a turtle
"brown eyes are ugly no cute or interesting characters have them"
a turtle
checkmate atheists
a turtle
anyway hi what's up its Friday
ORBITAL★WOBBLE
rude. most of my favorite characters have brown eyes
ORBITAL★WOBBLE
BROWN EYES REMIND ME OF PUPPY DOGS
ORBITAL★WOBBLE
/slams fist on table
a turtle
brown eyes are Warm and Soft and Good
Curdy&Comfy
Ah yes, that general feeling towards brown eyes always made me feel more unattractive than anything else as a kid lmao
a turtle
if u don't like brown eyes u don't deserve pikachu
Curdy&Comfy
Honestly though!!
reineke
a turtle
treasure the Good Orbs
MapleSpice🍁
My favorite characters have brown eyes fuck that X-( X-( X-( X-(
bread singalong
cries
bread singalong
my eyes are brown
bread singalong
I feel insulted
bread singalong
(no I don't)
a turtle
Daria has brown eyes Frisk has brown eyes Chara had brown eyes before Yer A Wizard Harry puberty onset and then also death
a turtle
I'd list anime characters but idk shit about anime so pikachu is the only anime character I can think of lol
a turtle
but pikachu is objectively the best anime so
нalғ-dooмed.
brown eyes are pretty and good
a turtle
Good Shit
a turtle
eye related tangent: o forgot how wretchedly shit this mascara is until I ruined my eyeballs with clumpy chunky shit hell
Bret 🍊
the only people I have ever met that did not like brown eyes were people with.. brown eyes... someone is just jelly
Bret 🍊
and oh no 8'|
a turtle
I don't wear eyeliner because my eyes are absurdly sensitive and explode into styes the moment a line touches them
a turtle
I do not need clumpy chunko Dramatic Lashes theyd just look out of place even if this wasn't uneven gloppy bullhooey
a turtle
anyway my eyes are grey so I'm outside the Brown Eyes Discourse but I maintain: they good
Curdy&Comfy
I remember always being really jealous of how pretty other eye colors were and of other people with green or blue eyes. Granted this was just a symptom of the general "you're not pretty if you're not white" feelings I had growing up but Y E A H
Curdy&Comfy
It took awhile to learn to love my brown eyes, but now I am here and they are wonderful
a turtle
I would not be surprised if Brown Eyes Discourse was tied up in the Ole Prevalent And Subtle Internalized Racism honestly
a turtle
gotta love the whole Beauty Ideal Just Happens To be some Aryan Ass White Lady deal
reineke
yeah, I never thought my eyes were ugly, but the thought was always there that brown eyes are the norm and blue or green or whatever are the special ones
Curdy&Comfy
Yeah, like, I know for me a huge part of not liking them was because of the "beauty ideal" being pale, thin and with pale eyes. So it was just a huge mess.
reineke
I'm white and European though, but I'd stil imagine the racist factor plays into it on the whole
нalғ-dooмed.
mmmmm yeah i always hated my eyes and wanted blue ones
Curdy&Comfy
It also didn't help that I would overhear white people also discussing how awful brown eyes were and how they were so boring so it was very mmmmmmmm yes I love a big ol dose of Racial Self-Hatred in the morning
нalғ-dooмed.
all the people who get voted "prettiest eyes" have lovely clear blue eyes, i thought
reineke
...who gets voted that?
нalғ-dooмed.
no one votes for anyone who has eyes the color of mud, i thought
reineke
what
Bret 🍊
yearbook things and the like
нalғ-dooмed.
^^ yeah, basically
reineke
ohhh
reineke
okay, that is not a thing xD I KNOW IT FROM SHOWS AND STUFF, it just didn't occur to me
Curdy&Comfy
Yeah, yearbook stuff. And I feel ya, Zero, lmao, the people always listed as "prettiest" anything were almost always white.
a turtle
tbh probably the exact same source as the Blond Women Are Best bull jive
нalғ-dooмed.
high school was a Time when i started to get an inkling about "holy internalized racism batman"
reineke
I mean, most people have brown eyes and I always liked them, but in stories the special characters tend to have the more unusual or even unrealistic eye colours
a turtle
funnily enough the moment hair dye is wildly accessible NOW we like brown hair more (but only Certain Textures)
Bret 🍊
everyone in here is lovely please embrace your lovely eyes and hairs
a turtle
Harry Potter and the Dazzling Green Eyes
нalғ-dooмed.
good brown eyes!!! more of those!!!
