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[shut up about starwars quinn][spoilers] I want to talk about the climax and Jenny Nicholson's talk about how she thought it was gonna go because it's a substantial improvement
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at the end of episode 9
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Rey's all up in Palpatine's business
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and Palps is like "YES. GOOD. GIVE INTO YOUR HATE. IF YOU KILL ME THEN YOUR HATRED WILL TURN YOU INTO THE ULTRA SITH. DO IT COWARD"
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first of all all you had to do here was shut up for ten seconds
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but then he opens the skylight and is like "ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T KILL ME, NOW YOU HAVE NO CHOICE"
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and Jenny's thought at that moment was that THIS was the moment when Palpatine, in his eagerness to get hate murdered, accidentally played himself
Rama
first of all all you had to do here was shut up for ten seconds you'd think he'd have learned from making this exact same fuckup with Luke
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because like
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Jedi SUPER can kill people
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what they can't do is kill out of hatred
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but in imperiling Rey's friends, he gave her something to protect by taking his life, so that his death would be motivated by compassion for others rather than hatred of him
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Palpatine's death isn't a magic trigger, it's giving into hatred
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so the reason for killing someone absolutely matters
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jedi kill people all the goddamn time, remember when samuel l. jackson wrecked jango fett's shit and it was kind of awesome because of course it was
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that's Silly
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and if Rey puts Palpatine out of everyone's misery in order to protect the people she loves
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that's super Jedi kosher
kamikasei
Is it okay if I post a (minor) Clone Wars spoiler because it's relevant to several of these threads
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sure
kamikasei
kamikasei
Although this is more the scenario of Kylo being the one to swoop in for the kill, in the tRoS case
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"I'm not going to kill you because I hate you, I'm going to kill you because if I don't then trillions of innocent people will die"
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"That's a pretty reasonable motive"
kamikasei
The movie leaned hard into the weird problem the franchise has of "it's cool to kill tons of people on the way to the baddie, but killing the baddie makes you as bad as them"
Niamh Vibes
The ideal ending would have absolutely tied into one of the big lines at the end of Last Jedi: "We don't win by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."
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exactly!
Ex-ocolonist
nods
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legit
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I want more of "If you kill me, then you're just as bad as me!" "What? That's stupid, killing ten thousand civilians is not identical to killing one mass murderer in order to prevent a mass murder"
Rama
That would have required Abrams to admit TLJ happened
kamikasei
It worked better in RotJ, I think, because there when Sheev's taunting Luke, you get the sense that it's quite possible he doesn't think Luke actually stands a chance of hurting him
bitchin camaro
i love it when people call him sheev, it just makes me smile
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Sheevy Sheev's Big Adventure
kamikasei
And there's no obvious reason why killing the Emperor there would help the Rebel fleet, who are being killed by the Imperial fleet and the Death Star, not by Sith magic
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that'll be the title of my interquel that explains how he survived RotJ to show up in RoS
Rama
If you believe the idea that Palpatine in this movie is the original's corpse basically being puppeted by a Sith Hivemind, that technically makes this Weekend at Sheev's
kamikasei
So there it's "I want to provoke you into trying to kill me, for no other reason than that you really, really hate me"
bitchin camaro
WEEKEND AT SHEEV'S
oh i'm scary
yeah I mean that's pretty much explicit because it works
oh i'm scary
Luke takes a swing
oh i'm scary
and is immediately blocked by Vader
kamikasei
...Actually there's something they could have done with RotS
kamikasei
Since there are all those parallels between Vader and Luke in their fight, with Luke looking at his own cybernetic hand, etc.
Ex-ocolonist
god
kamikasei
Have Vader's fall come when Anakin actually tries to kill Sheev
Niamh Vibes
of course there's another possibility
Niamh Vibes
Sheev wants his death to be witnessed as many people as possible
Niamh Vibes
to find the guy who will see him day and let him become a force ghost
Niamh Vibes
*die
Niamh Vibes
Luke's dead, gotta find the next kid who turns corpses into ghosts
oh i'm scary
hey can we acknowledge the BULLSHIT
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god
oh i'm scary
that is, in a series where we talk about them by abbreviating the subtitles
oh i'm scary
there is a RotS and a TRoS
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the fucking Luke Theory will never die
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praise
kamikasei
Yeah I've just been quietly not drawing attention to that while being annoyed by it every time I type either
kamikasei
...What if Snoke was Luuke
Niamh Vibes
its an issue
kamikasei
Created with exactly this motive
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steeples fingers
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but if that is the luke theory, that luke makes force ghosts
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which luke is it
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smaller luke or bigger luke?
kamikasei
Bigger Luke makes Bigger Ghosts
kamikasei
You think that Snoke in TFA was a hologram?
kamikasei
You fool
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steeples fingers
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i think we've cracked it
bitchin camaro
the sole disadvantage to TLJ is that i can no longer search for the post about dying in front of luke skywalker to create a force ghost
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