CChuuni
[Coronavirus] / [mute] https://youtu.be/... brb screaming internally
Imp
that guy has a hella punchablle face
CChuuni
Among other things
MooseChangerPat
of course they did
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Exacerangutan
under arrest for suspicious reverse-burglary, I presume
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVe_wrPXgAEnYOt?format=jpg&name=small ayyyyyy lmao
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Rosesrosabella
Ooooh, yea, my brain. Excuse me, going to fill the bathtub with cold water and ice
Rosesrosabella
Stay strong, it would be a dark day to have you disappear off the face of the earth :-(
CChuuni
Mom said a whole rosary for me yesterday and I feel better today
CChuuni
Also apparently the article is wrong (unsurprising) SARS did/does attack the immune system too
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Exacerangutan
...what NYT bombshell?
Exacerangutan
........the one about how he didn't take it seriously enough up front? O.o
CChuuni
Poor cucked Fauci
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Trump saying his authority is total
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This is why he needed to be removed GOP
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He literally thinks he's King
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and God
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Effects of Breast Reduction on Pulmonary Function

Bummer. A new reason for Whatson to hate this, breast reductions are increasing globally
CChuuni
Brought to you by I can't lay on my right side, but chest is weird with giant boobs and "... Do I have to work harder to breathe because of my boobs?" Answer = yes
Imp
That's why the only republicans I will defend are regular people and individuals that I know. Not the politicians.
CChuuni
I'm kind of angry about it (LOL) because if I didn't have cfids it wouldn't matter, and I don't want all my life to be based around it, but that's pretty irrational
Whatson
That sucks.
Whatson
But I'm not surprised, where there's backlash against the "save the boobies" breast cancer movement because it belittles women.
Imp
People gotta learn to laugh at themselves
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Exacerangutan
YUP that good old "the preventative measures helped so we clearly didn't need them" mentality going hard
CChuuni
yup
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It's a sad sorry state of affairs when you admire Putin's leadership
Exacerangutan
he may be a lot of not good things but I don't recall ever thinking he was a mind-numbing idiot or indescribably inept
Whatson
He carries himself like a leader
Whatson
So did Obama. Not regarding his policy
CChuuni
Yea
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I still think Moosey's right that Putin really is a living isekai and maybe so am I
CChuuni
But where Putin remembers his other life
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I used the cheap knock-off version to get here and my body can't HANDLE IT
CChuuni
....... Thanks Trevor I didn't even think of that (unsure)
Exacerangutan
....?
CChuuni
"People might purposely get the virus so they can move around freely" fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Exacerangutan
...
Exacerangutan
...I wish I could dispute that point, but
Exacerangutan
we're still surrounded by humans
CChuuni
Y u p
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I hadn't CONSIDERED IT But as soon as he said it I knew for a fact it would happen
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I mean UK thought they should encourage people to get it to be immune
CChuuni
THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS AT ALLLLLLLLL
Whatson
I don't mind staying home and getting paid for it, but i had an inkling to see Maine or Arizona again
CChuuni
WE WILL It's just
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Rushing not good
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I want Independence Day to be GOOD not horrific
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I'm silly like that
Whatson
I stay home for July fourth anyways
CChuuni
Also I kind of like Trevor's baby afro. I wanna see it get bigger
CChuuni
I MEAN
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I don't want to but obviously this year what choice do I have
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I want to be in Maine in August
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but PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
CChuuni
Maybe I'll get to see my godparents ??? sometime this year before Christmas ????????????????????????????????????
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVm9UDgX0AEVRHI?format=png&name=small muh immunity
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVnFGqMX0AA6AIU?format=jpg&name=900x900
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I think it's time for the song
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unf unf unf
Whatson
It used to be funny
Whatson
The Corona-Chan thing is now the ironic cult from Yahtzee's Jam book
CChuuni
Trump Cuts Funds for World Health Org as Oxfam Warns...
tbf Tedros was def. covering shit up for Winnie WuFlu Pooh
CChuuni
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVnOXBKXYAEp8e6?format=png&name=small reminder zombies
CChuuni
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVpb-xtX0AAEmut?format=jpg&name=small Maybe they shouldn't have sucked China's cock (thinking)
Exacerangutan
I mean I get the frustration and memes and all but
Exacerangutan
just to make sure you do know how silly a take that is right?
