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[ow/racism/spoilers for latest vid if that still matters]
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> person: /is disappointed that yet another character is same face white woman, makes edit to show that it would have been very easy to at least make her black or something
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https://66.media.tumblr.com/20c7b716b00f54ad03108afe4770bec5/tumblr_phl0v11RjT1r2ct5j_1280.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/439864fd0170989a0e61224360d112a5/tumblr_phl0v0BiuE1r2ct5j_1280.jpg
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> Fucko 1: UM, ACTUALLY, ASHE IS CLEARLY AN ALBINO WOMAN
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> Fucko 1 and 2: ALSO BY GIVING THIS RACEBEND BIG LIPS, YOU'RE THE RACIST ONE
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> op: i'm a black woman with big lips, fuckheads
Gayple
tbh even if blizzard was trying to make her albino, she's not pale enough for that
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yeah, like. i have seen actual pictures of people with albinism.
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he is clearly just being a fuckboy
Gayple
yeah
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https://66.media.tumblr.com/e2379baf0708d0cb99ee3c3be3bbb84a/tumblr_inline_nnb7vj6xMP1rmxp5x_500.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/4bf81dc1228636808f8d846d0825eadb/tumblr_inline_nnb7vtnG7J1rmxp5x_500.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/f09d5249cb90cab1fe7f1acdb605e5f7/tumblr_ngo5y0UEhZ1tqu7vbo3_500.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/df106fcecb5741344fc3f6fd2b95e9b2/tumblr_n30kupgO0o1qb6jujo3_500.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/25eeeb1556cd59b638bbe9150a135c89/tumblr_n30kupgO0o1qb6jujo4_500.jpg
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(also I am torn on the race thing personally, because on the one hand I do want more diversity, but on the other this is a villain and adding a fourth villain who is not white (After Reaper, Sombra, and Doomfist) does not seem like a good idea)
Gayple
just give us more former Overwatch members jfc game
duck bastard
yeah that's what i thought to but I think her being a widow clone is just really grinding on people right now
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also
https://66.media.tumblr.com/2a09af1a1fcc0de4e6255b9be994710f/tumblr_p4s2uktnI31rk49mjo1_500.jpg
Gayple
I'd like it if her sniping stuff didn't involve zoom, like how hanzo's doesn't
Just Rakath
I'm torn on the race thing cause while she's not villain villainous, she is definitely on the baddie side of the spectrum. Also I probably would have made her Native or Latina over anything else given- well, the tropes they're going for here.
duck bastard
like I said: people are just getting sick of sameface white chick no matter what side she's on
Gayple
tbh even if she's white, she SHOULD be tanned because New Mexico sun. It looks like someone from far north is visiting New Mexico and forgot her sunscreen.
Gayple
so it's a failure on that front too
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but sameface white girl :c
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also someone pointed out how... jarring her model looks in the animation compared to McCree's
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e1ca60990b24ec9010cf801ba2bf5470/tumblr_phld8e35WN1qep3h6o1_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/ed3ae3fdd9e5324ef4d55c146f60c37b/tumblr_phld8e35WN1qep3h6o2_540.jpg
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The camera switching back and forth between McCree’s semi-realistic scruffy face and an anime girl from League of Legends is so jarring it hurts they don’t even look like they’re from the same series.
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AND WHILE I'M HERE
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e1ca60990b24ec9010cf801ba2bf5470/tumblr_phld8e35WN1qep3h6o1_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/8d4686518d42e770ef83935f625ee296/tumblr_phkz8b78xU1u64fp0o1_540.jpg
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does mccree look a little paler in the animation or is it just me
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...also i admit to liking this person's edits better becaue they gave him freckles
https://66.media.tumblr.com/c20591b35bfff2b8d8e26645d8120a6e/tumblr_inline_phl2dtxz3i1vrl88c_500.png https://66.media.tumblr.com/d086e82d70b8959bee9746d2b5431e63/tumblr_inline_phl2l124HI1vrl88c_500.png https://66.media.tumblr.com/422da840595af7579801c6f8d4b725a6/tumblr_inline_phl2dgPAOl1vrl88c_500.png
Gayple
freckles are a good addition yes
andalite!
I wanna like her, she does seem cool, but... yeah.
duck bastard
yeah, i'm here for future scifi bandit, i'm here for her outfit, i don't mind what i saw of her gameplay, but just... the rest of her design just does nothing for me
andalite!
yeah.
hell she could keep the red eyes and white hair, it's the future, I'm sure people can choose that.
it's just a pity she's another skinny white lady.
duck bastard
I don't know, the white hair isn't quite doing it for me either.... but i can't quite articulate why 8Ta
MR SEPHIROTH
idk, it's just kind of flat and boring? are there even any characters with curly hair?
duck bastard
i think the closest we have is wavy hair, like what sombra has... 8Ta I'd have to double check
Gayple
yeah I don't remember any wavy hair
Gayple
Efi does, but she's a lore character, not playable
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
yeah i haven't really been a fan of overwatch character design at all but this is the point where i am yawning so hard that my jaw is starting to crack a little
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oh my god...
