lily!
[RL/MH] t minus ~4 hours until i'm of majority age and i'm suddenly very keenly aware of the fact that i exist
lily!
it's a weird feeling that i would take my anxiety meds for but i canNOT take them this late or else i'm going to be miserable for hours when i wake up
Friendpatine
I know it's freaky, but congratulations on your imminent adulthood!
lily!
I'm staying up until midnight so I can properly take it all in.
CORGEXANDER
The thing that very few adults will tell you:
CORGEXANDER
Nothing much will change, other than your being allowed to vote or die for your country.
'Being an adult' is something that's largely made up.
ƒεα૨ℓεα∂ε૨
Yes, pretty much. lol
CORGEXANDER
Admittedly the former is pretty important
CORGEXANDER
But you're not gonna magically turn into someone who knows what they're doing, has a 401k and knows how the stock market works when you turn 18
CORGEXANDER
nobody knows what the fuck they're doing
CORGEXANDER
anybody who says differently is a goddamn liar or they've never actually had to struggle with anything
Just A Rat
Yeah. We've all had to struggle through it by the seat of our pants.
Friendpatine
I'm 34 and it still weirds me out when I get called "sir" by people younger than me
Friendpatine
I sure as hell don't think I'm a sir
lily!
Thanks, guys. That... actually helps.
CORGEXANDER
Don't worry about it.
ƒεα૨ℓεα∂ε૨
That's what we're here for.
CORGEXANDER
You're gonna be alright, and if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask, yeah?
Just A Rat
Just remember that you're going to soon-- not immediately, but soon- be entering a part in your life where you start to switch from "Followed the path of primary school" to "can now choose one's path with unprecedented openness"
Just A Rat
and you're going to feel... lost and helpless at first.
Just A Rat
Again-- that's normal.
Just A Rat
It's not something you really recognize as freedom yet, you know?
CORGEXANDER
Definitely don't do what I did and try to figure everything out on your own and not ask for help because you're 'supposed to' be independent
Friendpatine
one of the most important things I ever learned was that there's no timetable for shit; when I hit 25 I had big plans for what I wanted 30 to look like, where I wanted to be, what I wanted to have, all that stuff
Friendpatine
I'm pretty sure absolutely none of those things ended up happening
Friendpatine
but I'm 34 and I'm doin' okay. There doesn't have to be a timetable.
Friendpatine
and absolutely do not base your expectations of success on what other people have or when they had it; everyone goes at their own pace and that's fine.
Just A Rat
^ Yeah. People who have their path already figured out by 18 probably never were making their own decisions.
lily!
I'm definitely going to college—one of my most trusted friends described it as "daycare for newly free adults," which is, like, something I need lol. Even beyond education, having someplace where I can figure out how to take care of myself better is going to be... pretty crucial, I think. But beyond that, like, who the fuck knows?
CORGEXANDER
You might... seriously consider the option of studying abroad
lily!
Really?
CORGEXANDER
It might actually be less expensive that studying here if you live in the US
Just A Rat
Re: college, do yourself a favor and make sure you know what you plan to be doing with the degree you pursue.
CORGEXANDER
weigh all the options
lily!
Game design/dev is always going to be my passion. However, through my actually extensive research, going to college explicitly for that is generally a terrible plan. I'm going for a comp sci degree instead, which is a) more generally applicable, B-) something I can easily use to pivot into the industry, and c) something I can use out of the industry too.
lily!
god damnit plurk emotes
Bah Humbug
As someone who went to school for Computer Science... you wanna thing really, really hard about angling yourself in that direction.
Bah Humbug
think*
Bah Humbug
That industry in particular has extremely high rates of burnout.
lily!
Oh?
Friendpatine
Crunch is a hell of a thing
Bah Humbug
Yeah.
Bah Humbug
My original plan was game design. I now work at a university on their tech staff.
lily!
That's probably what's going to happen to me, honestly.
Bah Humbug
I never ended up going to a dev company at all because of all the horror stories. (And also I'm female and that's not a culture I'm willing to tolerate.)
Friendpatine
It's an industry-wide problem. Some studios are doing something about it, but a lot of the big AAA studios still expect and encourage a crunch culture
lily!
