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[something awful] lmao seeing a thread for 'lgbt+' people in the anime forum and watching them attack a gay dude for not phrasing things right and automatically decrying him as a 'straight ally' is like. yeah that's a microcosm of the worst parts of the movement right there
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esp when he said multiple times he's not sure about shit and it resulted in 'OH THE STRAIGHTS AREN'T ALLOWED'
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also this is DEPRESSINGLY common in the anime subforum because for some reason all the low effort no capitalization tumblr refugees hang out there
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god help me I actually miss when they got snooty about shonen manga. can we go back to those days
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(also basically none of the people who called him that shit apologized once he clarified beyond one person because they automatically had him on ignore lmao :V)
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THIS IS HOW YOU ALIENATE PEOPLE AND WHY A LOT OF GAY DUDES ARE HEADING TO THE ALT-RIGHT YOU FUCKING MORONS
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On one end, it's good anime doesn't belong to alt-right assholes on the other... IT'S C L E A R some of these people learned their manners on tumblr and present day twitter.
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automatically assuming people are attacking you instead of being misinformed is some of the worst attitudes I've seen pop up from tumblr in the last decade and it kills me because it is legit causing people to break away from the movement
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and yeah, like
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the thread STARTED as a rec for gay/lgbt manga and anime
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which, you know, 100% awesome
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but it became very clear that none of these people want any kind of dissent or discussion that isn't 100% in line with what they personally believe
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I DON'T LIKE THE FACT I HAVE TO FOLLOW anti social justice blogs just for a palate cleanse and basic common sense.
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which, again, kills me that the attitude isn't 'hey, I could potentally use this as a teaching movement and bring someone to a better way of thinking' but instead 'decry them and block so I get to feel superior'
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honestly? it also leads to extreme echo-chamber bullshit if you never allow yourself to read or see an alternative point of view
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your response shouldn't be 'WELL CLEARLY THESE ARE STRAIGHT TROLLS'
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actually no my mistake the 'apology' was 'well we have traumas and the shit you were saying (even though you said multiple times you have no support in your area) made US trigger happy' is
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not a good look
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especially when it was clear they, uh, weren't reading what he was actually saying and going BUZZ WORDS?! when he was trying to communicate something
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like, guys. gals. whatever. I get being defensive, but honestly? chill. People are actively getting driven away due to these attitudes, and it says something that you scream about acceptance and tolerance but shut down anyone the moment they appear to step out of 'what's acceptable'
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this shit is, again, why alt-right and anti-sojus is even a thing - it's a response to an aggressive response to culture and inherent shit in society
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and the response from us has to be 'this cycle stops here' instead of 'b-but it's not OUR fault'
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because at that point, all you've basically done is replace one extremely limiting hegemony for another
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SORRY I JUST....THINK ABOUT THIS STUFF A LOT
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or how it's somehow become 'acceptable' to be aggressive and shut others down in lgbt+ stuff, which....okay this is gonna be a hot fucking take, but is a combo of both insecurity and that cultural biases and how people were raised still affect people
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there's always shit everyone has to unlearn re: society and local culture and it doesn't help anyone if you shut down people mentioning that or pointing it out to you
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and that again cycles back to a lot of the (admittedly deserved) insecurity, because it's REALLY HARD to struggle with that kind of thing and navigate through shit that, if said, might make you question that already fragile self-determination you're doing
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but like....to suffer and think things out is how humans work. it's how we grow and interact with the world.
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of course they preach tolerance. tolerance is not about acceptance. tolerance is power move by those with privilege who think they can be benevolent and magnanimous by going OH LOOK HOW I ALLOW THESE PEOPLE CLEARLY INFERIOR TO ME TO EXIST IN MY SPACES
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and the LGBTQ+ community is no different really
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yeah, and again, that I feel comes from a place of insecurity?
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it's easy to feel secure when you 'slam' someone for 'being a [word]phobic'
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but that doesn't actually help with your own self-determination
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and tends to make other people go 'well I'm clearly not wanted here'
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especially when majority of those who are the loudest are white people who are socialized into seeing themselves as always the ones with the most important opinions while also being The Most Threatened And At Risk
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GOD YEAH
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hhhhhonestly if I can also bring class into this
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it's. the ones who grew up in what used to be called 'middle class'
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yep
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when you live below the poverty line/are disabled you LEARN the difference between 'percieved microagressions' and 'guess what, you have to fucking fight for every scrap of things you get while the government basically decries you for 'not bootstrapping yourself'
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'guess what you have to willingly dehumanize yourself in order to survive, whee'
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like, I realize being white myself means I have a privledge inherent that I can cost on
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but also straight up if you are poor and white you basically get a double helping of 'well you should be better than this, why aren't you'
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or the assumptions you have shit inherently that you....just don't
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again, my own experiences, just
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part of that, IMO, is they recognize their huge class disparity creates a dissonance for them so they latch on to whatever makes them superior in some way.
