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[ff7r] daily liveplurk, picking back up in train graveyard
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ah yes
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that... dungeon
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that.
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this, incidentally, marks the end of what I've watched on other people's gameplay streams
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from this point on, all I have are self-inflicted spoilers and I am HYPE
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have you played OG? I've been unclear from plurks
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anyway I don't hate this dungeon but it probably didn't need This Much
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oh yeah I've played OG through like 4-5 times
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aight
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its been a minute but I am an ff7 veteran
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yeah it's A Lot
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it IS and if feels like it's also kinda inconsistent with how it's handling the girls
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like I'm so down for the girls being very tactile with each other but it's weird to have them clinging to each other in fear in one shot and then in the next shot Aerith is fearlessly doing her magic thing
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there's a thing a lot of fantastical settings run into
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where like... there's an arc about spooky ghosts
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and the characters treat spooky ghosts as scary, as they are in our world
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but you live in a world where magic and snake monsters and shit are all extremely real, as are ghosts
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you just killed Abzu two arcs ago like it was nothing why are ghosts scary
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yeah...
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yeah it's weird
Lea
I mean, to be fair ghosts are tied much more closely to death than pretty much any other sort of monster aside from other undead.
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like I can bullshit about something something fear of death and the unknown but like. these are still monsters just in spooky flavor
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if you wanted to play up Aerith is Magic, then do that and make the ghosts less of a threat
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it doesn't help that, like
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ghosts fucking suck to fight
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they're so tedious and aggravating
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oh yeah they're really not great
Lea
Honestly, it would work better if the ghosts were implied/shown to be able to manipulate emotions or something. That's a pretty classic ability for them to use anyway.
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it makes SENSE but it's not fun
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I really would actually have liked it if they'd turned the dial way down on all this poltergeist bullshit and kept the ghosts non-hostile, while the threat comes from other shit that lives here
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I can much more easily buy scary ghosts in a setting where we can punch dragons if the ghosts cannot also be punched
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they're scary because you don't know what the fuck
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even a helpful ghost is spooky if you don't know what the fuck its deal is
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like I guess the ghosts being punchable shitty monsters and also terrifyingly powerful poltergeists does explain why people haven't stepped this place bare for scrap, but it makes for a weak game section
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"I don't have time for your shit," Cloud tells a ghost
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relatable as fuck tbh
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MARLENE
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really FEELING the stakes here
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ahhh hearing the Turks theme start cutting in
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yo what the fuck
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yo what the fuck??
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I have no idea what the fuck is going on but baby Aerith is cute
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OKAY YES WE KILLED THE MONSTER AND THE GHOST KIDS ARE FREE NOW AND IT'S ALL VERY MOVING BUT IS THIS THE TIME???
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Pacing!
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pacingggggggggg
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"Shinra does not negotiate with terrorists!"
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GODDAMMIT TIME COPS
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yeah the pacing near the tail end of train graveyard is terrible
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There are just several times in this game where the pacing just... collapses.
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I had no idea how bad it could be
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it'd been so good up to that point it's honestly bizarre that it got SO bad
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BIGGS
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I like this chapter a lot once you actually get to the pillar
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it's just so fucking harrowing
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..... GAME THIS IS MEAN
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IT'S MEAN TO GIVE ME A DIALOGUE CHOICE HERE
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NO
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patting Cloud's head like that no no NO MY FEELINGS
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there isn't even battle music now
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wow Reno I can tell you're really feeling this
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Tifa that was fucking COOL
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"I need you to--"
"Get Marlene to safety. Right?"
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Aaaaaaa
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"No, sir! I will not obey that order!"
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I'm dying
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I haven't been recording reactions because it's all SO MUCH
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i still choose to assume that's the same mook that asked cloud out on a date
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but Marlene just broke me
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"Are they gonna destroy the bar?"
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★ тяу-нαя∂уи : I'm pretty sure he is
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good
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get it, mook 6,215
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..... why was there a mako static moment there
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hi tseng
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LMAO RUDE NUDGING THE HELICOPTER
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"Hand slipped."
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also I'm pretty sure that was the same mook yeah
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"What the hell?"
"Nice catch."
"You're crazy."
"Just like you. So suck it up, because I'm not leaving."

what a good moment
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bonking reno's head off the window
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JESSIE
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oh Ascension IS slick
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hell yeah
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also like Cloud announcing it with "Let's dance, asshole!"
