulnerable people instigated by purity culture groups that scared website shareholders about their profit margins suffering
Calliente
So no, inserting your purity culture agenda to attempt to get AO3 to censor things is not going to be successful or remotely welcome
Dr. Yubsie
yeah someone in my writing group says she gets way more traction on her ff7 fic on FFN
HOOUS POOUS
if there's any one thing i'd like to see booted off ao3, it's noncon RPF fics of real underage people
HOOUS POOUS
a/b/o is trashy imo but it's not the major issue here
Azure ☪ Moon
^^^
Calliente
Yeah, like, I also disagree with RPF fics of underage people, even consensual ones, because...people sexual content of real life minors bothers me, EVEN IF the people creating it are themselves minors
Calliente
It still feels like it's at the expense of a real person
Calliente
But I would say that's something that needs to be folded into "do not make sexual content of real life minors, ESPECIALLY without their consent which they can never give anyway because they are MINORS" legislation, not something to tackle website by website
Calliente
And if that was legalized against, AO3 would remove it in any case
easy snake oven
Oh boy I got so pissed about this yesterday
easy snake oven
"You know that tag is illegal right?" Some 16 year old tells me. I was like "You can argue it's immoral if you'd like, but legality depends on location and there's a reason the FBI has looked into A03 multiple times and let them stay up."
Calliente
(I personally am not comfortable with RPF in general, but I feel like making actual laws against making sexual content centered around adults is more of a grey area and I'm not sure I'm willing to advocate going that far)
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
also children: THE FBI ISN'T YOUR HOUND DOGS ETHIER.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
they got shit to do.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
just check for the tags, use the back button on your browser and get out of places you don't like online AND COPE.
Calliente
(I'm certainly not willing to advocate going that far when I acknowledge that it's not my thing, I don't understand it that well, and I know I am personally biased against it - always be as aware as possible of your biases, kids)
easy snake oven
I hate all RPF fic and would not suffer if they were gone but they can take my ABO from my COLD, DEAD hands
Calliente
I've heard some very interesting thoughts from people who understand RPF better than I do about how it can actually make a lot of sense when you factor things like kayfabe and idol personalities into it - when real people are deliberately acting out personas in public, sometimes even deliberately teasing shipping of these essentially fictional personas
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
I like RPF the way I like certain questionable as hell kinks involving youthful animu ppl (which I don't) , but will I defend them to protect my own rights to write whatever the fuck I like? Yes.
Calliente
And then people ship what is already an essentially fictionalized version of a real person, after those personas have basically baited them with shipping material on purpose
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
I won't like it, but I will.
Calliente
So it's like...there are some interesting grey areas possible in RPF that makes me hesitant to advocate any sweeping legal bans that don't take those kinds of complexities into account
easy snake oven
I mean I'm fine just ignoring it. I'm certainly not going on a purity crusade against it because I am so exhausted with fiction policing.
Calliente
/nod
Calliente
That's more or less my stance
Calliente
It's only when it comes to real life children that I'm like "okay, there should be some legal precedent about making non-consensual sexual content about them here"
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
YEP.
Calliente
(Which is...all sexual content about real life children, because consent is impossible)
Azure ☪ Moon
Yeah. It falls under ACTUALLY protecting real life children instead of policing to protect fake children
easy snake oven
Like I tweeted yesterday I dislike the people crusading against them way more than I dislike the people who want to like have Kakashi bone Naruto or whatever.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
aka, you draw/write nasty things about a LIVE ACTION KID.
FBI Open Up - Sound Effect (HD)
Calliente
But yeah, that needs to be a LEGAL PRECEDENT, not a "blame AO3 for not taking it upon themselves to decide what to censor" thing
Azure ☪ Moon
def
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
that's my limit, and YES THAT INCLUDES THE SHADMANS OF THE WORLD.
Calliente
So what these people should do is write their senators/congressmen about introducing a law against creating even fictional sexual content of real life children, because that really can have real world harmful effects that, say, your Kakashi/Naruto fanfiction isn't going to
Calliente
One of those things is completely divorced from reality, and the other very much is not
Cookie Politics
how to tell someone doesn't know why ao3 was made: this screenshot
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
like WE KEEP telling them this, but they just don't want to listen.
Cookie Politics
all those things they want out? are exactly the reason ao3 was made in the first place
~(=^‥^)_。
the problem with having politics get involved is that they can make things worse for those they want to protect due to either vague wording or too restrictive wording but yeah we tell them and they just 'lalalalaa' and don't listen
Cookie Politics
don't walk into the pitbull friendly dog park made by pitbull parents who were tired of getting kicked out of other dog parks and complain about pitbulls being there
Cookie Politics
you look like an idiot
duck bastard
a part of me does wonder about proper legislation, because it could very easily be used for fucky reasons that don't actually help - see SESTA and everything else that's screwing over sex workers, or sexual content on websites, etc
duck bastard
but that just means it needs to be handled really carefully and with people who understand complex shit and. stuff.
duck bastard
i can't word but i hope people get my point alkdjfsa
Cookie Politics
and this is why ao3 and the otw have legal teams who do actual legal and advocacy work, so that people don't try and handle complex matters with the legal equivalent of a blowtorch
duck bastard
yeah also true
duck bastard
gotta.... slowly pull myself back from being Nonstop Completely Pessimistic about us politics alkdjfas
duck bastard
it's still Shit but THERE'S HOPE......
Cookie Politics
one thing to remember is that it's always possible to pull back laws like these, it's been done before and can be done again if someone tries to overstep
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