FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
[comics salt] Clark Kent Deserves Better - enter at your own risk
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
No, Batman doesn't kill.
Becky
Thank you.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but I really wish there was even HALF the fuss made over the number of times Clark turned 'evil' or questionable for today's stupid bullshit plot of the week
Becky
YEP
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
INJUSTICE exists.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
And people love it. and there's multiple comic lines about it. and multiple games
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and people eat it the fuck up
Becky
I mean. It's not shocking anymore. It's just bullshit nonsense and apparently people are just used to it and it's stupid
Becky
Yeah. "Corrupt the good guy' but that's NOT really what's going on
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and it pisses me off so hard that this is okay, we can tarnish Supes left and right and I do not see HALF the fuss about it
Becky
What's going on is 'people don't get Clark
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and let's not EVEN get into the fucking travesty of Diana in that verse
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
that comment by Robin's actor is going to get 8000 angry thinkpieces
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but Clark turning evil is just a 'cool AU'
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Diana being a fucking crime against humanity in that series is a footnote
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Dark Knights Metal, Nightwing the New Order, even the main timeline Gods plot re: the death of Darkseid during that Justice League event thing had Clark being a fucking rage beast and it just
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
when you put into context Clark's jewish coding, his immigrant backstory, acting like he's a ticking timebomb is just SO FUCKING GROSS
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but no one cares
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and I am so SO tired of it.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
like, I know the new52 hurt a lot because I lost my JSA and legacy kids but while there were parts of that run that made me facepalm (the Superwonder, the ART JESUS THE ART, killing the Kents)
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
facing some of that ugliness of how people can be to immigrants and outsiders and Clark as antiestablishment, GOOD even when it was So Hard, even when his powers were practically gone
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
THAT was some good shit. There were parts of that run that killed me
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Becky : <3
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
oh yeah, and Justice Lords, that stuff (which the Superbat tag could SERIOUSLY DO TO LOSE SOME OBSESSION WITH OMG)
HEY KID
I have no idea what you're talking about but I'm enjoying the commentary anyway lol
HEY KID
I haven't touched anything DC since 52
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Rebirth's been pretty good, honestly.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and I think 52 had some spiffy stuff even if some of the 'casualties' of the reboot cut me to the heart
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
like, I just think people forget that Clark's got just as many moments where he puts up very clear lines he will not cross
CJ
I can't agree with this more.
HEY KID
I'd been reading the comics for decades, my family owned a comic book store so I read backstock going decades before I was born, so let's just say the salt was to the extreme when 52 happened for me
HEY KID
I tried out a few of the books and couldn't do it
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
waftingcurtains: like you know, JSA is my team, and I got into comics through Starman, DC's legacy stuff is 100% my jam
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I couldn't give it a shot for a long time.
CJ
That period of Injustice, Nu52, I just ...
HEY KID
I still am irrationally furious about it honestly
HEY KID
I try not to be
HEY KID
lol
HEY KID
But I am
rose
Now that I played the story Injustice Superman and Wonder Woman are literally the most forced turned evil plots I've ever seen.
HEY KID
forever salty
CJ
It made me so goddamn mad that they were apparently just doing everything in their power to tarnish Superman as a symbol and make him lesser made me rage quit comics for about four years.
rose
Like the only reason you believe it's happening is because you are seeing it.
HEY KID
Theoretically I'm not against a concept of a What If good guys are all bad and bad guys are all good. Kind of lik ... as a what if side thing, not as a major industry, I guess.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
CJ : YOU AND ME BOTH FRIEND
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
waftingcurtains: That's what Earth 2/3 is for
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I just it happens SO FUCKING OFTEN with Supes
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and I know why, I do.
HEY KID
Exactly lol, it's what a side universe is for. And one you don't dwell in long. Like it's only fun as a few shots, not as a regular thing, at least for me.
CJ
Oh, I get the impulse and I'm not opposed to it being an occasional elseworlds thing
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
he's the DC universe's security blanket in a lot of ways. it's an easy way to raise the stakes and immediately make the problem dire.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Hell, I enjoyed The Nail and The Dark Side as Elseworlds well enough
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
rose : SO FUCKING FORCED
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and like, I bought the second game in the hopes of possibly them course correcting
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and there's even a section where it almost looks it might happen
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
THEN THEY DOUBLE DOWN
HEY KID
Kind of like how they handled DCTV, which to a lesser degree mind you, but they had the Nazi world and spent two episodes on it and then were like okay enough of that yikes. Imperfect example, but it's kind of how I see worlds like that functioning. As a quick shot, omg wow, and then over.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
oh we don't want me going into the DCTV nazi issue
CJ
The only part of Injustice I was really in for was main universe Clark calling evil Clark on his bullshit.