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what a nerd
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I like how at this point we're just pushing away the whispers like inconvenient curtains
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"They were my bombs. They were all... my victims. I had it coming." oh no Jessie no
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I can't believe that Barret, at a minimum, would not have ranted angrily about what shinra was pulling there but I 100% believe it wouldn't have mattered to Jessie
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"You owe me a pizza!" is up there with "Who will I eat ice cream with?" in terms of 'stupid lines said to a dying character that break my damn heart'
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;-;
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that entire sequence just hit me right in the feelings
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minor ludonarrative note: it really is agonizing going up all these levels of pillar and having that objective marker right there on the minimap, mocking me
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its making sure I feel the weight and futility of this task procedurally as well as emotionally
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lmfao yeah........
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it feels actively wrong to stop and rest at that bench
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Gotta Go Fast
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god. Reno's stupid fucking shirt.
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there's not even any buttons on the open part, that shit is tailored to be as slutty as possible
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"It's nothing personal... bitch!"
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reno looked at the turk dress code and was like
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"blazer required, huh? well....."
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the turk dress code is flexible because who the fuck is going to tell them no.
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oh my god the fucking sunglasses gag
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yeah I imagine the rest of them were just like "you do you buddy"
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I love that moment for many reasons
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it's so
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there's a lot that happens in two seconds
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yeah
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also if you watch them during this part you'll see them using legit actual teamwork to beat the shit out of you
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it makes you emotional for these assholes while also being a visual gag landing
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they set each other up for combos and it's beautiful and very painful
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oh shit
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oh they fuckin'
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oh hey Rude uses the disabling neck chop on Tifa too
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yep
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I see now how that is a visibly MUCH gentler attack, clearly meant for subdual rather than combat
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yeah he does it really carefully
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(tifa has my steal materia and I'm trying to get rude's bracer)
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it's a really nice touch
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(I completely failed at steal through the entire game, which means I straight out missed a weapon for Aerith and I'm still annoyed about it)
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isn't it, though? these fights are so good at showing character
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WEDGE AND HIS CATS ;_______;
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game please don't make me think of all the innocent animals who die in this shit too
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danger to pets in fiction is acutely and irrationally distressing to me
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CAIT SITH
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missed a trick not cutting to classical music in President Shinra's office as the plate fell though
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that was a really effective moment in the original
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i will only tell you the cats are probably fine
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bc that bothered me too
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yeah I'm a bit spoiled because I have no self control when I see spoiler plurks
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that does mitigate it at least
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barret ;;
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barret...is good
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shit... that scene was so good.
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was that the 'return to the planet' line because ow oof my heart
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I'm so glad remake took the opportunity to really dig in to the painful moments like this and give them the room they need to be their best
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oof no not yet
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/zips mouth and waits
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Barret comforting Tifa even through his own grief was so good though
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i love....barret
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oof making me walk through all the evacuees......
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the hardass seminor officer being shaken, too
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...senior, wtf phone
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it's Fucked Up
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oh shit I like the flash of what this episode of Cloud's looks to anyone outside
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I want to listen to ALL the npc chatter
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this is particularly striking, here's a couple talking about supplies they'll need to help the people who escaped... right next to some people talking about looting the rubble and how they can "help" the injured while they're at it
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the npc chatter is so damn good at making this feel like a whole inhabited world
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I feel like squeenix has really made an art out of that in their recent games
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14 and 15 are both really good at it too but 7R is a masterpiece
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ye
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barret vs. elmyra
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you can't just barge into a lady's house and start demanding to know where your daughter is
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god his facial expressions though
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"I... took advantage of her."
Tifa honey
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BARRET IS SO SOFT WITHOUT THE GLASSES
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HE'S SO SOFT!!!!
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big soft papa bear
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Cloud: Because she's an Ancient. That it?
Elmyra: ... So she told you about that?
Cloud: /VERY CAREFULLY DOESN'T SAY SHIT
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Elmyra: She's not my daughter. Not by blood, I mean. If that's what you were wondering.
[camera angle changes to put Barret in the foreground for a contemplative reaction shot]
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good. visual. storytelling.
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"I thought maybe they'd run away from Wall Market." oof
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oof, there's the "returned to the planet" line
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how the fuck old is Tseng
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he looks exactly the same here as in the present day
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yeah don't worry about that everyone's called bullshit
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they just didn't make a different model ig
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lmao makes sense
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honestly he might as well be some kind of weird immortal because he does look visibly younger in Crisis Core and what the fuck really. what's a timeline. can you eat it.
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i mean, fair
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Elmyra saying she's sure Aerith is being treated like a guest and she's sure they'll send her home once they have what they need, and clearly not believing a goddamn word of it
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my heart.
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she doesn't believe her own words but she has to try and convince herself because she doesn't have the ability to resist Shinra and the grief and hopelessness will overwhelm her if she doesn't convince herself this will be okay
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ah the slide is damaged the sane way as in OG. it's the little things, you know?
