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Rose you're on Animal Planet - sorry but not sorry SLIGHT TMI
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Also Rose you're thick- thick thick thick
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and he's not gonna tell you what really set him off
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Set him off sexually or angry? (LOL)
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sexually
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That's okay finding out is fun (evilsmirk) .... she would say if she was going to try :V
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given the embarrassment of April still she's like "/whispers/ control freakkkk"
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you mean March - the one with Jack was in March
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its alright w're backtagging stuff back forever its a bit confusing
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No she's not embarrassed about March (LOL)
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ahhh ^^
Lilith
She's embarrassed about trying and the failing in the first week of April
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Ahhhhhh
Lilith
she thinks it's a de-stresser thing which she can get behind
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but it was one of her previous concerns that she'd be using Jack/10
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also why she doesn't initiate anything with jack (LOL)
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well if it helps from that last thread he is willing to help her; help him
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the mixed signals thread
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because he knows he's a fickle thing
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and he's gonna help Jack too which is one of the threads in Jacks inbox is about
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ya (LOL)
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Well
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she's
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like I said
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at a point of not really wanting to poke it >> but if it happens it happens
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since pushing him away is too much drama and headache (LOL)
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AND LBR
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I DON'T THINK SHE IS CAPABLE IN THAT KIND OF MOMENT (LOL)
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XD
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well Jacks butthurt because Jack doesnt get enough
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Jack has Rose and maybe Martha but 10 is weeks later
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and its sort of mockful in a way
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but its also not being done purposely
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(LOL)
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well when she finds out Jack's been going a whiiiiile without, she'll be the first to volunteer and be like "WHY WOULD YOU HOLD OUT ON US" (LOL) Unless Martha/others beat her to it
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they're the Odd Couple with sex
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Jack: Everyday
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10: Once a year
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Well 10 may shag Jack at Bulmas thing
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Rose! 10 told you! He told you! All things considered after what 5 times with Rose - that's an awful lot of sex to him in about a year
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lol
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WELL
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That's helping not your case 10 (LOL)
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Humans
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XD
Lilith
(LOL) It just makes her go "O-oh... So everytime you shag me is a time you're not shagging someone else >:T"
Allie-lu-u-jah
Martha will get around to Jack quickly, possibly even immediately. :-P
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Allie-lu-u-jah
And Martha would probably be okay with never shagging the Doctor, as long as whatever they end up having is mutual and loving. So don't worry on Martha's account.
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Awesome :3
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Well - if they do- 10 is gonna let her know straight up that not something to expect all the time
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because he hurt Rose back in April
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who was overtrying
Allie-lu-u-jah
She'll be fine with that. She's really more interested in the emotional, and snogging
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she was dressed in sexy lingin, scented candles around the bed and I believe rose petals also on the bed and poised in wolfish sexy opse
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and he just - stared at that
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and if he was an anime there would have also been a sweatdrop
Allie-lu-u-jah
Awww Ten
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And
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Nothing happened
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Allie-lu-u-jah
I can't imagine Martha trying something like that. Too many possibilities for rejection.
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he rejected her as nicely as possible
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but saying he appeciated the effort but his hormones are different; sorry
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he was gonna burn her any way - went for as least as possible
Allie-lu-u-jah
I also think she's got too strong a sense of self-preservation to get in that tangle with him and Rose. She loves him, and wants something with him, but something that is theirs.
Allie-lu-u-jah
So awkward.
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thats what Rose wants to
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like he doesn't have anyone else sit on his lap while in the spinny chair
Allie-lu-u-jah
Nod. I'm not sure yet how much that means things that are only theirs and how much it means "some form of ongoing and consistent acknowledgement that she is more than a pal"
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nod nod
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"Not just a passenger" 2.0
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to be honest- the trick is gonna be how does he do different things with all four of them and what are those things?
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especially since his viewpoint with relationships is a bit different
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but to keep from being bored too
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before rose pointed out and asked if anyone else sits on his lap in the spinny chair
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should figure out different things with them
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so thankfully with Rose asking him that - he got the drift; faster
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because for instance
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Rose made a point that cuddling at night is for couples
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and he really doesn't understand that
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because all he does is cuddle at night and is completely platonic with Jack or Martha
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Which Jack hates because nothing happens
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and the reason for the needing someone at night is like Martha since 10 has to sleep because thats how he got the Tardis
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otherwise he has nightmares
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Allie-lu-u-jah so there's gonna be a lot of human/ Time Lord viewpoints that dont translate well
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because from 10s viewpoint is -
Allie-lu-u-jah
I think Martha's M.O. Is generally to want to be the person you feel safe with? I'm not entirely sure.