HEY KID
LOL like I said it's not a perfect example, I'm just talking about how it BRIEFLY handled a bad world
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
CJ : YES
CJ
And then they go fuck it up by having him say he might have done the same thing in the epilogue
HEY KID
I haven't played the games because they're not my kind of games. I didn't realize they actually had stories in them, honestly, it looked like Mortal Kombat.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
waftingcurtains: same studio
CJ
I just want everyone who was in any way involved with the story of this game to go read Ending Battle
CJ
Because that's all the refutation of this shit as a premise that you need.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
YES FUCKING ENDING BATTLE
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I'm going to have my coffin plastered with it
HEY KID
LOL of course. I am glad I didn't bother, just not my bag.
HEY KID
But it sounds like they only have a shallow understanding at best, which makes sense, because it's the Mortal Kombat people.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
CJ : I actually played good!Injustice!Clark in a game
CJ
Like, post Joker bullshit (which, by the way, him saying Clark was easy-mode made my fucking blood boil) but before all the forced heel turn shit?
rose
Yeah the parts where good Superman and Wonder Woman just give it to their counterparts is so good.
HEY KID
i am so confused about how any of it works lol I thought it was just evil heroes and good villains I'm going to wiki this shit
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
the 'prize' in the game for completing the game stuff was fixing the injustice verse
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
...and then he never went home because due to the game events, the JL never trusts superman again and he couldn't live like that
HEY KID
OKAY I see it now
CJ
Hh ... interesting
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
...it's in the epilogue that the JL have him ingest a lead-encased K capsule and they take turns holding the button. My entire head exploded at that point
CJ
...
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and Clark went off to be an internal warden of the Phantom Zone with a Bruce from the end of Arkham Knight who similarly was Done With His World
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and hey, I'm not opposed to it EVER happening
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but it's such a fucking TROPE at this point, and it's really like 90% always him.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
when Dark Knights Metal and Nightwing The New Order had shit be Clark's fault I just... was kinda angry for a whiel
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and I suppose it's almost... a firm statement on how important he is?
CJ
But for the love of god, treat him like he matters when he isn't destroying the fucking world
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but the fact that there hasn't been a good goddamn plot about Clark just being Fucking Awesome since the 90s it feels like instead of all this dark au nonsense
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
CJ : YES THIS
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
okay, fair, there were some in the early 2000s
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I literally have to think back over 10 years for a really good Superman thing.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
This Is Depressing.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
and I'd give them credit for some of the nu52 good stuff if like... it wasn't steeped in enough Bad that people DNW
CJ
Yeaaaah, pretty much
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
like that antiestablishment stuff was great... but it also relied on having Lois Lane out him to the world and making HER look like shit
CJ
Like, there's some stuff in there that's interesting and I'd love to see played out differently ... but the execution was botched and it was launching from a pad that wasn't entirely level
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
agreeed
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I won't throw out the baby with the bathwater. But I'm not going to say that it was on par with anything I can look back on fondly
CJ
Pretty much.
CJ
... also, I've been toying with a Superman treatment for an age that I haven't gotten to write, have I ever sent you that?
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
NO
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I'd be curious
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I'll be honest, my favorite thing for a while was the Lois and Clark comic and I'm sad that a lot of the cooler stuff in that go subsumed when they becamse mainstream Superfam.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
also MORE SUPERFAM THINGS
CJ
AGREED ON BOTH FRONTS
CJ
and lemme send you a link to it ... based very heavily on Birthright and Secret Identity
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
...these are good things
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
flop
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
HUFF just had to get that off my chest
Shard
I've not been down for evil!Supes since I found out about The Dark Knight Returns.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
yeah, nooo
Shard
Of course, he also made Dick evil, so I just really hate Miller.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
NOD
sAlty
I missed a good plurk
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
sAlty : I was thinking of you the whole time
sAlty
<3
snowbogan
evil superman is a tired, shitty trope
snowbogan
and we usually get bonus lois friding so that's great
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Either fridging or worse
snowbogan
(i also miss alternate timeline refugees lois and clark)
snowbogan
injustice is frustrating because the comics have some Good Shit in there but it's such a garbage universe
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Yes yes yes
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Makes me so frustrated
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
It’s such a devils bargain
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