Quinamarink
I have a question for people who understand vocaloids
Quinamarink
What's the deal with, like... vocaloid subclasses?
Quinamarink
Like there's the main clan, Miku and Friends
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who are always associated with each other
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but then there's also things like Akane and Aoi, or Hime and Mikoto
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who I guess belong to someone else but still use the same software or something?
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and are never seen on the same stage as miku OR friends
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what's the deal with them
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what's an UTAULOID
Saberface, MSPM
Okay, lessee...
Saberface, MSPM
The characters owned by Crypton, plus Yowane Haku (who was an Internet Creation whose main creator basically gave Crypton "do whatever" privs IIRC) are classified as "Miku and Friends"... In part because they're now on a newer software than Yamaha's VOCALOID.
Quinamarink
but what about before that software shift? isn't that super recent
Saberface, MSPM
Yamaha has some characters they directly own who are the current VOCALOIDS
Saberface, MSPM
It was, yeah, but there was tensions between Crypton and Yamaha for a while apparently
Saberface, MSPM
UTAU is a different vocal simulation software, and its big thing is anyone can create voices for it - which led to a boatload of characters ensuing very quickly.
Saberface, MSPM
In the fandom, it's common to treat the characters as one huge cast. In official marketing which Crypton has long ruled the roost on, not so much obviously
Saberface, MSPM
Apparently part of the issue is Crypton wanted to issue web updates, which Yamaha opposed? So. Weird.
Quinamarink
what are mikoto and hime
Saberface, MSPM
Those two I don't know offhand and would need to look up x_x
Quinamarink
"Japanese VOCALOIDs developed and distributed by Gynoid Co., Ltd" says the wiki
Quinamarink
how do characters like this factor into the "Miku legally isn't a vocaloid" situation
Quinamarink
the rich and varied tapestry of vocaloid culture is fascinating when you consider how Hatsune Miku has about as much canon characterization as Mr. Clean
Slime Dog Story
Quinamarink : oh iirc Crypton owned Vocaloids are the only one now under that weird legal clause
Anyone who isn’t the Crypton 6 is still a vocaloid
Slime Dog Story
Crypton 6 being: Miku, Rin, Len, Luka, Kaito, and Meiko
Quinamarink
So ONLY Miku and friends, the original vocaloids, are not vocaloids
Slime Dog Story
Yep!
Technically they aren’t even the original vocaloids but that’s a whole other thing
Slime Dog Story
In terms of internet vocaloid fandom, Gakupo snd Gumi are often grouped with the Crypton gang despite not being owned by Crypton, mostly bc they came out around the same time
Ai's20thBDay
it was explained up above but the tl;dr:
ScaryAlien
The most Vocaloid of Vocaloids aren't Vocaloids
Ai's20thBDay
- the Crypton Six (so, kaito, meiko, miku, rin, len and luka) belong to Crypton, who have split from Yamaha. They're not associated with Vocaloid anymore.
- Any other characters outside of Yamaha were developed by separate companies. Their voices use the Vocaloid engine, but their characters belong to the original company.
Ai's20thBDay
i
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had something else i was going to add then i forgot
Quinamarink
the Crypton Six (Miku, Rin, Len, Kaito, Luka, Kal El)
Ai's20thBDay
CV07: SUPERMAN
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so I guess my bottom line question
Quinamarink
is like
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what does "VOCALOID" mean now
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who owns that word
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why can non-Yamaha people use it
Ai's20thBDay
Vocaloid is just the software
Quinamarink
right, right
Quinamarink
so the reason the CV6 can't be Vocaloids is they aren't on the software moving forward
Ai's20thBDay
Yep
Ai's20thBDay
That's why you'll hear Teto and characters like her being called UTAUs or utauloids, because the vocal synth they use is called Utau
Quinamarink
oh is that Teto's deal
Ai's20thBDay
Yep!
Quinamarink
I am satisfied with these explanations
Quinamarink
thank you
Ai's20thBDay
She was originally created as an April Fool's joke on 2chan – someone made a fake website and everything promoting her as the new Crypton Vocaloid
Ai's20thBDay
And she got super popular, so she ended up having an actual voicebank made
thetaClysm
while we've got all the vocaloid-knowing people in one place, can i ask a question as well
Quinamarink
yes
thetaClysm
what's the deal with all the people who compose vocaloid songs having names that end with "-p"
Ai's20thBDay
it's a holdover from the idolmaster fandom and idol fandom in general
Quinamarink
I think it stands for Producer
Ai's20thBDay
the "-p" stands for producer
Quinamarink
yes
Quinamarink
I was right!
Ai's20thBDay
originally, people started attaching it to people's screennames as a show of respect, but as the fandom expanded and got bigger, widespread use of it fell out of fashion
Ai's20thBDay
or like, they'd come up with a cutesy nickname for them that described their musical aesthetic and attach the "-p", so their "-p" name basically meant "the producer who makes this kind of music"
thetaClysm
even tokyo mirage sessions had like, a fictional character with a name like that
thetaClysm
because that character made music with vocaloid-with-the-serial-numbers-filed-off
AI Isekai Slop
Is this why Yoshi-P, producer of FF14, has the -P
Quinamarink
yes
Quinamarink
he's the producer
thetaClysm
Oh my god
thetaClysm
I would never have made the connection tbh
Quinamarink
Shirobako also has a something-P character in it
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