Luke Skywanker
Flood plotting. Okay, Luke/Bill and Spike/Iris. I'm excite.
Luke Skywanker
Lady Stardust and bluecanary get in here (unless you called me somewhere else first)
Lady Stardust
I am excite
Luke Skywanker
WHAT SHOULD THEY TRADE?
Luke Skywanker
not tolerance for booze i think they're equal there
Lady Stardust
Maybe species?
Luke Skywanker
So this might be complicated, and IDK how to do it, but would it be... at all instructive for Iris to get his... whatever "lack of soul" means? It's hard because it's so gd nebulous in canon...
Lady Stardust
depends. What do you need it to mean?
bluecanary
rolls up to this HELLO
bluecanary
want me to wait until you're done figuring out spike? seems economical
Luke Skywanker
bluecanary : sure, bb
Lady Stardust
I’ve always kind of ignored it because it makes no sense but being a vampire does change people
Lady Stardust
I mean - it’s not going to be the massive change he thinks it will.
Lady Stardust
probably it just weakens the part of you that knows right from wrong a bit and Angelus just ran with it because he’s a huge drama queen
Luke Skywanker
Right. I mean, I guess what I'm trying to get at is something that'll help to put his rehab in perspective. Like, if there's anything that would help her know what he needs as a guide
Luke Skywanker
Would it change her at all?
Lady Stardust
Yeah, she’d give less of a shit about everything
Lady Stardust
a vampire is a cold blooded thing
Lady Stardust
Spike maybe doesn’t realise how much effort it takes just to be himself
Luke Skywanker
Maybe, if it hits her hard, like, he'd realize how much he's already doing
Luke Skywanker
Is part of his problem that he needs to realize he IS a good person?
Luke Skywanker
Unless you want to play with something more dramatic
Luke Skywanker
Or more silly
Lady Stardust
I think that may be part of it, yes
Un(t)sundered
I'm not real familiar with the canon, but from playing with him in the Barge it definitely feels like Spike doesn't think he's a good person?
Un(t)sundered
or that he's "allowed" to be a good person, if that makes sense
Lady Stardust
Yes exactly that
Lady Stardust
And yet he manages anyway
Lady Stardust
he protected Joyce and Dawn and he told himself a story that it was purely to earn Buffy points
Lady Stardust
And it would have been from most vampires
Lady Stardust
But they wouldn’t have made friends with them
Luke Skywanker
But that's because canon told him that, too
Lady Stardust
Yes
Luke Skywanker
Would any of that be fun for you, or help Iris help him?
Luke Skywanker
Or do we do like... IDK...give Iris his obsession with Buffy, lol
Un(t)sundered
that's kind of been a lot of what Tesla's conversations with Spike boil down to, I think? the "that's what canon told him" thing
Lady Stardust
no, I’d say make her a vampire
Un(t)sundered
like, Tesla is shit at articulating that point?
Un(t)sundered
but it's been very much "okay but let's look at this" from him
Lady Stardust
and see how she manages with her conscience mostly dead
Lady Stardust
and he can be a time lord who feels everything
Luke Skywanker
ooh, okay. I wonder how that'll do him
Luke Skywanker
Lady Stardust : side note--where is Spike's vamp powers at right now? What strength?
Luke Skywanker
I can't remember
Lady Stardust
full strength, no restrictions
Luke Skywanker
cool I should've known
Luke Skywanker
ok bluecanary you're back on
bluecanary
\o/
bluecanary
ok
bluecanary
here is my bias I think Luke floating around as a little nice shape, with limbs and maybe a little tunic, would be so cute
bluecanary
but
bluecanary
I'm not sure if we'd get any cool development out of it
bluecanary
because they did already swap bodies once
Luke Skywanker
Haha omg
Luke Skywanker
chibi Luke
bluecanary
POCKET-SIZE FARM BOY
Luke Skywanker
ok but what might Bill actually benefit from? if anything.
bluecanary
I am pondering
bluecanary
being able to briefly sense Leia's emotions during that switch threatened to tip over his entire world view
bluecanary
because he could feel that she was concerned for another person as much as she would have been concerned for her own safety and that was ?!?!?
bluecanary
something that forces empathy would be ideal, esp something that makes him confront that people aren't mad at him for the Evil Plan because they're hardcore conformists, they're mad because a major choice was made for them without their consent
bluecanary
but howwwwww
bluecanary
also they're mad because of the island thing but mods never asked me abt that so i think it was a coincedence
bluecanary
speaking of major choices being made. if you wanted me to have been responsible for that we should have had a dialogue about it
bluecanary
uhhh
bluecanary
switching parts of backstory could be interesting
bluecanary
dig into nature versus nurture with both of them
Luke Skywanker
ooh
bluecanary
they wouldn't make the same choices as each other but the same starting point maybe
bluecanary
with the comics being out I am now reasonably confident that my roughed-out bill childhood isn't going to get contradicted
bluecanary
it'd be useful for bill to see how a good person would have behaved given his set of circumstances
bluecanary
because his assumptions about it (that a good person wouldnt know when to keep their head down and when to backstab people and would just die) are not correct
bluecanary
and Luke can get a fairly wild window into why bill is Like This
bluecanary
!! and maybe also be a shape !!
bluecanary
oh man oh man oh man
bluecanary
so small so cute
bluecanary
pick him up put him in your backpack
Luke Skywanker
So what are your thoughts about what Luke would've become?
bluecanary
im gonna pplurk infodump!
Luke Skywanker
yay
bluecanary
i have... never seen one of those
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