Curdy&Comfy
YEAH THE BLOND HAIR THING OH MY GOD
MapleSpice🍁
Everybody is beautiful here brown eyes or what have you X-( X-( X-( X-(
нalғ-dooмed.
you gotta have them ~~~golden locks~~~ i guess
Curdy&Comfy
That would get me so badly too, holy shit. My hair was always super thick and kind of messy and frizzy, so seeing the "perfectly straight, soft white hair you can run a hand through" messed me up a lot.
Curdy&Comfy
white LMAO
Curdy&Comfy
blonde
Curdy&Comfy
no anime characters at my school not to say people didn't try to be them though
нalғ-dooмed.
lol i got this thick-ass hair that's such a fuckin pain
нalғ-dooмed.
thick ass-hair
нalғ-dooмed.
ok no im sorry
duck bastard
a ha ha ha ha ha fuck social beauty standards t b h
Curdy&Comfy
And yeah, in stories it was always the "special chosen one has Bright Green or Blue Eyes" and the "totally normal, unremarkable person that will probably die next chapter" has brown eyes :/
Curdy&Comfy
LMAO ASS HAIR THANKS ZERO
нalғ-dooмed.
I JUST HAVE TO MOVE THE HYPHEN EVERY TIME
нalғ-dooмed.
this is why i deliberately write characters with brown eyes all the time lmao
duck bastard
jf;slka ASS HAIR............
нalғ-dooмed.
frisk got them brown eyes up until their glitchening whoops
нalғ-dooмed.
tim's got them brown eyes HE HAS GOOD EYES OK
duck bastard
BrOWN EYES ARE GOOD
reineke
I mean, I do get it from a story-telling perspective especially with visual mediums to a degree, since the majority of people has brown eyes, so it's an easy way to make someone stand out
duck bastard
i actually feel silly having made my Frisk's eyes blue, but i was too enamored to the ~mirrored appearances~ thing and now i'm in too deep 8')
Echo
Ugh, yes, way too many modern beauty standards are tied up in dumb racist bullshit. Which I think is doubly stupid because even most white people don't look exactly like that.
a turtle
ass hair.....
Echo
Stop trying to build a perfect tiny little box and shitting on anyone who doesn't fit in there, goddamn.
duck bastard
beauty standards are a bunch of marketing to get people to buy a million make-up and diet products, and it's all fucking bullshit
нalғ-dooмed.
ass hair
reineke
I mean, I remember that I had a phase in kindergarten where I assumed it was fact that blonde and blue eyes = most beautiful, I just didn't care that much that I didn't fit it
duck bastard
plus that nice 'pale is good' racist overtones ugh ugh UGH just fuck all of it
нalғ-dooмed.
yeah honestly just...fuck that please
reineke
but then I shifted to loving dark hair and all that most
duck bastard
PEOPLE OF ALL GENETICS ARE BEAUTIFUL, PASS IT ON
a turtle
I mean I'm within a stones throw of Almost Blond and Relatively Blue Eyed so I never had to deal with it but of even my lily white cushioned ass could see it happening then It Is Happening
нalғ-dooмed.
i mean granted if i'd had different eyes i never would've discovered i was mexican and i say "discovered" because i lived in willful bliss and ignorance about my extremely mexican dad up until middle school because i grew up in a white area and i just thought he was really tan
нalғ-dooмed.
until one day this random girl follows me saying that i've got brown hair and brown eyes and this means i'm mexican
нalғ-dooмed.
surprise!!!! she was right lmao
duck bastard
yeah same, like i am the most fuckin' middle class white you can get and i can still smell the reek
reineke
huh
нalғ-dooмed.
dat internalization man, it good
Curdy&Comfy
LMAO I'M LAUGHING You and I kind of had the same experience Zero, though I didn't have someone physically tell me anything.
duck bastard
oh yikes 8C
Curdy&Comfy
I just mentally put myself under the label of white for a long time as a kid too because most of my friends were white and so was my mom
Curdy&Comfy
(My dad was barely around due to working really late shifts a lot so I would only see him right before bed so we didn't bond a lot)
нalғ-dooмed.