Whatson
"But a lot of people are actually dying."
"We don't really want people to die, we're just enjoying it ironically."
CChuuni
I got into this because of Hong Kong and Taiwan
Exacerangutan
like, for one thing, we cover a fraction of WHO's budget, and as per usual with our international commitments we're way behind on actually paying... and as an utterly toothless organization that depends 100% on goodwill to garner cooperation, sucking cocks is literally the only way WHO can accomplish anything if that's what a country demands
CChuuni
NOW MIND YOU
Exacerangutan
so if China says "tell everyone how great we're doing or you can get information on this disease when it starts hitting Europe," the WHO has a pretty straightforward choice to make
CChuuni
I fully defended Teddy's kissing up to Xi Jinping because AS I SAID "If they don't, China could just stop the lockdown and kill all of us "
Exacerangutan
yeah basically
CChuuni
Exactly BUT
CChuuni
the mistakes are as follows
Exacerangutan
this is the "RAWGH ACT OF WARRRRRSGHDH" shit about Russian Hacking all over again
Exacerangutan
yes it's not great but 1. what exactly the fuck else were you expecting, and 2. how exactly the fuck is pretending it's an evil conspiracy and not business as usual actually going to help make business as usual better
CChuuni
1) Trusting the numbers
2) not having the officials anywhere near Wuhan and straight up spreading misinformation FRANKLY DELIBERATELY
3) ignoring the condemnation from HK, Taiwan, and again, SPREADING FALSE NUMBERS
4) insisting it wasn't a pandemic and that they CHANGED the pandemic definition (????)
5) Tedros was literally hired for this
6) Not pressuring
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other countries to take preventive measures despite the CLEAR whistleblower EVIDENCE out of China, the cruise ships, and anywhere near China (Japan etc.)
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AND Don't assume my thought processes
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I'm angry at Tedros, I'm not saying "yes let's not fund the WHO" or that it's ~~~~ a global conspiracy of special significance rather than run of the mill corruption~~~~
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The solution to run of the mill corruption IS however, daylight as disinfectant and pressure
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NOT FURTHER KISSING PEOPLE'S ASSES WHEN IT NO LONGER HELPS AND JUST ENABLES THEM TO BE WHINY BUTTMAD JACKASSES THAT KILL PEOPLE
Exacerangutan
also lbr ignoring HK and Taiwan is not a WHO specialty
Exacerangutan
that is basically everyone who isn't trying to start a war with China
CChuuni
Again idgaf that "oh but OTHER PEOPLE DO WRONG TOO"
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Do you think I'm NOT mad at Trump and the US and all of the European neoliberals?
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LIKE
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DO YOU KNOW ME AND HAVEN'T YOU BEEN FOLLOWING THESE?
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I'm a NATIONALIST so yeah
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Trump can eat shiiiiiiiiiiit. Specifically Coronavirus infected shit.
CChuuni
And for all I know he might because he's insane and stupid and reckless and chaotic evil af
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And no, war with China isn't a solution either
Exacerangutan
maybe if it was a coronavirus-infected taco salad
Exacerangutan
you know
Exacerangutan
ethnic food
CChuuni
but economic pressure on both the WHO and China and international cooperation of "NEVER AGAIN"
CChuuni
lmfao yes
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It kind of blows my mind that he still will be eating McDonald's right now
CChuuni
Even though the only way to get out of a McDonald's job is to have a specific Coronavirus note from Doctors like
CChuuni
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm saaaaaaaaaaaaafety
Exacerangutan
I mean saying "economic pressure on WHO" is all well and good except that they're not a trade partner, they're an international body we barely bother to underpay as it is, and I'm not sure WHO pissing off China would have helped or that it would now >_>
CChuuni
I'm just saying, just because Trump is doing dumb shit, let's not ignore that there is also OTHER dumb shit We shouldn't normalize war crimes etc.
