ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
So binged deputy and like ran smack into the reason I can never date. Lol like... gender identity is so weird. And how can you even date when your brain and body don’t relate and like you don’t actually have intentions of changing that anytime soon and so like.... hng
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like I’m super not comfortable with my girl parts and like while I’m not as viscerally hateful of anything femme about myself anymore as I used to be it’s just like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Just Hng
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And that all combined with the uh just let it be okay if I don’t want to talk to you for a week sometimes I’m just like that!!! And just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I’m gonna be forever alone but I don’t wanna be
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And like it’s hard to even relate to most queer characters I see because like no one is reflecting me really?
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I guess Bishop’s dilemma might be the closest to it
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And like ugh
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
are you me?
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I mess around on tinder Bc in theory I want to have a sex life and date but everything is so binary and it’s like I want either a male or female that treats me like a male but I’m not ... male on the outside and everything about transition is so difficult and I’d probably lose my job and not be able to work in childcare if I tried
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And just the cons don’t outweigh the pros
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But like I’m so so so closed off about myself and I’m impossible to get to really know and I have trust issues and even if someone liked me I think it’s be hard for me to believe it’s not some cruel long con joke
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And like I’m so jealous of the fictional character of Paul from Lone Star like that guy just has his shit together! His gender and sexual identity and he’s just in it
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I mean I guess I just don’t feel so confident because I don’t feel like I could be male if I have no intentions of transitioning but everything in my like brain is just rejecting being female
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I definitely disassociate some with work where like I’m callled Ms and just like my brain doesn’t accept it idk how to explain
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I’m just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Unhappy
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
I got you, babe.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I guess like people could just be like well you can be with straight or bi dude or lesbian or bi girl and just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
God being with a straight guy just doesn’t feel right and being with a lesbian doesn’t feel right and like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
What feels right are generallly straight girls and gay dudes or like bi leaning toward male preference and that’s just
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
i feel you so hard lol
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
throws hands up
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Ok. Get this....I wanna see if you follow MY issue....
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
cause I feel like you might
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like let me just make a fake profile and flirt with gay guys and just never meet up but that’s a shorty thing to do
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Shitty*
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Haha okay
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
I, biological FEMALE, NOT STRAIGHT AT ALL.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
BUT
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
I feel super fluid when it comes to gender. Male, female...never one more than the other.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Now.....I've always felt like I had two sides. The male side. The female side.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
BOTH sides are gay af.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Gay dudes. Lesbian women.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
So it's always a weird ass predicament because its like WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT?
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Be alone forever apparently.
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Like the idea of a dick, near my vagina just makes me so hjfkdhgkjdfndk
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
But at the same time...... sup dicks. lol
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I feel like I was a little more like that when I was younger and I understand it haha. But like god anything near my vagina just no
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
See? C o m p l i c a t e d
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But I love other vaginas and I love dicks
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
same
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
100%
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And just how do I even
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Bc like yeah get hit up by a straight dude but no straight guy is going to get it
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And a gay guy is not gonna be okay with it and a bi guy is gonna see a girl and we’ll lesbians want a chick and I just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like okay I explain stuff with relating to fiction but there’s a scene in pose where Stan tries to touch Angels crotch and she’s just not okay with it because her genitalia didn’t... match her identity and just that scene felt so relatable
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like I don’t even like to. tmi
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
Its a complicated thing, man
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I think a lot of where I say I’m okay not transitioning is more I’ve resigned myself to I just cant transition
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like if I was trying it wouldn’t feel so much like lying to be on like grindr or something
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But like any apps with geared toward queer and trans I just either theyre sparsely ppopulated or have a loooot of creeps
GʀᴇʏGʜᴏsᴛ™️
yeah