I JUST...EVERYONE I KNEW WAS WHITE
Curdy&Comfy
It wasn't until I got a group of friends who were Brown Like Me that I realized hey wait a minute
нalғ-dooмed.
I HAD LIKE...VAGUELY BROWN SKIN? AND I FIGURED OH I WAS JUST REALLY TAN
Curdy&Comfy
sldighsodighdso yEAH SAAME
нalғ-dooмed.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CONCEPTUALIZATION OF THESE THINGS
Curdy&Comfy
Then there was that awkward phase of trying to reconcile the "but I thought I was white" with the "but Vanessa, you still have been experiencing racism your Whole Life"
Curdy&Comfy
"Even being relatively sheltered through the protection of your mother's white privilege, somethings still slipped in"
нalғ-dooмed.
same oh my god
a turtle
#justwesternsocietythings the Default Human State is obviously white
нalғ-dooмed.
suddenly realizing what everyone meant when they called you "dirty" or "beaner"
Curdy&Comfy
Y E A H
нalғ-dooмed.
o....oh.......oh......
Curdy&Comfy
Or when they'd give you dirty looks for walking through a store, or constantly asking "Where you REALLY came from"
a turtle
fucking christ
нalғ-dooмed.
YEAH A LOT OF SHIT BECAME RETROACTIVELY OBVIOUS GOD
Curdy&Comfy
Gotta love that cushion of internalization messing up your perceptions of the world lmao
нalғ-dooмed.
but hey they say write what you know
нalғ-dooмed.
so frisk has that lovely internalized shit weeee
a turtle
PROTECT FRISK 2K17
Curdy&Comfy
WEEEEEE I definitely do some wish fulfillment with Mettaton in having him be like "no, every kind of human is beautiful I am enamored with All Human Beauty" because man do I not want to deal with him potentially learning the horrible standards of human beauty through magazines that fell down to the Underground :/
нalғ-dooмed.
i mean monster culture seems pretty dang accepting all around
нalғ-dooмed.
they build their own beauty standards
нalғ-dooмed.
a rectangle is goddamn sexy
Curdy&Comfy
Well yes, but the problem is that he consumed a lot of human media that fell down and the general stuff isn't that inclusive.
Curdy&Comfy
So he is re-disposed to being accepting, but it's hard to not imagine that he'd have some Very Wrong Impressions of the world initially coming up to the surface
Curdy&Comfy
....pre-disposed*
a turtle
opinion: mettaton 500% shouldn't be white in humanized AUs
Curdy&Comfy
LMAO THAT'S WHY I MAKE HIM BROWN WHENEVER I HUMANIZE HIM
нalғ-dooмed.
s a m e tho
a turtle
alphys also 500% didn't use white people as reference when building him
нalғ-dooмed.
i'm very tired of humanized renditions of literally anyone and it's all just
нalғ-dooмed.
"skinny white person"
Curdy&Comfy
We were barely saved from this with Mettaton thanks to his EX form
нalғ-dooмed.
goddamn when i played wheatley from portal for a hot second i did my damnedest to find a non-white pb
a turtle
like the very """palest"""" he would be is kpop/jrock-based Asian feasuures
нalғ-dooмed.
just because i was SO SICK OF SKINNY WHITE BOY WHEATLEYS
Curdy&Comfy
YEAH, EXACTLY
Curdy&Comfy
Because Alphys (Alphys)
Curdy&Comfy
And also Mettaton (Mettaton)
нalғ-dooмed.
Curdy&Comfy
(they are both huge fucking nerds no matter how much he denies it)
a turtle
end Trunglr's obsession with skinny white boys
Curdy&Comfy
HOLY SHIT WHAT A PERFECT PB
a turtle
FRICK
нalғ-dooмed.
also end the jack frost human sanses
a turtle
destroy skinny white bill skinny white sans skinny white Zacharie skinny white A Fucking Clock
нalғ-dooмed.
white haired skinny ass pretty ass white boy fucks
нalғ-dooмed.
THE FUCKING CLOCK
нalғ-dooмed.