Like, as much as I have Dreams and Aspirations of game design and- god, yeah
Bah Humbug
Yeah.
lily!
That's the thing.
Bah Humbug
I mean, image manipulation in particular is super interesting! But.... the places I could go to work in it are not so much.
Bah Humbug
The good news is a CS degree opens lots of different doors.
Bah Humbug
And if you find a secondary interest, you can always parlay CS into that pretty easily.
lily!
Yeah, that's why I'm planning on taking that instead of something specifically in game design.
Bah Humbug
It's a good plan!
lily!
Like. Most of the game design degrees that I've seen are either extremely shady or have a good pedigree but horrible cultures and environments around them.
lily!
I already have a decently good brain for design. I've already learned a lot on my own.
lily!
But the actual dev side of things is where I really need help, ultimately. And the design degrees' main "upside" is that they give you an opportunity to pivot straight into an entry-level position in a AAA company.
Bah Humbug
Yeah, the only good one I can think of off the top of my head is the one at Carnegie Mellon, but I think that's graduate level, anyway.
lily!
Which is
lily!
Super Not something I want to do
Friendpatine
You've got a good head for mechanics and the like if your MoE work is any indication; you might consider tabletop game design instead of video; like at Wizards or Paizo
Friendpatine
I don't tend to hear horror stories about the grueling work hours of Dungeons & Dragons
lily!
I might look into Wizards, but I have mixed feelings about Paizo for personal reasons.
Friendpatine
Fair enough.
lily!
And that's not even discussing Paizo's recent quality nosedive, oof
lily!
Also, like
lily!
Tabletop gaming companies are a bit more likely to be welcoming of trans people, I think???
lily!
Which would honestly be one of the biggest barriers to entry for me if I wanted (for some extremely bad reason) to try and shack up with a AAA studio.
♰ Javert ♰
Bah Humbug yes, CMU. As a CMU alum
♰ Javert ♰
One of my friends took that graduate course
♰ Javert ♰
she is a writer for a gaming company now i believe
♰ Javert ♰
Agree with everything Bah Humbug says overall, comp sci is valuable, lots of opportunities, but tons of burnout and game dev culture is rough
♰ Javert ♰
like the head honchos don't give a fuck about their employees rough
ƒεα૨ℓεα∂ε૨
Yea, your stuff at MoE was always amazing.
♰ Javert ♰
high turnover, high game's finished, you're fired
lily!
Yeah. That's why I want to get into indie dev, tabletop dev, or both.
♰ Javert ♰
so i'd be mentally prepared for that going in
♰ Javert ♰
yes
♰ Javert ♰
indie dev is definitely where it's at
Bah Humbug
Yeah, if I were even going to consider that world, I'd only go indie.
Bah Humbug
I'm not, I actually super hate programming. I decided on CS purely based on $$$
lily!
oh that is 100% valid honestly
♰ Javert ♰
Bah Humbug my husband went to CMU for the programming then realized nope after taking Concepts of Math
lily!
i'm like neutral on programming but i have a decent head for it so
♰ Javert ♰
totally fucking out the window because that class kills everyone's passion for CS unless you're serious
♰ Javert ♰
he did information systems instead
♰ Javert ♰
which is CS adjacent
♰ Javert ♰
CS-lite
Bah Humbug
There's also heckin' good money in networking if you do the certification crap for it.
♰ Javert ♰
yessss
Bah Humbug
We just lost our networking guy at work because one of our vendors poached him, I think.
Bah Humbug
With like double the salary.
♰ Javert ♰
can't blame him tbh
Bah Humbug
ANYWAY. Re: being 18... the thing that impacted me the most was the sudden weighty knowledge that if I fucked up and got arrested again it would be Permanent. So like... Don't Do That.
lily!
I'm too much of a square for that, thankfully.
Bah Humbug
Good!
Bah Humbug
Because I know too many college kids who have had close calls in that regard because they were dumb and went drinking before they were legal. And the idiots who bought them the alcohol in the first place
lily!
The one good thing my mom's bartender ex-boyfriend did while he raised me was drill it into my head how much of a terrible idea it is to get blind drunk/get high in a public venue
Bah Humbug
That is extremely good advice.
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