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if you were trapped in a cabin in the forest during the winter and there's only one blanket - do you hog the blanket or curl with your friend and share the blanket
Allie-lu-u-jah
Share, obviously
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exactly does that mean romantic? No
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but to Rose apparently lovers only keep others safe feeling at night
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so there's a lot of mixed ideals of what is friendship and what is romance
Allie-lu-u-jah
Martha doesn't share that sentiment
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:-)
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and so far any of his viewpoints that 10 has defaults to him being an alien and to an extent its true and its also not
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But yes - 10 has a lot of figuring out to do - with all of his companions with him in one spot for who knows how long
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its boiling down too; what is a human thing? what is a time lord thing??
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and different personalities
Allie-lu-u-jah
Idk. I think that while M is way less polyamorous by nature, she's also much more considered about her relationships. She'd be going into this knowing that she's sharing, and that means she's not going to be one and only for anything, so what's going to matter is time (not even equal time) just when they're together, that's theirs.
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yyeaaaah and he needs to figure out how to make time in the day
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to work at Torchwood; entertain his 4 companions however
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have him time and sleep
Allie-lu-u-jah
It will also help if she has Jack for moments of mad passion, or even, gasp, someone outside the canon
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also known as time management
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which someone isnt that good at
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Allie-lu-u-jah
Lol
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oh! and Jenny - wants to spend time with his daughe
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his cross canon relations
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and Gwen
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he'll get it at some point - hopefully
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and he sort of wants to just run away from all of them - but they'll follow him to the end of the universe - literally and there's not a lot of places to run too in game; but also doesn't because pushing them all away didnt do him all t hat good eitehr in the end
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In my head, Martha just kissed him on the forehead and said, "It doesn't take much to make someone feel loved. A text that asks how a person is, or says you're thinking about them may be enough."
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That said! The Doctor has had up to 3 in the Tardis before (but not for long) as a max for traveling
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Classic Who did more 2 companions than 3 companions at a time
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thats if the robot dog counts
Allie-lu-u-jah
K-9 counts!
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but there have been 3 humans in his Tardis at once; which didn't end well because 5 lost track of one of them and they sort of died
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1 -2 is a good number for a long period of time (plus robot dog)
Allie-lu-u-jah
Uh oh
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Allie-lu-u-jah Dawww Martha
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To your last reply before that one
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But lets add in that 10s companions are a lot better taking care of themselves than Classic Who companions
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so thats a big plus
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Sarah, Leela and Romana were good at taking care of themselves as far as classic who female companions but for the most part
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but girls in Classic Who also werent allowed to fight the monster
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but they got themselves out of other problems or could
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But thats something Carole Ann Lillian Ford (Susan; his granddaughter) said she wanted to do was fight the monster but she wasn't allowed too
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^ which also keep in mind thats 1st Doctor from the 1960s
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so 10s; girls - have that as a huge plus
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Allie-lu-u-jah and to be honest it was actually a boy that died with 5; when 5 had 3 companions
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Allie-lu-u-jah it is what is it and there hasnt been any action really so - we'll find out then when the time comes XD
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Allie-lu-u-jah but for the time being the challenge is having different fun with his companions but also having group fun like movies
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nods
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Martha figures everyone piling onto a couch or the floor and watching movies together is awesome.
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Ten sugguests a Disney movie
Allie-lu-u-jah
I wonder how much of a difference it makes in their psychologies (Martha and Rose) that Martha isn't an only child.
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good question
Allie-lu-u-jah
Because she's used to sharing love and knows it doesn't diminish
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Jack isnt an only child either
Allie-lu-u-jah
Rose is, and was the only child in a one-parent household. So while she may have felt smothered, her relationship with Jackie was one and only for both of them
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nod nod
Allie-lu-u-jah
she's used to being "the most special"
Allie-lu-u-jah
which may be part of what makes it hard for her, is that she's trying to be a good friend/sister-wife/whatever but it's hard not to grab at everything. Plus, let's be real, of all of them, she has the most reason to feel that way about him.
Allie-lu-u-jah
Martha was jealous of Rose when Rose wasn't there because it was like HEY I AM RIGHT HERE AND SHE IS NOT
Allie-lu-u-jah
But I don't think she can sustain that kind of jealousy with both of them there, because she knows how he feels about Rose and she wants him to be happy.
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Yes! Which is completely understandable of Martha to be jelo of Rose when Rose isnt there because he made those side comments once in awhile; "Rose would know" or something like that without thinking
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not all the time but - when it mattered and would hurt the worse on Martha
Allie-lu-u-jah
Yes. And there's also a very buried race element, too.
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so his fault for the off comments
Allie-lu-u-jah
I'm way more aware of it than the show was, but Martha's objection to blondes comes from living in a culture where blondes are the height of beauty and she can never be a blonde. While it would never occur to him to discriminate by race, she's always-already suffering from it. And Rose being blonde just made it worse.
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nod nod; well he might be aware of it - just - not understand
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like money - he understands its a thing but doesnt get it
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there's nothing to sugguest Gallifrey had a currentary system
Allie-lu-u-jah
So, I feel like her experience of the Year That Never Was made her so much stronger in realizing that was her mission. And she feels, rightly or wrongly, that it wasn't one that Rose could do. So she can either walk away from the romantic aspect of her feelings for him, and do so without anger. Or she can develop something that works for her--
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they had jobs but - nothing implies that they were paid
Allie-lu-u-jah
that isn't a one and only or a competition or anything like that.