GOOD GOD
a turtle
the clock was a pestilence lmao
a turtle
Disney villains revamped, starring skinny white Ursula and skinny white Jafar
нalғ-dooмed.
i can't believe that was a thing
нalғ-dooмed.
i still just...like i remember it, i was there, but i can't believe it
a turtle
our collective fever dream
a turtle
also remember: making the clock and the... paintbrush or notebook whatever be Skinny White Heterosexuals
нalғ-dooмed.
i remember it chillingly
Curdy&Comfy
They could have had so much fun with those designs and humanizing them but nooooooooooooooooooooo
Curdy&Comfy
Gotta do the White Skinny Person default
duck bastard
jesus god i'd forgotten that whole phase
duck bastard
plz to be more varied humanizations kthx bai
a turtle
Canon Humanized Bill is my favourite thing on this earth
duck bastard
S A M E
duck bastard
it's a beautiful creation
a turtle
more creators shutting down Generic Pretty White Boy in a Suit
duck bastard
god bless alex hirsch
Curdy&Comfy
Alex Hirsch is such a good
a turtle
a barely related gripe: it's always a Suit or a Hoodie MENSWEAR IS SO BORING
Curdy&Comfy
YES
Curdy&Comfy
YES IT IS
Curdy&Comfy
OH MY GOD
a turtle
anything but the most drab generic neutral clothing is Pushing It
Curdy&Comfy
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO DRESS METTATON
Curdy&Comfy
HE WOULD NOT SETTLE FOR BORING SUITS ALL THE TIME
a turtle
thanks, centuries of homophobia and misogyny
Curdy&Comfy
HE NEEDS FLAIR!!! BRIGHT COLORS!!! DIFFERENT CUTS!!!
нalғ-dooмed.
a slinky dress
Curdy&Comfy
I have such an easier time putting him in nice dresses than I do menswear because there are so many more options
a turtle
things I hate: when Conscious and Enlightened people will cw tag for Gendered Clothing
a turtle
but what they mean is Not Sufficiently Masculine Clothing
нalғ-dooмed.
mmmmmmmmm feels good
нalғ-dooмed.
masculine is the default, androgynous really just means Masculine
a turtle
I fuckin love layers and frills and drapey things and colors and ribbons
a turtle
but that's all off limits unless you're a Girly Girl
Curdy&Comfy
uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
Curdy&Comfy
It's even worse when I try typing "high fashion" for mens fashion
Curdy&Comfy
It just becomes You Are Wearing A Grey and Black Sack, Congrats!
Curdy&Comfy
Plus optional eye liner
a turtle
the most daring you can aspire to otherwise is like. a lifetime of Reassuringly Masculine plaid shirts
a turtle
I despise men's haute couture lol Rick Owens is a nightmare
a turtle
mmmmmMmMMMMMM love that LITERALLY NOTHING BUT SHAPELESS BLACK HEFTY BAGS
a turtle
I want more people to dress like fuckin... Jojo characters. patterns and vivid colors and unabashedly bared midriffs
Curdy&Comfy
yes, please, anything that adds some variety to menswear
◬ X O L O T L
Why does this plurk remind me of an old thread with Frisk?
a turtle
I'm going to explode if I see another Edge Pushing Counterculture Trend that's just like. a bow tie.
Chara Dont
not so much a push as a tap there
a turtle
the same boring safe neckwear that's existed for a got dang century. wow
нalғ-dooмed.
it's so frustrating that there is no gender-neutral formal wear, and gender-neutral swimwear is frustratingly rare
Curdy&Comfy
The latest trend that I have been seeing backlash against is men wearing chokers and I'm like no. please, let them wear this,
Curdy&Comfy
YES THAT TOO
Curdy&Comfy
WHERE IS THE GENDER-NEUTRAL FORMAL WEAR
Curdy&Comfy
THE BATHING SUITS???? WHERE
нalғ-dooмed.
my mom be all "are you sure you want top surgery" WELL I'D LIKE TO GO FUCKING SWIMMING AT SOME POINT SO YES
a turtle
lmao the Utterly Unsurprising hostility towards Oh No That's NOT Safely Masculine things like chokers and man buns
a turtle
also FUCKIN SHIT YES
a turtle
shouldn't have to wear a dang surfing wetsuit to go to a pool
duck bastard
wait since when the fuck were CHOKERS not a thing dudes could wear
duck bastard
like maybe i just hung around too many goths but
duck bastard
what??????