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And mostly I’m just like no one will ever be able to deal with me even outside that stuff anyway so what’s the point
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I just isolate myself more and like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Hng I know where a lot of that comes from like 1. A lifetime of being bullied 2. An abuse incident that just ... like that’s a can of worms and
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Everyone has always minimized it and I guess I just am like why even have hang ups when your family didn’t think it mattered
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Idek
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I just am more and more unsatisfied with life
Exacerangutan
my things aren't gender things but I can super sympathize with the harsh self-feels, at least =/
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And utterly unsure of what I can do
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
The last time I had sex is now over 10 years ago. Like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
It’s just never gonna happen again
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I used to joke I didn’t care if people called me he she or it and
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like it’s always just been a shield I guess
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Because I do care but it doesn’t feel like it matters because nothing is going to change? And
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I know I’m not alone in it but I always feel so alone in it
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And god like I can’t even carry on chats in tinder because it’s just always you’re beautiful and like these extremely polarized gendered roles and
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like I identify with Judds character so much because I relate to his character type so much with my upbringing and his marriage is one of the most ideal marriages in my mind and that’s weird almost to relate to the most straight character but like he represents me in so many ways
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But I’m super not straight like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
If I was biologically a dude I’d be bi but if still lean super hard to the gay side
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But like being in a relationship with a straight man just sounds like torture to me
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And likely I’d be able to find a lesbian more accepting but like a lesbian will still be a lesbian and then i know if I ever transitioned then I like wouldn’t be what they want sexually
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Not that I’d want them touching my V anyway
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Hng sorry I’m just having an existential crisis
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And sometimes I wonder if the instance of abuse that happened is what fucked up my gender identity so much and I doubt the validity of anything and idk maybe it’s why I don’t like my v touched but
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I feel like I always felt like a boy and I called myself a tomboy and rejected girl toys and things from like a young age
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I read books and I always dreamed about being the boy cowboy or what not in janette oak books falling in love with strong ladies
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And in lotr I wanted to be Aragorn lol
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Just idk
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Bleh I need to shut up this is just like useless rambling spiraling
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
But I just feel like no one knows me because... I never feel like I’m being myself fully and I’m just scared to let people in
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Because I’m gonna get hurt
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And with dating I’m like in the end it’s like it doesn’t matter anyway I’m fat and ugly either way.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Idk maybe I’ll delete this later. I’m embarrassing
αℓєχ яυzєк
your feelings are always valid and this is your plurk so you should be able to say whatever you want to
αℓєχ яυzєк
and you shouldn't be embarrassed, you're among friends here
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Me
Signing up for okc... I get stuck here everytime and just quit https://images.plurk.com/3ip9deFmRowom2xFrwbUEE.png
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I’m 31 it’s just like too late
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I haven’t even been on a date since I was like 18 and
Gävlebocken
hon, I'm 37 going on 38 and haven't had even a first date yet, you've got time
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
When I did have sex it was living with a poly married couple and that blew up Bc I was 20 and didn’t know how to communicate and then my dad was dying and then roger was blaming me for making Saundra cut herself and then like we didn’t talk and idk
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I think I’ve been thinking a lot about that because Saundra died recently and just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Idek
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I feel like I’m gonna die and I’ll just ... that’s going to be the latest experience I had
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I’m not a romantic. I don’t need an epic love story. I just want a life partner
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I feel that even more so now because this stuff with Sammy like for almost a decade she’s been my platonic life partner and this whole thing is like dissolving an entire life together
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
fwiw: "gender fluid" feels like a good/neutral answer that kind of fits what you've described, imo.

But also 31 is not "too late", you don't have an expiration date for dateability, unless you enforce one on yourself.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
It’s a lot like a divorce it just wasn’t romantic
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I just don’t even feel like gender fluid feels right
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Lol
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Any choice feels not right
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Gävlebocken : just takes u to Olive Garden obviously
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
and tbh I feel a lot like it's impossible to find someone that will fit with me too... because most people are sexual and I've kinda come to realize I'm just ace. it's a thing.
