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[bojack] [cw suicide/talks of self harm NOT FOR ME but just gestures at this show] okay thoughts on the finale before i lay back down
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SO FIRST UPT
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i'm really, really glad Bojack didn't die
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at first i was convinced he had and thought yea that seems about right
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but after seeing diane it was like holy shit yeah
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bojack did not deserve to die and cause even more pain the people who tried to support him
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so i'm glad diane didn't end up with that burden
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since from bojack's perspective in the episode, he's calling diane just to hear her voice, as a comfort as he accepts his death
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BUT IN REALITY
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HE'S LEAVING A DRUNKEN MESSAGE AT 4AM ON HIS FRIEND'S PHONE
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BLAMING HER THAT SHE DOESN'T LOVE HIM ENOUGH IF SHE DOESN'T COME STOP HIM
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and that's fuuuuucked up
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and i'm so glad the finale ends with p much every person (barring Mr. PeanutButter) finally cutting their ties and establishing their boundaries with him
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everyone had done so except Princess Carolyn and Diane, and even PC is reluctant to
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but she does!
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i actually cried a little for PC
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since she's the type of character that could so easily fall into cliche of "working woman would be s omuch happier if only she HAD A BABY AND A MAN!!!"
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and she does get a baby and a man
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but it's on her own terms
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when she adopts she actively rejects her former boyfriend who is like we can do this together
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as she had to come to terms with I'm fine being on my own
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and she IS
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PC is just...so good
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she builds her company from the ground up, she raises an adopted child on her own for a few years
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its not until she finally has as handle on her life does she go okay NOW
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i think i'm ready to let someone else in on my life
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and that person is judah, who 10000% respects her and does not question competence once ever
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in contrast to bojack who's been tearing her down her entire life
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and bleh idk i'm just, really happy for this fictional pink smooshed cat lady with a baby porcupine lol
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anyway back to diane
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since what she says in the last ep ties directly back to bojack's 2nd interview
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where he denies he has any power over the people he's hurt
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he did have power over diane! He was about to leave her with the burden of it's your fault im dead and diane was ready to believe it
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it almost sabotaged her happiness!
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but no
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i just really, really appreciate the message of
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you can love someone DEARLY...but still recognize they are not good to have in your life
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so the show ends with her cutting him off
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and i'm really, really happy with that cuz it just isn't said enough
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because bojack as a character is simultaneously likable and awful
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and he keeps falling into his same habits, but waht keeps coming back and wanting him to do better is that he does learn a little, each time
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and each bounce back a little better than before
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I think if he does continue volunteering at prison he could get back on track, especially if he's living with Mr. PB now
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which is somethign s1 bojack could never manage
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he and PB are legitimately friends now and PB is probably the one person he can't damage due to PB just being himself
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anyway i did think it was sad we didn't have time to touch on the repurcussions of absolutely cutting someone off of any support whatsoever
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because when bojack gets cancelled, who reaches out to him? .....other scumbags
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telling him 'many all those women are liars, you're fine we can make a comeback' and it's like whoooof
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*man
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to his credit bojack does recognize this and it looks like he's trying ot back away from those creepers but
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he spirals anyway after hollyhock rightfully cuts him off too so
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whooooo knows.
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extrinsicality: NOT GONNA LIE THE LAST 8 EPS ARE FUCKING ROUGH
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PHYSICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE ROUGH, AT POITNS
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But i really respect the writers for going this route and not being like
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bojack is magically redeemed, all the people he hurt don't matter ~he's good now~
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and at the same time he's not punished in an unrealistic way
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he has 14 months of jail since a lot of the stuff he did wasn't technically illegal, just fucking scummy
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but as a result he has lost his ENTIRE support net aside from PB
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said support net still cares
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but they're going to care from a distance
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and focus on themselves and their own happiness now
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and todd being one of the first people who cut bojack off back in what, season 2??
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is just like, you gotta keep trying man
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and bojack ending that way felt really good?? because bojack tells diane 'life's a bitch and you die'
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and she snaps back 'or sometimes you keep living'
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shit happens and you will need to live with it
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sometimes death happens and thats the end of it too
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but mostly, you live with the shit you've done
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bojack does not get to escape that and i'm glad
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he doesn't deserved to end on being mourned after harming so many people
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so i'm just....really grateful for it
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and yet still hopeful maybe he'll get his shit together
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and the show ends in a way that maybe he will maybe he won't
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but that's not the viewer's problem or his friends'
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just whew
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i've really enjoyed the ride of this show as it's been deeply cathartic for me
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ooooh. man this sounds like it will be hard but rewarding to get through. thanks for posting your thoughts!!!
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YEAH I'M NOT DISSATISFIED AT ALL
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there are a few loose ends you're like but what happened to x but
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even without being cancelled thats just the nature of the show
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(and there are some hints scattered around that will provide answers too)
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so yea
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okay finale aside some other thought
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the first ep is hard to watch because it is so feel good
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bojack genuinely tried to turn himself around
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he was a legitimately good teacher, and was never inappropriate with any of the class
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tried so hard to relate to hollyhock and support her, not knowing that she had found out what he did in arizona
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it really was a a glimpse into 'this is who bojack could be if not for the trail of abuse he left behind him'
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Mr. PB i'm also proud of for finally trying to learn how to be alone
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as Pickles, just like diane said, was young and growing up
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joey whatever is a lot like PB but has more room for her to grow and do a job she loves rather than just beign at home being PB's wife
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stop dating young women and just be besties with Bojack now PB
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give me their roomies spinoff
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todd and maude are cute and ace and love them lots
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but for real maude has a cute design, i wish we got time to see her more but alas
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judah is continuously best boy
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OH WAIT THE OTHER THING
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I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS DIANE'S EP
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on Good Damage
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because lord was that
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fucking relatable
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she's on antidepressants now and trying to write a memoir
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but constantly asking herself was the shit i went through actually interesting
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does it make me special
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does it mean anything
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surely all the trauma and bad shit i went through meant SOMETHING
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it has to have been Good Damage to shape me into what i am??
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or is ti just damage with no meaning??
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am i blowing it all out of proportion? having hard life means nothing? then what did i go thru it for?
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me just sitting her like 
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she ends up writing a highly successfule kids book instead and doesn't realize everything she's gone thru has shaped her into this person who can write these amazing books
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and its just like, wheeze
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i love diane a lot she's the most relatable and by timelines is probably what, 39 now?? who knows
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but girl i get u
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also her boyfriend is the best i love Guy
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last thing is the View from Halfway Down
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i don't know if that's the episode title or just secretariat's poem but
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i've been uncomfy before plenty watching bojack but this was like
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a new level of discomfort
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i don't know why it just really cut deep
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possibly because i've had dreams similar, sitting casually in a room talking to people have passed away, like my grandparents
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shout out to everyon'es voice actors fuckign nailing this
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it was just haunting i guess??
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and i like how the final op of the show really ties everything together
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with bojack fading in and out of the worse parts of his life only to fall into the pool
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and usually there's pb and diane looking down to help him, but not this time
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just really...oof
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anwyay i'm really glad to have experienced this show and as it is now, i hope it isn't picked back up
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since it's nice to have more shows to tell people cutting out toxic shit is okay
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you can love them, but it's okay
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now my head is starting to hurt again so i'm laying back down wheee