Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:08 PM
Thinking about the Junji Ito Collection anime again
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:08 PM
There was an observation I saw about Junji Ito's work a while back
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:09 PM
that I think explains why an Ito anime doesn't work that well even beyond the fact that it was Studio DEEN
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:09 PM
Junji Ito's short stories have a simple narrative beat they like to use
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:10 PM
that basically goes
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@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:10 PM
1. You learn that there's something weird, but you haven't seen it yet
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@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:10 PM
2. You see the weird thing
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:10 PM
The latter usually as a full-page spread of fantastically fucked Ito art
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:10 PM
but the thing about this beat is that it's inherently tailored towards the medium of a comic
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
I still think my favorite ending to an Ito story was the one where they guy saw a creepy woman out his window looking at him
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
because what's unique to comics
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
And then her window started physically distorting the side of the house to get closer to him
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
So they fucking moved
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
is that, 1, you absorb a whole page's worth of visual information all at once, in chunks
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
Sorry tangent carry on
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:11 PM
and 2, the reader has control over when they move on to the next page
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:12 PM
so when you get to right before the scare, you know it's coming, but you still have to basically jump scare yourself
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:13 PM
and a lot of Ito's freaky shit moments are built on that emotional beat, but in an anime it's just gonna be, here's a scary thing now
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:13 PM
it doesn't give you the chance to psyche yourself out over it
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:15 PM
like, OK, concrete example
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@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:16 PM
early on in The Enigma of Amigara Fault
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@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/D6NStre.png https://i.imgur.com/F8kad8Q.png Here's a pair of pages
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:16 PM
you see their reaction to the strange sight, there's a page break, then you get a massive, detailed shot of it
an alleged frog
@actualfrog
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:16 PM
you could prrrrrrobably simulate that audience-agency by keeping the reveal in the next episode so you gotta hit "next" to see the reveal, but that doesn't really work
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:17 PM
then you learn all about the holes, what they do to people, what their purpose is, etc
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BFVR4A9.png then, this is the second to last page
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:17 PM
which gives you just enough information to draw the horrible conclusion
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:17 PM
page break
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@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:17 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Z1a8uod.png resolution
an alleged frog
@actualfrog
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:18 PM
yeah you're discovering things at the same pace and tension that the characters are
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:19 PM
god, Amigara Fault might be the best single chapter of manga ever drawn
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:19 PM
I read it years ago and I got fucking chills digging it up to get these pages
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@lastbastion
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:20 PM
drr drr drr
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 PM
i love junji ito and yeah this is a solid breakdown of why it doesn't translate well to anime
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 PM
I mean even if it did, Deen wouldn't have done it justice
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 PM
not that i've actually seen any of the attempts to do so, but i can imagine it
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 PM
the art is so bland
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
and low-budget
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
which one(s) did Deen attempt?
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
It's an anthology and I've only watched episode 1, which was uh
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
the voodoo doll nails guy
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:37 PM
oh him
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:38 PM
which is honestly
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:38 PM
a really bad point to start on
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:38 PM
because it's kind of meandering and weird
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:39 PM
yeah, it's.... yeah
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:43 PM
that kid's actually like a recurring character, or rather there are several vignettes about him and his family, like if Twilight Zone had a sitcom family that only showed up every few episodes or something
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM
so it's...a weird one to start on if you're not going to just collect all of those stories into one place and skip the other horror one-shots in between them
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM
they ended with a quick short about someone's daughter turning into a doll and like
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM
there was more tension in those 90 seconds than the preceding 20 minutes
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:44 PM
lmao
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:47 PM
yeah if you were going to make an anime out of junji ito's one-shots or anthology stories, i...would have skipped nails-kid entirely
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:47 PM
Red Turtleneck strikes me as one that would make the transition to anime pretty well
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:48 PM
honestly just do an anime of Hellstar Remina
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:48 PM
2018 saw Devilman Crybaby, audiences are ready for Hellstar Remina
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:48 PM
oh fuck dude Hellstar Remina would be a killer anime
BF
@blazingfool
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:58 PM
Do it cowards
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@fireplacecat
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:02 PM
I'm still surprised somebody did Gyo, although given the shark scene, I probably shouldn't be.
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:03 PM
Gyo is so dumb
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:03 PM
I love Gyo
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@fireplacecat
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:04 PM
GASHUNK
MERIT-BASED!
@flare_sword
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:16 PM
why do people keep letting deen do horrors and thrillers
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:17 PM
Deen should only do gag anime
MERIT-BASED!
@flare_sword
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:17 PM
they can do action? shouldn't, but it's not....
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:17 PM
The first like
MERIT-BASED!
@flare_sword
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:17 PM
fate was less of a trainwreck than umineko or ito collection
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:18 PM
3/4ths of Gyo is amazing
Villain
@Overbringer
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:18 PM
Didn't stick the landing
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:18 PM
Fate/Stay Deen is pretty bad
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