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Mmmm
Allie-lu-u-jah
Hilariously, I think she's much more likely to be jealous of Jack and Rose than Rose and the Doctor.
Allie-lu-u-jah
Because Ten has always been Rose's in her mind.
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and shes not jealous of Jack and 10?
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but yeah- The Doctor wouldnt understand why consider blondes more beautiful in human society
Allie-lu-u-jah
I'm not sure yet, but I don't think so, particularly. At least not as it concerns Ten? It's weird. She's sort of halfway between where she was head over heels for him and when she walked away. So she's not sure yet what emotional rights she has to be jealous about 10. She's the latecomer, so...
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he knows Rose is blonde but doesn't understand all the labeling humans put on themselves
Allie-lu-u-jah
Martha's like, we'll watch Roots. And the Winds of War.
Allie-lu-u-jah
Oh god. The Doctor can never watch Holocaust movies.
Allie-lu-u-jah
he'll cry forever.
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Cry and be outraged
Allie-lu-u-jah
I feel you, Doctor. (I'm Jewish, so I can't watch them at all.)
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but if someone gave him a book on human labeling and he read it all
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he'd lecture humanity so we'd all feel ashamed of ourselves
Allie-lu-u-jah
Maybe Martha will curate the TARDIS's library.
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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well - it doesn't really work in game - I mean it does but it would have to be game labelings
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But thats what I was trying to be more clear about - he knows Rose's hair is blonde but as far as what that means beyond being a color
Allie-lu-u-jah
Whoa, that's appearing a whole bunch of times.
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Plurk is being stupid
Allie-lu-u-jah
Right. Yeah. No, he doesn't know. But it's part of Martha's complex. Fortunately, I think that's one she can actually explain. Because she knows it's not him and he doesn't need to do anything to fix it.
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^^
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and sorry about plurk
Allie-lu-u-jah
No worries!
Allie-lu-u-jah
But yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to seeing Martha and Ten get a chance to talk about some of her stuff in a way that's not so incredibly fraught because he's not the only person in her life.
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:3
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and thank you for the amazing discussion btw
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Allie-lu-u-jah
You're welcome! Any time. I love talking character meta.
Allie-lu-u-jah
I just have one book to finish before I decide on my next Gen character and then there will be more to talk about. :-D
Lilith
Oi she said it's not that it can't be platonic individually it's that it adds up
- Also if 10 wants to run away from everyone he could start with letting Rose run (LOL)
- DOUBLE ALSO: YEEEEES Rose only JUST got her baby brother and as she told 10/11/12 / Jack / she wanted him her whole life (ditto father), got him and was jealous af (LOL)
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Also 10 let's not pretend everyone except Cleo was blonde okay
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although it might be a straight up David Tennant thing
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since Moffat carried it over from him
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and was originally hoping to write for him
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Lilith he cant start with Rose because Ten thinks Rose is gonna go at the drop of a hat because she keeps leavng when he needs her; aka when he was dying, when he came back from dying that day and when Martha shows up again
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then don't
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and everything before
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Although did she leave him that day? (thinking)
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so he trusts everyone but Rose to not leave at a drop of a hat
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idk I still need to tag that
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pretty sure she didn't (LOL)
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but theres stil the 8 months of how she was before
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she DID the day after
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even if he lost a few months
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but
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She doesn't mind that anymore
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Martha was worried it was like PTSD
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-> resulting in a STUPIDLY FREAKING LONG HAD TO BE TWO COMMENTS TAG
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yes but Rose needs to show in more than just a month she's not gonna anymore
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thats all
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she's got that months of months before hand against her
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(LOL) SHE DOESN'T WANT TO THO
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well then - he's gonna keep clinging
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Like as long as he asks her to stay, she always will ofc
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but
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AS IT IS
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as far as pulling back?
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She's just like "No I have to" so
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nod
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its still a step up from before
Lilith
yeah XD and she is a lot happier with him I mean jfc
Lilith
in February
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nod
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she had to just WEAR A MASK SOMETIMES (mentally/emotionally not literally/physically) because she was so not happy
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nod
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and ironically doesnt want him to wear a mask because thats what upsets her
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oh yeah
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AND TBH
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she hates wearing a mask too
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It was one of the biggest things weighing her down so
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now that she doesn't have to with him
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>:
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(AS MUCH AT MINIMUM?)
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it helps
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nod
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Like if it's between hurting him and wearing a mask
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ofc she will
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Even if he / others said not to
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xD
Lilith
But he's been moooooooooostly more resilient? And clearly would rather put up with her being a surly temperament bitch but by her side than let her go sulk without him so
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nod
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which is usually why she runs/masks. So that he won't get hurt by her being in that mood/point
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