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Mouth Powers
how self-indulgent would it be for Jedao to make Rawne read Lord of the Flies
Mad Larkin
if you think it'd be a good idea, go with it!
Mad Larkin
I haven't read the book, but I know the basic plot
Mouth Powers
the thing about it is that many decades of English classes take the in-text devil's version of events as true
Mouth Powers
and paint it to be this really cynical/nihilistic book
Mouth Powers
and it's definitely dark
undrwo
Q supports this
Mouth Powers
but if you come to it without preconceptions and empathize with the boys, to me it feels much more like a book that's just about this huge grief for the consequences of war, and grief for the legacy adults leave to children and how hard it is to make a better world when you're starting from nothing & toxic masculinity & british classism
Mad Larkin
Rawne would definitely pick up on the "the world is ending" part
Mouth Powers
to me Lord of the Flies isn't a tragedy because the bloody ending couldn't have been averted because humans are all evil, it's a tragedy because the ending could have been averted, but wasn't, because humans are small and scared and frail and don't always know how to help each other even when they are really trying
Mouth Powers
and that's crystallized by making all the characters kids
Mouth Powers
who have know idea what they fuck they're doing, like, 98% of the time
Mouth Powers
* no idea, even
Mouth Powers
ANYWAY: there are many things about LotF that don't really line up with the pop culture meme it's become
Mouth Powers
I stan one dead white guy classic
Mouth Powers
LiberBEARian I AM SO PROUD OF BEETLEJUICE RIGHT NOW???
Mouth Powers
he is being very good about respecting a boundary and later Jedao will have the perspective to thank him for it
Mouth Powers
also i'm re-reading a Fahrenheit 451 just a little and holy shit I sure did get to the bit about a lifesaving medical procedure for $50 and wonder if giving up all books would maybe be worth it
Mad Larkin
the thing that gets me about the response to Lord of the Flies is the weird "but girls would never" idea
Mouth Powers
Golding was very much writing from the perspective of a former boy's school teacher, and the way things ultimately play out on the island is very specific to british boys of a particular time period - because the values they've been taught and the ways those values fail them are a big part of it
Mad Larkin
yeah
Mad Larkin
but the idea of "girls would get along and get off the island, that's how they're socialized" is wrongheaded. it'd be different, but not that much better
Mouth Powers
but like, the other major causes of problems after "Jack has toxic imperial masculinity" are 1) there's a dogfight and corpse in a parachute drops onto the island kicking off a wave of paranoia
Mouth Powers
which is literally the history of the war landing on their heads
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and 2) roger, and roger alone, just being kind of a sociopath
Mouth Powers
and no one having any idea how to control him once he realizes he's off the leash
Mouth Powers
and 1 and 2 are both very possible on Girls Island AU du jour
LiberBEARian
Betelgeuse is not very respectful at all to most people but he honestly gets being shy and not wanting to sing. It's weird. Also more stage for him.
Mouth Powers
it's not that he's shy really, but being bad at singing is part of his identity at this point in a few different ways
Kira🌵
LotF is one of many books that gets badly betrayed by landing in the public school literature curriculum where it does, I fear.
Mouth Powers
it really does
Mouth Powers
I just kind of found it when I was 15 and adored it but the way it is taught is so bad!!
pharadyne
now I'm just imagining Norton reading it and thinking of his school days and going "yeah, this all tracks"
Mouth Powers
also anyone anywhere who teaches LotF without taking the opportunity to read a few excerpts of "Coral Island" is missing out
Mouth Powers
when you realize what Golding is making fun of, some of the shit in LotF is scathingly funny
Mouth Powers
Norton decided he damn well wasn't going to be Simon, so he'll act like Roger if he has to
Mouth Powers
Jack is still Jack
Kira🌵
...
pharadyne
(LOL)
pharadyne
accurate
Mouth Powers
Mouth Powers
AKA 'IT'S GOOD FUN NOT ABSURD IMPERIALIST TRASH AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T @ ME BECUASE YOU'RE A SAD LOSER'
Mouth Powers
william golding: oh I WILL @ you, binch
pharadyne
The Coral Island vs LotF is making me laugh also because I'd decided that Norton tends to talk about his school days like "oh the fun and gaiety of boyhood!" when it wasn't really that fantastic, and although it definitely wasn't anywhere remotely near LotF bad, my brain is like "pretending LotF is The Coral Island."
Mouth Powers
SWALLOWS AND AMAZONS
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And I`m QV by any chance did you base this withdrawal on benzos
And I`m QV
Canon actually gave me pretty concrete withdrawal symptoms to work with so I just went with those mostly!
