Luke Skywanker
Well I was gonna tag but I just got called to fill in on the 24 Flames podcast. So now I need to hurry up and watch ... wait for it...

Homeward Bound

WHY ARE WE ROASTING A DOG MOVIE FROM 1993?
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QUICK. HELP ME SETTLE A MARITAL DEBATE ABOUT THIS MOVIE
Luke Skywanker
ok
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are the animals 1) Communicating in animal body language or 2) Communicating TELEPATHICALLY?
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I'm happy to be of service if I have to sit through this
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please discuss on this podcast
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HHAHAHAHA
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I will put it down to discuss!
Luke Skywanker
Excellent topic thank you.
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it turns out my partner and I were in opposite camps on this as children!
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I remember being upset when it came out and they had voices
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thank YOU!
Luke Skywanker
Because I remembered reading the book and I Don't think they... spoke?
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They just... did their things like in most "realistic" books about animals, you know?
Luke Skywanker
I could be wrong.
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like I grew up thinking they just talked between themselves the way animals presumably can in any book featuring talking-but-not-to-human animals!
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it's just understood that there's an animal method of communication that humans can't tap into
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but husbot was like "...I thought they were telepathic."
Luke Skywanker
This was what I was thinking the whole time I was watching Dolittle the other week.
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So
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Me: and they just chose NOT to telepathically communicate with their beloved humans?????
Nick: well..yeah?!
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RDJ had to use a DIFFERENT mode of communication with every species
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but they all understood each other?
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YEAH exactly!!!
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hahaha
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IT MAKES NO SENSE
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Look I know it's a movie about talking animals but you've got to have RULES GDI
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Me: Did you think their fancy upper middle class white people of the 90s home was built on a radioactive dumpsite or something?!?
Nick: YES I THOUGHT THEY WERE MUTANTS
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Nick: OR MAYBE THAT ALL ANIMALS ARE TELEPATHIC, IDK
Luke Skywanker
ok I haven't even watched this and I know he's wrong. But don't tell him that, I'll try to be objective.
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yes, scaling it back to telepathy vs universal animal language!
bluecanary
i always assumed universal animal language
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but yeah, I follow you on the Dolittle thing! I can accept that Dolittle himself is a rare person who can speak the universal animal lingo
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but then it must be UNIVERSAL
Luke Skywanker
They made a point in the movie thought of demonstrating that he used DIFFERENT languages which was a CHOICE THEY MADE
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It's not like they just left it up to the audience to imagine, they SHOWED it
Mυrder Mυғғιɴ
Also discuss how the original Homeward Bound where the animals didn't talk was way better.
Luke Skywanker
And then the kid picks it up like, REALLY FAST
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Mυrder Mυғғιɴ : yes that is in my notes already because fuck this
Mυrder Mυғғιɴ
thank u
Luke Skywanker
I even like Michael J Fox but I am hating listening to him right now
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it almost feels like... condescending? LIke we NEED them to have cute voices?
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MILO AND OTIS DIDN'T NEED VOICES
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also the cat is a girl
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and isn't the cat supposed to be bffs with the bull terrier?
Luke Skywanker
oh I see they made the retriever the old one
PlurkDevi
Wait... Are there 24 Flames per second???
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I didn't know there had been a previous movie adaptation!
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PlurkDevi : natch
Mυrder Mυғғιɴ
The original was from the 60s
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ok this bulldog is cute
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I think it's interesting that this is way more conventional than the actual book. In the sense that like, the cat's a girl and the dog and cat don't get along, etc etc
Luke Skywanker
So w.r.t. the language stuff... it's pretty obvious from the dialogue that the humans are going to leave them there, but the animals don't figure it out until they go. BUT they do understand like... "stay" and they have complete sentences.
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So IS it a different language, i.e. not English?
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aww Jean Smart
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she's so young
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ok but how is the cat representation? it's not just a dog movie, ya know! sassy the cat is a minority in the movie. more solid representation for cats in movies. /waves sign
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hmmmmm animals speak universal but they do not speak human! good point.
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I hate the cat representation
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She's very prissy and "I'm a cat and soooo special" and basically the stereotype of a girly girl cat
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is it the super stereotypical prissy and UUGGHH
Luke Skywanker
in the book the cat and the dog are bffs
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I mean the cat and the bull terrier
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i mean harmless really but cats get such a bad rep in general compared to dogs in media and i have Feelings as an absolutely diehard cat person
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I'm equal opportunity but I do not like this cat
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It's Sally Field being an uptight bitch
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Ok the dog is on the phone and he says he "can't understand a word they're saying when they do this"
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So I do not think they're speaking English
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I wonder if it would have been different if they'd gone with another BREED of cat? Himalayans have that 'I'm so snobby' stereotype aesthetic to them you know? But what if they'd cast a brown tabby? would it have landed the same?
Luke Skywanker
Mmm, that's a good point.
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siamese, himalayans, persians, etc = I Am Fancy
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I do know he wasn't like that in the book but he WAS a Siamese
Mυrder Mυғғιɴ
In the original the cat was siamese but was not Like That.
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he was actually the most useful member of the party
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visual shorthand, but I wonder whether it was chosen to emphasize the girly girl prissy cat thing or just happenstance
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yes because ALL CATS ARE ROGUES
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Yeah IDK
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hahaha
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...my cat is watching
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how are they talking AND barking at the same time?
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ugh the cat has made MULTIPLE references to her weight
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...where did the dog see Rin Tin Tin?
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Is it just me or do only the three mains understand one another?
Luke Skywanker
The bears and chickens and porcupines don't talk
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But Shadow DOES understand the word "home"
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well I didn't so much like that
Luke Skywanker
now I'm watching the 63 version
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https://images.plurk.com/oiiRmpNciTnZwj8zomiX1.jpg hahaha
Skylanth
I remember liking it as a kid, I don’t know if I’d care for it now. The humor seems...dated. But the animal training is super duper impressive at times.
Skylanth
The cat jumps up onto a door and unlocks the cage for the dog at one point by pulling up on a latch or something? I could be remembering wrong and of course there is trickery and people offscreen giving queues but they get some pretty complex stuff out of their critter stars.
Skylanth
Cats can do some really fun training stuff, provided they are treat-motivated enough (a problem with me, apprentice animal trainer and my cat who doesn’t care for conventional cat treats and refuses to eat his kibble from my hand)
Skylanth
(He likes marshmallows but uh...no) anyway. They are super smart and excellent climbers, with good balance and jumping. Very fun for movie “stunts/acting”.
Luke Skywanker
I was a lot more impressed by the 1963 version, actually
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animal acting wise
Skylanth
I haven’t seen it...tbh didn’t know it existed before this thread. I read the book, but I think we all did in school.
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