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pretty much
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which is also why a lot of the working poor are also super religious and super racist and super anti-LGBTQ+
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PRETTY MUCH
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because religion gives them a reason and racism and homophobia give them people they can blame
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this also goes into that most of the working poor have less opportunities for education and just....opportunities in general
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case in point, I basically am still not in college because I cannot financially support myself through it
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because they are told that being poor is their fault by they're white so it can't be their fault so it must be God's Plan or Those Evil Immigrants or Corrupt Sinners
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*but they're white
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and when I WAS, the school I was at changed their shit so the classes I had attempted and dropped counted against me for getting financial aid
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even though it was me not failing classes but trying to determine a schedule that worked for me'
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schools love to fuck over poor people
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and then when on probation, I failed a class because I had an undiagnosed learning disability
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and people like to insist that black people get "free rides" in college for being black but uh...I was poor as fuck and black and still had to take out loans for my last two years of college
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oh by the way, getting THAT offcially documented is a fucking bitch because all the tests cost hundreds of dollars
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and i wouldn't have survived if it wasn't for my mom being a disabled vet which got me an added grand a month from the VA
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yeah, I'm. my mother is disabled and like. me going to school actually cut all my food stamps because I wasn't working and just going to school.
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yep.
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because I have to, due to laws in this state, do 80 hours of work or volunteering a month
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I wanted to be in that thread to discuss gay anime's
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so LITERALLY a part time job w/ volunteering because there's no fucking way I can get a job in retail with my current issues
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I didn't wanna be in that thread to relive middle school
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they do a lot to fuck over poor people in ways that even if they do give you some help financially they make it hard to get OR they make it very easy for them to take away
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LMAO YEAH LIKE
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it's. basically middle school
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I still don't know what akanesasu shoujo is about
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and if you aren't all lower case with no puncuation and flippant you don't get to sit at the cool kids' table
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lesbian anime
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and it's not like....anything groundbreaking either
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it's basically the same psuedo-intellectual bullshit that takes away from that it's very clearly made by dudes
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much like Yuri Kuma Arashi which OH GOD I COULD RANT ABOUT THAT SHIT FOR HOURS
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honestly the only show I've seen that metaphorically explores someone coming to the realization that they're gay is flipflappers
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like, in a better way and that has a LOT of naked women in it
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but like....it basically handles it in a way that feels authentic
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at least to a 'oh god I like girls what do' mindset of a woman
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oh yeah tho akanesasu shoujo is another 'magical girls!!' thing but again: Flip flappers did it better
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This reminds me of how Funi just dropped Interspecies Reviwers, not cause it's basically porn, but because of misconstrued context of a scene being considered transphobic
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But like...worse cause it's the community shitting on each other and not a company being dumb
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Also I think a big issue with a lot of lgbt anime is Japan is super conservative about these ideas and outside of some shoujo titles most of the content is weird fetishizations anyways, so it's really just a depressing scene all around
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...that or their high concept as fuck like Utena
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which just...gets way to into it's...whatever it's doing
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Like too many people in the western anime scene are out here thinking a artform made by mostly Japanese people...will reflect their ideas on things.
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And from what we know... the Japanese claim to know less lgbt people than us. so what do think the anime/manga scene will be? it is changing. studios, shinigami tasogare is RIGHT there R I P E for adaption.
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unrelated to lgbt but related to cultural differences, i straight up got in an argument with someone about why Sakura didn't drop her childhood crush on Sasuke because it was a childhood crush and they refused to acknowledge that Japan's handle on romance is as fucked as it is.
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People just don't get that other countries are different just cause their media appeals to us
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oh man. people who don't get how japanese romance stories work...
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What's double fucked about that is Kishimoto literally based how he hooked up with his wife as part of the plot for Naruto the Last
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specifically the scarf part
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so like....Japan's culture is just like that and they'll shove it in if there as it's observed and experienced and yet also wonder why the birthrate is down
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Yeah Hinata is based on his wife iirc which is why she was always going to get Naruto. Like he toyed with having Sakura "move on" with Naruto but ultimately decided that she "wasn't the kind of girl to betray her feelings," remember?
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So they legit think a girl moving on from her first love/crush is "betrayal."
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Or at least he does.
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everything about how Sakura works is shit
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and Kishimoto basically had every girl fucking phase into the background and barely get development so...whatever
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Sorry for the diversion, back to LGBT
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nah tbh
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you also see that narrative in western works
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though it's becoming less as the years go on
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though we don't have the 'betrayal' aspecrt
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and ngl I believe the 'betrayal' stuff is mired in japan's sexism issues
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like, again, jp also really has issues with the 'asshole is actually a good person but can't show it' stuff
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along with the 'hmmm well, they abused you for your own good'
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along with just 'guys...kishimoto is just not a good author'
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although let's be real, that's majority of the late 90s/early 00s shounen manga writers
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like i don't care what anyone says 90% of those manga are not as well written as we thought they were back then and majority of them are shitty to their female characters
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and the more popular it is, usually the worse the female characters get treated
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I will not deny this but I still prefer a number of them to other subjects
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especially noawadays where shoujo is so under represented all you have to read is fucking wuxia, isekai, and shonen
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Oh me too. I accept how terrible they are but Naruto took up a long time of my life
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No take backs at this point
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yeah
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i think the only series I started in the 90s and finished in the 2000s/is still going that i don't regret is One Piece and even that took a long time to get to a point where people besides the guys did stuff
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