Curdy&Comfy
LMAO YEAH CHOKERS ARE APPARENTLY TOO FEMININE NOW
duck bastard
WHY WITH THE HYPER AGGRESSIVE SEXUALIZATION
a turtle
Toxic Masculinity and homophobia suppressing fashion lol
duck bastard
throws up hands, tosses society in the garbage
duck bastard
start over this one is rotten
нalғ-dooмed.
we live in a doomed timeline
a turtle
truly the timeline God abandoned
duck bastard
we really fuckin do
duck bastard
fuck everyone i'm going to wear nail polish AND plaid man shirts what the fuck now society
a turtle
NAIL POLISH IS SO NICE why can't everyone have Death Red Nails to Eviscerate Their Foes
duck bastard
RIGHT
duck bastard
the only thing wrong with it is i enjoy peeling it off too much lmaoooo
Echo
If I reply with my headcanon about monster ideas of formalwear, am I derailing? Because I have Ideas.
a turtle
I hate that One Feminine Thing like undoes the neutrality of a dozen other things
duck bastard
right
duck bastard
a single frill and suddenly there must be Girly Things involved
a turtle
the only way to "compensate" and Masculinize a face isn't makeup or hair accessories or anything its like a Beard Or Nothing
Curdy&Comfy
I'd love to hear headcanons about monster fashion, but that might just be me lmao
Curdy&Comfy
AND YEAH THAT SUCKS THAT THE SECOND FEMININITY IS INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, IT'S NO LONGER GENDER NEUTRAL
Chara Dont
same
a turtle
and ymmv but 1) I don't like facial hair full stop 2) not everyone can grow a full beard lol
Curdy&Comfy
^^^^ yes that
duck bastard
YUP
Curdy&Comfy
I enjoy some facial hair, but it's gotta be taken care of well or else it is just a mess
duck bastard
and agreed i would love monster headcanons
a turtle
like I fucking love my soft pink lips and my leggings and knee socks and skirts I will die if I have to abandon them
a turtle
ya we can headcanon
a turtle
I know that Mettaton wears a Newscaster Suit and Alphys formals it up by wearing a dress so I wouldn't be surprised if there is Internalized Gendering of Clothing
a turtle
but at least mettaton wears a dress as a stage costume so there's that
duck bastard
probably to an extent, yeah, just from cultural osmosis
duck bastard
but it's also clear from mtt's musical and the lion commenting about the dress that it's not nearly so deep as with humanity
a turtle
I 1000% believe that Royal Attire is a delta rune robe though like fuckin fight me
duck bastard
YUP SIGNED
Chara Dont
COSIGNED
Curdy&Comfy
That dress was one of the best parts of Undertale for me though I am TERRIBLY biased
duck bastard
the dress was wonderful and glorious
a turtle
GENDER NEUTRAL ROBE OR DEATH ASRIEL WEARS IT TORIEL WEARS IT CHARA WOULD WEAR IT
duck bastard
the only reason Asgore didn't wear one is because he's supposed to be At War txt it
Curdy&Comfy
Royal Attire is TOTALLY those robes
Echo
Okay, so, since there's a lot of physical varience between monsters, fashion and beauty standards tend to be more of a guideline than strict rules. Like, any given physical presentation isn't necessarily considered ugly, it just depends on how well the individual can make it work. It's like how with humans goth is a good look for some people, but not others.
Chara Dont
(mettaton and alphys both formed the Human Fan Club, so maybe it got picked up there)
a turtle
I can't wait until chara is comfortable enough with the idea they belong as part of a family to leave Gendered formal wear behind forever
Echo
This is part of why Mettaton is considered so ridiculously attractive in-universe: he walks around with boundless confidence and goes gleefully over the top with any style he's given. He acts like he's the sexiest person in any given room, and therefore by monster standards he usually is.
a turtle
you do see a lot of general npc monsters who adhere to Gendered clothing too alas
Chara Dont
darn
a turtle
fukufire and friend in Female Skirt Having School Uniforms implying Gendered uniforms at monster school
a turtle
Hotland businessmen in businessman suits homestuck reference chimera girl in heels etc
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