Mouth Powers
huhn cool well they definitely match the general class of CNS depressants
And I`m QV
Neat!!
Mouth Powers
sdfgsdg BRADBURY STOP MAKING IT WORSE
Mouth Powers
why is Clarisse sixteen
Mouth Powers
what the fuck does that add to anything
Mouth Powers
Julia and I-330 got to be adults
Mouth Powers
yallternative remind me whether you've read Jedao
Mouth Powers
Jedao's books or no?
yallternative
I have not!
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CAN I STALK THE BETELGEUSE RESPECTING A BOUNDARY THREAD WHERE IS IT
Mouth Powers
it's in jedao's egg post
Mouth Powers
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zooms away to read
Mouth Powers
it's even better because Jedao's issues about both singing and consent are so weird, if Betelgeuse hadn't proactively given him an out, he would have had trouble setting that boundary at all and it would have been messy and miserable for him but instead it was just...easy
Mouth Powers
good job, beej
undrwo
quentin reading this; hey it me
undrwo
but yes gj beej and jedao this is super sweet
LiberBEARian
He honestly didn't even realize what he was doing
LiberBEARian
accidental failing upwards into success
Mouth Powers
Jedao is going to point it out later I am committed to this
LiberBEARian
:3
Mouth Powers
do you remember if their other therapy thread is from before or after eggs
LiberBEARian
before, I think!
Lady Stardust
now I really regret not having had the bandwidth for that post
Mouth Powers
if you want to assume Iris helped with sing-a-long it's cool with me!
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cute... cute... cute...
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good job bj
Lady Stardust
she definitely turned up
Lady Stardust
probably with her egg tucked into her clothes
Lady Stardust
and talked to it constantly in a very low murmur
Lady Stardust
she didn't have a lot to say but she was glowy
Mouth Powers
https://64.media.tumblr.com/9c0daeb0273d6fb24d58d70e4669d394/e03a26e8889b3cae-86/s640x960/6d18f1a9f6795ed2024a350ed1ae7dc179a29933.jpg tumblr reminding me of Misty's first tlv cowboy friend
Mouth Powers
Mouth Powers
MEOWDY
yallternative
I'm cry
yallternative
need a visuals post just to save things like this
sith-in-law
AWWWWWWWWWWW
sith-in-law
The ears...
Mouth Powers
...I meant to tag raven and it autofilled 'yee' to haunt instead of hawciraptor but I'M GLAD YOU ENJOY
sith-in-law
HAHAHAHAHA
sith-in-law
Yes very much so
yallternative
we're all cowboy appreciators here
sith-in-law
Raven still somehow managed to appear first
yallternative
summoned by meowdy and just happening to be hovering on the tab
mostly meowdy
Mouth Powers
william you too can be a catboy (cat cowboy)
Mouth Powers
https://64.media.tumblr.com/e06261de08101e41db669f711bb51593/e9fc008046f86cb2-d8/s640x960/da3ae1b4fdddbc960f1f5102588953f1515d81fb.png live your dreams
yallternative
gives him this for the party
sith-in-law
The perfect way to punish everyone for having a Halloween party
yallternative
there we go, that's the spirit!
Mouth Powers
LiberBEARian so like, would Hux have made notes on Jedao's file?
Mouth Powers
I'm thinking a lot of color coded highlighting at minimum
LiberBEARian
oh yeah he's awful
LiberBEARian
"things I have tried." "things that have failed" "favorite experiences" "can't tell if sarcastic, ironic, or genuinely enjoying"
Mouth Powers
perfect
Mouth Powers
he's letting misty see it so I wanted to include the secondhand book flavor lol
LiberBEARian
ooh, link pls
yallternative
Misty internally starting to make a nerd joke but then remembering she planned on literally also taking notes
Jay
lol
Jay
definitely nerds
Mouth Powers
Jedao, adding color-coded sticky note guides on top of Hux's color-coded highlight: I'm totally a jock tho
yallternative
the next person Jedao extends this offer to can't read a GODDAMN THING
Kira🌵
they're going to have to move to footnotes and interleaving notes pages soon
yallternative
pages fold down
yallternative
flips file open like playboy
nothing but torture and notes
LiberBEARian
legit
LiberBEARian
"see appendix B"
LiberBEARian
That's what Hux really should have done, was leave room for further notes for future wardens
Mouth Powers
Dogma: "[FIVES] might as well [DO THAT]. [HE'S] already so goddamn weird."
Jay
lol
Jay
yes, yes he is
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