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
and at first I felt weird about saying that, for using asexual as a word to describe myself,b/c I felt like i wasnt "asecual enough* to use thr word... but over the last 2yrs or so, it's really become a thing that fits and feels right. Sometimes I think you have to sit with an idea for awhile before it sinks in and makes sense/feels right.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I also have a problem when I’ve tried dating online friends is I get like the “you’re being clingy”feeling and I just feel suffocated quickly and no one ever knew how to deal with that and it crashed and burned but part of the problem with online is feeling like there’s an immediate need of response and no one made me feel safe that I didn’t have to lol
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
(p.s. if I disappear suddenly it's b/c the melatonin knocked me out & I'll be back when I'm up again lmao)
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Sobs I’ve been sitting with gender issues forever
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Tho like I didn’t know what a trans person was until I was like 19
Gävlebocken
I would happily go to Olive Garden w/you dude
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I didn’t even really understand real gay people existed until I was in high school
Gävlebocken
see also: probably live with you? Though I'm... not a good roommate, I really should live alone but can't for various reasons most of which having to do with how gd expensive it is
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Like I thought it was only in fiction lol
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
do you necessarily need a label, other than Because General Society Likes Boxes?
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Just come live with me lol and we can live in opposite ends and just commune when desired lol
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Idk I guess it feels like I’ll be alone forever if I can’t find a label
Gävlebocken
lol, I was just about to say 'look, we don't even have to talk to each other except via plurk like we do now'
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Bc How do you find your person or persons without one
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Me and Sammy talked almost exclusively through plurk unless we went to eat out and movie
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I think that’s why I shied away from pride stuff Bc it always feels like people always have their shit so together and I’m just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
A mess
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I’m like very like I know I’m queer but just queer isn’t an identity 😂
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
You can’t put “queer” on a dating app
Gävlebocken
I mean, Genderqueer is a thing?
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
but do you need a label, for you? like would you feel better if you could find one you felt fit right or is it, again, societal pressure? because if it's just society idk. I mean fuck society tbh lmfao
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
idk I don't think everyone is so dependent on labels... best as I understand it, even, pansexuality is basically the epitome of "fuck labels, I just love your soul", right?
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
The definition of genderqueer just doesn’t feel me idk
Gävlebocken
and as a friendly neighborhood bisexual, no matter what label you decide fits you're going to have people both with the same label and with other labels telling you you should use a different one
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Yeah I just guess it’s more in a way I know who and what I am but nothing about any societal term feels right because idk just doesn’t
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
For a long time I just wanted to be an it for pronouns because like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I just didn’t feel like I’m allowed to have he and she felt wrong
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
yesh, agreed on Gävlebocken 's last point. it isn't about what other people think, it's what feel a right and fits for you
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And I know logically that’s stupid but I still kind of feel like I’m
Not allowed
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Which is like 99% of my issues because I feel like
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And well there’s stuff I guess I still have a hard time
Saying and coming out
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Because it is just like yeah gonna be judged but I guess I feel like 95% gay guy and like 5% bi guy but like just something about that feels unacceptable to me!
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I’m a mess heh
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
is "they" not a fit for you? and is "it" actually a comfortable thing to you? because ngl feels a little more like you're almost... chastising yourself? almost a punishment for being somewhere between genders on the sliding scale of identity. (and i may be wrong but that's how it kind of reads to me, personally)
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
https://images.plurk.com/4oko5dTyuVpF1FAzx0jlp0.png i quit for real
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
They feels weird I guess
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
And idk it I think was just always a way of pretending it doesn’t matter 😂
𝕧𝕕𝕠𝕧𝕒
alsooo... why does the above 95/5 thing you mentioned up there^ feel unacceptable? you don't have to answer me specifically if you don't want but like...idk I think sometimes pinpointing why a thing makes you feel a certain way can help? haha idk I'm sorry if im not actually being helpful at all rn
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Bc like outward gender disconnect with identity because
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
My body not matching my identity makes sexual identity just
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I think that’s like my biggest issue is like my body is never going to match my gender identity so my sexual identity feels like a moot point
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I feel like Chris Hayes is spying on me
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