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this tragic mix of Tifa's theme over the devastation of the bar....
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;-;
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oh hey. it's Deepground.
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it's fuckin DEEPGROUND
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i swear to god i was like
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'why is there a lab under midga-'
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'oh my god there's a lab under midgar.'
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Y E P
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we just fuckin IN it
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I'm tentatively hype, Deepground felt like a very slipshod addition in Dirge but they've been hinting at this and so far this game has done almost no wrong
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... before controlling Barret I never really thought about what he does for bullets, but what does he do for bullets
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oh my god the SHELVES FULL OF SHINRA CRATES
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'fuck you' is what he does for bullets
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barret spawns bullets fueled on his anticapitalist rage
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HE MIGHT AS WELL
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i had that question around here and settled on 'eh, fuck it'
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bullets just happen
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pours one out for Barret's ladder-climbing arm
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oh I am SUPER not okay with these giant bug nests
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yeah it's.....ew
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barret complaining about the ladders :'D poor guy
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also I'm alarmed both by how many cages are down here and that they're all empty
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I haven't talked about it before but the fact that the map shows where you've been walking is a godsend
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..... this completely normal coffee machine in this normal breakroom is the most chilling fucking thing down here
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I wonder which of the three identical kitties this is
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oh I do NOT like THIS
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CLOUD THAT WAS THE COOLEST ENTRANCE
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"Followed the trail of bullet holes."
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I was about to express surprise that Cloud wasn't flashing back but then he did
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oh but here come the time cops to get him out of there before he can remember TOO much
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the time cops were on a coffee break and looked back like
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'they're WHERE'
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barret ;;
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this whole chapter has been so good for his characterization
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awwwww Marlene petting the kitty
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oh hey! I had some doubts about the narrative purpose of the whole Deepground jaunt, but this makes sense
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now they can make a strong case to Elmyra that they NEED to go save Aerith
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I don't recall how they handled the transition to storming Shinra in OG, but this works
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Elmyra's hesitation is very understandable - she's deep in the denial stage of grief, and you really have the sense that she's brittle from too much loss and constant fear of loss
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asking or even just allowing these people to mount a rescue mission for her daughter means she has to grapple with the fact that her worst fear has finally come to pass
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and in the most painfully in-character way possible, no less - Aerith, irrepressible as always, was doing inadvisably dangerous shit and finally got cornered and traded her freedom to assure a child's safety
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okay yeah I just looked up the OG game script and Elmyra basically has no input on them storming the Shinra HQ, it's just sort of taken as read that of course they're going to go do that
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but going into the impact of all this on Elmyra, as a character instead of just an exposition source, created this situation where she's paradoxically resistant to letting them do that
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which meant they needed some narrative distance and some way to convince her, instead of just running roughshod over the wishes of a grieving woman
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and the fact that they end up in Deepground because they were trying to find and help Sector 7 survivors makes a lot more sense character-wise for the party, too
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I think it was kind of a risky narrative choice to let Cloud witness fucking HUMANS IN CONTAINMENT TUBES this early, and I still don't quite jive with Deepground as a setting element, but you know what, Remake? okay. you have sold me a ticket for this train and I am boarding.
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★ тяу-нαя∂уи : sjghksd plurk hid the time cops coffee break comment from me
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'THE FUCK'RE THEY DOING IN DEEPGROUND GO GO GO'
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IT FITS WITH THE SUDDEN FUCKING WALL OF THEM
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honestly I'm amazed the tubes weren't a trigger for Cloud on the same level as the burning house
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yeah same
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I guess he's in an overall better mental health place rn than he was during the first bombing mission
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he's had a lot to do to keep him busy
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probably if you'd showed him a tube in like chapter 2 he would have just gone straight up catatonic
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"Especially to that son of a bitch Hojo. We're all just numbers and meat to him."
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you'll probably be fine as long as you don't think too hard about how you know that, Cloud
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omg cloud sleeping sitting on the floor
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on the one hand, that's cute! on the other, I bet he had to get good at that
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i didn't......even think about that
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"Sorry. Didn't mean to wake you."
"I'm a light sleeper. It's a trauma SOLDIER thing."
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hug her HUG HER HUG HER
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"They took everything from us. Again."
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HE DID IT
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HE DID THE HUG
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that was so sweet
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barret and marleeeeene
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"That girl. She was kinda..."
"What?"
"Nothing. You should help her."
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s q u i n t s
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okay what does the four year old know that she's not telling
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god I am so so glad for this sweet wallacefam content
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remake has been really good to Barret in general
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★ тяу-нαя∂уи : I'm glad to share my pain
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