Neo Quinn
I have a question for people who understand vocaloids
Neo Quinn
What's the deal with, like... vocaloid subclasses?
Neo Quinn
Like there's the main clan, Miku and Friends
Neo Quinn
who are always associated with each other
Neo Quinn
but then there's also things like Akane and Aoi, or Hime and Mikoto
Neo Quinn
who I guess belong to someone else but still use the same software or something?
Neo Quinn
and are never seen on the same stage as miku OR friends
Neo Quinn
what's the deal with them
Neo Quinn
what's an UTAULOID
NekoIncardine
Okay, lessee...
NekoIncardine
The characters owned by Crypton, plus Yowane Haku (who was an Internet Creation whose main creator basically gave Crypton "do whatever" privs IIRC) are classified as "Miku and Friends"... In part because they're now on a newer software than Yamaha's VOCALOID.
Neo Quinn
but what about before that software shift? isn't that super recent
NekoIncardine
Yamaha has some characters they directly own who are the current VOCALOIDS
NekoIncardine
It was, yeah, but there was tensions between Crypton and Yamaha for a while apparently
NekoIncardine
UTAU is a different vocal simulation software, and its big thing is anyone can create voices for it - which led to a boatload of characters ensuing very quickly.
NekoIncardine
In the fandom, it's common to treat the characters as one huge cast. In official marketing which Crypton has long ruled the roost on, not so much obviously
NekoIncardine
Apparently part of the issue is Crypton wanted to issue web updates, which Yamaha opposed? So. Weird.
Neo Quinn
what are mikoto and hime
NekoIncardine
Those two I don't know offhand and would need to look up x_x
Neo Quinn
"Japanese VOCALOIDs developed and distributed by Gynoid Co., Ltd" says the wiki
Neo Quinn
how do characters like this factor into the "Miku legally isn't a vocaloid" situation
Neo Quinn
the rich and varied tapestry of vocaloid culture is fascinating when you consider how Hatsune Miku has about as much canon characterization as Mr. Clean
Hi, Carol!
Neo Quinn : oh iirc Crypton owned Vocaloids are the only one now under that weird legal clause
Anyone who isn’t the Crypton 6 is still a vocaloid
Hi, Carol!
Crypton 6 being: Miku, Rin, Len, Luka, Kaito, and Meiko
Neo Quinn
So ONLY Miku and friends, the original vocaloids, are not vocaloids
Hi, Carol!
Yep!
Technically they aren’t even the original vocaloids but that’s a whole other thing
Hi, Carol!
In terms of internet vocaloid fandom, Gakupo snd Gumi are often grouped with the Crypton gang despite not being owned by Crypton, mostly bc they came out around the same time
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
it was explained up above but the tl;dr:
New! XC
The most Vocaloid of Vocaloids aren't Vocaloids
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
- the Crypton Six (so, kaito, meiko, miku, rin, len and luka) belong to Crypton, who have split from Yamaha. They're not associated with Vocaloid anymore.
- Any other characters outside of Yamaha were developed by separate companies. Their voices use the Vocaloid engine, but their characters belong to the original company.
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
had something else i was going to add then i forgot
Neo Quinn
the Crypton Six (Miku, Rin, Len, Kaito, Luka, Kal El)
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
CV07: SUPERMAN
Neo Quinn
so I guess my bottom line question
Neo Quinn
is like
Neo Quinn
what does "VOCALOID" mean now
Neo Quinn
who owns that word
Neo Quinn
why can non-Yamaha people use it
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
Vocaloid is just the software
Neo Quinn
right, right
Neo Quinn
so the reason the CV6 can't be Vocaloids is they aren't on the software moving forward
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
Yep
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
That's why you'll hear Teto and characters like her being called UTAUs or utauloids, because the vocal synth they use is called Utau
Neo Quinn
oh is that Teto's deal
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
Yep!
Neo Quinn
I am satisfied with these explanations
Neo Quinn
thank you
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
She was originally created as an April Fool's joke on 2chan – someone made a fake website and everything promoting her as the new Crypton Vocaloid
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
And she got super popular, so she ended up having an actual voicebank made
thetaClysm
while we've got all the vocaloid-knowing people in one place, can i ask a question as well
Neo Quinn
yes
thetaClysm
what's the deal with all the people who compose vocaloid songs having names that end with "-p"
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
it's a holdover from the idolmaster fandom and idol fandom in general
Neo Quinn
I think it stands for Producer
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
the "-p" stands for producer
Neo Quinn
yes
Neo Quinn
I was right!
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
originally, people started attaching it to people's screennames as a show of respect, but as the fandom expanded and got bigger, widespread use of it fell out of fashion
𝗛𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗡𝗲𝘄𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗿!
or like, they'd come up with a cutesy nickname for them that described their musical aesthetic and attach the "-p", so their "-p" name basically meant "the producer who makes this kind of music"
thetaClysm
even tokyo mirage sessions had like, a fictional character with a name like that
thetaClysm
because that character made music with vocaloid-with-the-serial-numbers-filed-off
napalm era
Is this why Yoshi-P, producer of FF14, has the -P
Neo Quinn
yes
Neo Quinn
he's the producer
thetaClysm
Oh my god
thetaClysm
I would never have made the connection tbh
Neo Quinn
Shirobako also has a something-P character in it
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