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> James: i don't think fucko 1 is actually familiar with albino people
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> A dumbass: GOD, ACTUALLY /links a video to albinism, links this image
https://66.media.tumblr.com/e60b3ae2b58dc0baaa0e39eb072ddab1/tumblr_phmjd1VQYt1u2i2bx_500.jpg
Just Rakath
The White Flat Hair is both easy to animate but also hard to shade. Which gives it a very... dead look? The styling is nice but it suffers the same problem that Halle Berry Storm wigs had.
Just Rakath
Giving volume makes it harder to animate, but it'd do something even in stills that'll make it feel more realistic.
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Banana🍃Leaf
https://images.plurk.com/5esPZqeFOmF5dHRyBHHSWH.jpg so one of the concept art designs had her as a poc..one..out of 5 designs
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smh
MR SEPHIROTH
...wow they even managed to choose the most boring of the white lady designs
Banana🍃Leaf
Right? I thought the other ones were pretty cool.
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also, from left to right- actual cowgirl, fallout raider, vampire slayer, biker, vague hand wobble
Banana🍃Leaf
https://images.plurk.com/6V20M1AFmqnfYu4xl0dOI0.jpg
Banana🍃Leaf
Altho redead makes me think of widow
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yeah, the headpiece only adds to the widowness of ashe's face
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but now with this concept art, it really is nailing it for me that it is the hair color combined with that particular hair cut
MR SEPHIROTH
yeah I like the white hair on facescarf gal
MR SEPHIROTH
it's got some personality
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also this whole discussion is just making me want to look up concept mercy again
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a dreadfully attractive man
https://66.media.tumblr.com/f13bd66e27d6c27b22f6b94423b6e5fc/tumblr_oxyovneJp81rv3y8qo2_400.png
Banana🍃Leaf
Omg that was concept mercy?!?!
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
ugh why is he so hot
Banana🍃Leaf
Now thats an angel
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indeed
Usagi
muffled we could have had it all
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
and why did blizzard choose not to go with this
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
oh right
Banana🍃Leaf
Hes beautiful
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https://66.media.tumblr.com/f300bddc61ab1fdd153cac8c6003e18e/tumblr_oxxiw4Pmpr1qep3h6o1_1280.jpg
shoutout to otherwindow
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https://66.media.tumblr.com/69f4953073e4c16195a5f9a940c875ec/tumblr_inline_oxuhvtawmv1ujszxz_500.jpg
Banana🍃Leaf
UGHHHH
Banana🍃Leaf
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
that is cool (and i am getting slightly carmen sandiego vibes i guess? which is pretty awesome too)
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isn't that the goal
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
not sure but i hope so
papermint tiger
if we have to go white girl, why couldn't they have gone for the one with the white-and-red outfit
papermint tiger
she looked so badass
how about no
the fact that mcree has realistically rendered eyelashes next to ashe's styilized ones is something I wish I hadn't noticed because I really notice it
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i'm coming back to this because otherwindow just redid Ashe with her makeup toned back and tbh it looks better
https://66.media.tumblr.com/2687a7548f3477659e678870d3a330ef/tumblr_phllosKFP91qep3h6o1_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/99912461f8fa2f7d0f7561e3e87aa52e/tumblr_phllosKFP91qep3h6o2_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/206537f208b1026cdb25dfca623b31e8/tumblr_phllosKFP91qep3h6o4_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/b86155015b5f3414931e791aeb35e157/tumblr_phllosKFP91qep3h6o3_540.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/df70fdaaaafcce7cd14c2af7399078a9/tumblr_phllosKFP91qep3h6o5_540.jpg
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without the heavy stereotypical villain makeup, the widow sameface isn't as obvious (idk if they did any other edits to her appearance) and it looks a lot more.... bandity if i'm honest?
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
On one hand, she ok. On the OTHER... BLIZZARD I AM SICK OF YOUR OBSESSION WITH THIN WHITE LADIES WITH THE SAME FACE NOW YOU ARE JUST GETTING LAZY.
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/pats
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
Also her backstory gives me some ehhhhhh vibes.
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yeah i just glanced over it and it's not.... well. "rich girl turns to crime" isn't that great or interesting
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It just seems like a waste of a possibly good design and voice actress.
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and lmao oh no
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A butler omnic.
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...also while i'm in here with my overwatch Opinions (tw), I'm just gonna say that Echo doesn't do it for me either
https://66.media.tumblr.com/539e1414fef641067057554c2e973f8f/tumblr_inline_phm2fjhE9K1qfzmuo_1280.jpg
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she's very.... "robot who is Definitely A Lady"
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is actually more interested in Echo, but I understand you.
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i love fucking with gender and robots, so the designs that usually get put into place for robot ladies tend to kill me ;v; even when i otherwise love them as a character
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like why does she need that kind of face
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it stands out especially because we ALREADY have robots canonly with the Omnics, but their faces aren't like that
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why...