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There's a difference between "pissing them off" and "Doing your fucking job in the name of saving the world"
Exacerangutan
yell at the UN about WHO not having enforcement teeth I guess would make more sense except that none of the UN has enforcement teeth except with countries too small to do anything about it
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AND I THINK WE BOTH KNOW I HAVE VERY LITTLE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO THEIR JOB
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Fine then let's fix that
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But again
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You ain't gonna do it by being like "POOR WHO DID NUFFIN WRONG"
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Like yes, Republicans don't want ANY world cooperative organization
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because they're warlord lunatics who want to drown governments in a bathtub so they can be warlords
Exacerangutan
yeah but for example if your job is "get Trump to cooperate with you when you have no authority to force him to and can only ask nicely" is going to involve a lot of ass-kissing and refusal to acknowledge his errors or else he'll stonewall you just to make a point as we know from watching the news
CChuuni
Just because they also hate WHO doesn't mean WHO is a good actor in this
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I know, and I have NEVER ONCE
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Said "Fauci doesn't do enough" now have I?
Exacerangutan
I'm not saying WHO has done nothing wrong, but I'm not sure how right it's possible to get this situation, either
CChuuni
If I can get it right
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FROM 3 FUCKING HOSPITALIZATIONS FROM PNUEMONIA
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I SURE AS HELL DAMN WELL EXPECT PEOPLE BEING PAID TO DO THIS AS THEIR JOB AND DUUUUUTTTTYYYY TO PUBLIC SAFETY
Exacerangutan
generally speaking, it's a lot easier to say "I got it right!" while imagining doing a thing than while doing it >_>
CChuuni
TO NOT FUCK IT UP ASTRONOMICALLY WORSE THAN ME
CChuuni
No, because I can acknowledge that I MYSELF think maybe I should have gone a LITTLE harder on the "please take this more seriously"
Exacerangutan
I get the feeling there's a spectrum of bad choices and WHO made some set of them, which, yes, 100% notice the bad choices, but I'm doubtful that "no bad choices" is an option and I'm not sure how narrow the "least-bad" path is
CChuuni
And that I didn't want to ~panic~ anxiety riddled people etc.
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No, I'm not saying they had to be perfect
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JUST NOT THIS BAD
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3 out of 7 mistakes I'd be like "okay human error"
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7? NO YOU DONE PURPOSELY FUCKED UP FOR CORRUPT PURPOSES AND IT IS OBVIOUS
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AND AGAIN
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TEDROS WAS PURPOSELY ELECTED
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BECAUSE OF HIS ROLE IN COVERING UP AND DOWNPLAYING EBOLA
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Yes, Trump is just using this as his other escapegoat BUT IT IS REALLY EASY TO NOT LET HIM
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AND HOLD BOTH ACCOUNTABLE
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I can't believe people diminish their OWN LIFE VALUE this much
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And if not yours individually, what about people you love?
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We can actually DO BETTER THAN THIS
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I KNOW IT IS REALLY HARD TO IMAGINE
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BUT WE SURE AS HELL WON'T IF WE NEVER TRY AND JUST CONCEDE TO BE OPPRESSED lmfao
Exacerangutan
of course we can
Exacerangutan
I mean we won't, I'm pretty sure, but
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That too must be fixed, and again
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Won't be if we give up like Bernie cucked Sanders
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"Isn't he allowed to give up to save lives" Absolutely.
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And he said from the start, it's not about him
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So it's on US
Exacerangutan
once one player in the prisoner's dilemma starts being unnecessarily dickish, everyone else gets paranoid and starts making statistically self-destructive choices because trust is a fragile thing and everybody wants to be the top crab in the bucket
CChuuni
step up.
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Or we could just
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Not be bucket crabs
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YES, SOME WILL BE
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But you don't have to
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and for every bucket crab that infects others
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those who go "I aint' gonna play that shit" is a counter wave
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Like in othello or Go
Exacerangutan
have you considered developing strong AI with a non-bucket-crab goal hierarchy so some sapience will exist after humans have destroyed themselves
Exacerangutan
I feel like that's a wiser bet
CChuuni
No I hate AI
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And I BELIIIIIIIIIEVE in humanity
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as a whole
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individuals gonna be fuckups, and yes, we all collectively fuckup, but we can do better, we GRADUALLY HAVE BEEN DOING BETTER, I believe we can REACH a better point of non-bucket crab-dom
Exacerangutan
I can't speak for you but I don't think I'm gonna be around 400 years from now to test that hypothesis
CChuuni
Who cares?
