p/mmpntt

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:12 PM

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[AB Game] One last hurrah! Triple game scope, 10,000 runs, this time tracking kills.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:13 PM

A kill is counted if you are a member of a team that picks BETRAY and causes someone on the other team to die.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:13 PM

Here's the final list!

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:14 PM

Echo: 72 wins, 1460 deaths, 40 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:14 PM

Only capable of killing someone if she's paired with a faster, meaner partner at the right time.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:14 PM

Lenga: 2662 wins, 22 deaths, 138 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:14 PM

Tries to avoid killing, but is also willing to Betray killers.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:15 PM

Gray: 91 wins, 141 deaths, 237 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:15 PM

Very defensive so wins rarely, but also pretty hard to kill.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:15 PM

Foxfire: 403 wins, 221 deaths, 276 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:16 PM

Is meaner when fighting fewer people, so kill count is low.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:16 PM

Prof: 1196 wins, 307 deaths, 400 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:16 PM

As expected, right in the middle.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:16 PM

Emily: 1099 wins, 21 deaths, 469 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:16 PM

Emily was surprisingly hard to kill with how chaotic her strategy was

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:17 PM

Peter: 1625 wins, 3 deaths, 538 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:17 PM

I think we all know who's going to be at the top of this list

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:17 PM

Leriel: 1259 wins, 2 deaths, 559 kills

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:17 PM

Leriel came damn close though, in a longer game the Grim Trigger is going to do a LOT of betraying

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:17 PM

Kasu: 3135 wins, 0 deaths, 565 kills

✶ 天鈿女命

@phainein

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:20 PM

holy fuck, kasu

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:20 PM

Kasu's strategy was Always Betray

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

In the VLR LP thread, if memory serves, they were able to find exactly one strategy that would beat it

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

Called the Monokuma Strategy

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

I'm gonna say. The game probably isn't the best design when picking betray every single time is the hands down best option

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

which went something like

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

- Betray if your opponent has killed someone

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:21 PM

- Betray if you can kill your opponent

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:22 PM

- Betray if you can reach 9 points this round

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:22 PM

- Otherwise Ally

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:22 PM

Princess Emily In an actual execution there's a lot more player psychology to it, but Always Betray wins because bots can't recognize an Asshole Player

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:23 PM

Kasubot would be deadass fucked by round 3 of a game against humans

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:23 PM

How? Is there a way for a betray to lose points?

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:23 PM

I don't recall there being one.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:25 PM

you don't have to lose points to lose the game, since the game ends when someone reaches the target points

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:25 PM

once people notice you're betraying every time, they'll always betray against you, and you'll never advance

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:26 PM

and someone else will escape first

kamikasei

@kamikasei

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:26 PM

If you Ally and your opponent Betrays, your team gains 3 points and your opposing team loses 2 points.

kamikasei

@kamikasei

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:26 PM

Is this backwards?

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 2:26 PM

Yes.

Echo

@EchoDoctor

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 4:28 PM

I can't believe mine was the only one that wound up below triple digits...

Echo

@EchoDoctor

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 4:28 PM

Like I knew there'd be a kill count gap, but jeez.

Quinn Angstrom

@quinn2win

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 4:29 PM

also the only person to die over 1000 times

Wild Child

@graygriffin

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 4:30 PM

I'd be kind of interested in seeing an "evolution tournament" of these strategies similar to this game about the original Prisoner's Dilemma

Wild Child

@graygriffin

Thu, Feb 8, 2018 4:30 PM

Although I guess it'd work kind of differently