𝗌𝗍𝗋𝗒𝖿𝖾
https://images.plurk.com/3FcLur7mv6MbvmSrygxtk9.png https://images.plurk.com/5fkNCbiChzciLGdD1vF7nF.png y'all could have had it all
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b/c nisha is all i see when i see Ashe
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also while i'm talking about racism in overwatch/fandom-
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(i'm sorry i'm just using this plurk for everything now)
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going concept mercy tag diving and "ugh everyone was FINE with canon mercy before concept mercy, her design is FINE"
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and it's like
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she has no original design element to her atall
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even with the scifi
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a white chick with blonde hair and blue eyes who is the team healer with an angel motif
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what is with this fandoms obsession with thin white girls? it's almost like Blizzard kinda knows it's audience.
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like all of those are so.... stereotypically matched
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
on the other, there's nothing wrong with enjoying these characters. but... keep in mind that it's kinda boring.
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if you all thought i was done with this plurk THINK AGAIN
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but i was looking in the tags for the "less makeup" photoset and someone went
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"anyway she's an albino because white hair, red eyes, and the hat shades her eyes because photosensitivity!"
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and it's like... my guy
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the hat is there because she's a god damn cowgirl bandit
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like i know!! i get it!!! we all want diversity, especially Overwatch, which has shown that it can if it just tries
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but Ashe... is not it
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bonus tag whining but "i like her without the makeup but it's her choice to be pretty" IT'S REALLY NOT
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SHE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER
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"as an arizonian i can say that her canon makeup would not hack it"
how about no
robo tiddies
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
really, people don't wear makeup in the desert?
Usagi
until you make that 'choice' a big huge part of the character in a non objectifying way you cannot use the IT'S THEIR CHOIIIICE card on them, Commenters,
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lmao well it depends on the time of year, i say, as a nevadan, and also the person
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but. it's the desert.
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even in our cooler months, it can get hot as shit
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and that's just me walking fifteen minutes from my job to my house
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but in the middle of the day, while you're doing something work intensive as robbing a train, well
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
so fnv was right, no long hair and makeup.
duck bastard
it's why i keep mine short lmao
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
when they make video game characters sentient in real life and able to make their own choices, then maybe we can have the "it's their choice" thing
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
of course i assume that if that were ever to happen most of them would choose to first strangle their creators for treating them like such ass
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
or at least be honest about why they but their characters in makeup and high heels and ridic outfits.
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
*put
how about no
just, people need to be more like yoko taro
how about no
"I like girls"
how about no
It's still a statement that needs to be Examined but at least it's honest, fuck
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GESTURES
https://66.media.tumblr.com/7af05baa760431f5610a90ee8ac72da3/tumblr_phlgwpDeFa1rvlxxwo1_540.jpg
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
Why the face?
𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕠𝕗⌛
Why does Blizzard keep having these dope character designs but they never make it to the game?
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RIGHT. RIGHT.
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like, just changing the face/head would make her design so much more appealing to me, even with the notably curvy body and very femme voice
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because then it's a contrast of something that is VERY ROBOTIC and still- i can't word
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but you get what i'm saying right
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Blizzard: OH SHIT. We have fuck-boys for fans, we have to pick the blandest, most appealing design for them so they don't get too upset.
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someone pointed out it's just robot mercy and god they're right
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cowgirl widow and robot mercy
Gayple
see, if they made this part of the lore, where she has a face on purpose to 'make her less scary than other omnics', that would be cool. Because I wouldn't be surprised if the emotionless omnic faces cause PTSD for survivors of the war
Gayple
but I doubt Blizzard would do that
Gayple
and even if they did, it's Zenyatta who should have a face for that reason
Gayple
because he's the peace-bringer
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...now all i can think of is
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> Person: so you're sort of setting off veterans from the omnic war, we need to figure out how to give you a face so it's not as bad
> Zen: okay hold on
> Zen: /puts on Cthulhu head
> Zen: how about this
> Person: I -
Gayple
PFFF
Gayple
it's a genius plan
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also i'm trying to find that one story from twitter where this chick sent in a draft of her scifi story which featured an ai getting a crush on the latest scientist to his facility
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and getting a thing back where the obviously dude beta was like "okay we have to change the ai into a woman and give her a sexy humanoid body and it should be like a spy thriller"
Banana🍃Leaf
https://66.media.tumblr.com/79339c364991151cb7cfaa69561f8c10/tumblr_phljd0qt3D1qhb3fr_540.jpg
Calliente
I am pissing at that comment
𝒄𝒐𝒇𝒇𝒊𝒏 𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒆𝒏
lmao
Just Rakath
So at least with concept Mercy vs. canon Mercy there is a reason to make the character more european (putting the concept of angels in a region angel lore actually exists in). Which doesn't mean Mercy needed to be white, nor female. But it is... something. (But they could have also just made sure non-white non-female Mercy had a European accent and be good.)
Just Rakath
That feeling when your statement hits exactly character limit.
duck bastard
yeah, or just... make him American
Just Rakath
An American character focused on healing and support feels OOC I mean-
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