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It's not about being right, it's about this second, right here right now
CChuuni
This is the same problem I have with people who care about the afterlife
Exacerangutan
I'm not sure you can convincingly make a plea to gradual change and instantaneous focus at the same time
CChuuni
Why not?
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People planted fig trees that would take 200 years to bear fruit
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I don't want to BE the kind of bucket crab I so despise
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EVEN IF I AM WRONG
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So fucking what?
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WHAT HAVE I LOST?
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I got to spend my short time here hating myself less OH THE HORROR
Exacerangutan
well in a time and place where other people are deliberately destroying sapling fruit trees that might not be the best investment, but
CChuuni
So do better than them. Get other people to be inspired to plant more trees than they can destroy, get local governments to block them from it, or make it more costly to do than is worth it. A Billion Begins with One
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Make it so that burning down the rainforest for cattle grassland is less money directly than leaving it wild etc.
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This isn't hard, humanity is already doing it
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People see/hear the negative side and despair and that too is human nature (bucket crabs even) but be stronger than them
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Petty assholes are like bugs
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They can be terrifying and carry illnesses, but you are big and can crush an individual or eat the horde of locusts
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVp_aVdWsAEl7kJ?format=jpg&name=small wow
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GRANTED RIGHT NOW I FEEL MORE LIKE TAKING A FLAMETHROWER TO THINGS THAN PLANTING TREES BUT
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I am not an incompetent man-child who must channel emotions into bad decisions
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usually
Exacerangutan
I mean abstractly, intellectually, yeah, I know, struggle endlessly to do a good thing and maybe it will have some lasting impact. Statistically, some of them will. Just like I know abstractly that doing everything confidently is more effective than doing everything anxiously, and not being depressed is better than being depressed, etc.
Whatson
Says the one who can't control her yelling and gets shushed by parents all the time
Exacerangutan
But "throw yourself on the altar of statistics--it probably won't really matter, but statistically it definitely will very slightly!" doesn't feel super motivating.
Exacerangutan
Maybe that's the best there is, idk
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\:|/
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I'm not a psychologist, I don't treat depression
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I've BEEN depressed
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EVERYONE in my family has needed to be on anti-depressants and been suicidal at points
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SO I MEAN I GET IT but
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I can't you know
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cure it
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So don't look to me to fix that, I can't.
CChuuni
Don't beat yourself up, don't hate yourself for feeling like you're drowning in quicksand, AND REACH OUT HANDS AND ASK FOR HELP -- I can SAY all those things, and I know FROM EXPERIENCE that doing it is still a lot harder
CChuuni
but you're not alone, I'm with you even if you can't see it/feel it
CChuuni
People don't give themselves enough credit for all they're capable of.
Exacerangutan
anyway, sorry to derail
CChuuni
You can definitely change all of humanity yourself alone, and you might never see it -- like Van Gogh.
CChuuni
nah it's perfectly on topic
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I KNOW THAT ISN'T COMFORTING
CChuuni
I got told this every moment I was suicidal from pain I KNOW VERY WELL IT IS NOT COMFORTING AT ALL
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But it's true all the same.
Exacerangutan
I mean I won't, but that is the most feels part of that episode
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Don't say that
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You might.
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You don't know.
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Do you think Van Gogh ever thought he would?
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And he didn't just change the art world
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He very definitively changed and revolutionized our understanding of health and antibodies.
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No less through his art. That's EXTREMELY powerful.
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And all because he didn't know how to make lines
Exacerangutan
on the short list of things about which I'm confident
CChuuni
He helped Doctors come to better understand 1) bipolar 2) migraines & auras 3) like I said, antibodies, 4) depression 5) society etc.
CChuuni
I'll make you a bet. If there's no afterlife, nothing happens, so the bet is moot. But if you're right (and there is an afterlife though) you can take me to task and put me on a mission/goal/adventure of your choosing. If I'm right and you change humanity more than you ever expected/thought possible, we get to go see the effects in action and I will enjoy
CChuuni
your embarrassment
Whatson
Half-Life: Alyx (Zero Punctuation)
you should watch this. it has peanut M&Ms mentioned in it
CChuuni
ok and oooh
Whatson
I regret and not regret not getting a VR headset
CChuuni
same
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otoh: I can't play all the games I have so there's that
CChuuni
otoh: shiny toys
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Tez on Twitter
cats are liquid
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