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[psa] Kellogg recalls Eggo waffles due to risk of Listeria contaminatio...
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just in case people haven't heard
Rizu
I haven't eaten them in years but still replurking in case someone on my timeline does
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I don't really like waffles myself XD
Ollie
More reasons not to eat animal products. 
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I don't eat the nutri grain whole wheat variety so I'm good XD
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I also don't live in the states it was distributed in XD
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XD
apple thief ๐
Except that eating or not eating animal products has nothing to do with this? Sure. Waffles have animal products but not all food borne illnesses and risks come from
apple thief ๐
eating animal products. There are many parasites and harmful bacteria that are found in dirt - pesticides aren't the only reason to wash your fruits and veggies.
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I bet it's a conspiracy. Eleven is trying to take all the Eggos for herself.
Happy Hogswatch
Listeria's been on apples and other orchard fruits
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so it ain't just animal products affected
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Ollie
I actually had to stop doing a fruit demo last year because of Listeria recalls on Apples, Apricots and Plums
Happy Hogswatch
please don't spread ignorance that avoiding animal products will keep you safe from dangerous bacteria and parasites
Pridepuffs
well that was a very very nervous moment as I checked to see if the frozen waffles I ate this morning were the ones being recalled.
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Ty for the replurk and glad this does not affect my particular waffle love of the moment
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Ohkay
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disagreement is fine but pls do not be attacking anyone on this plurk
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everyone has a right to their own thoughts/opinions and there's no need to get harsh
WAO SUGOI!!!!
less the content i disagree with and more the tone, but ill delete it
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noted and appreciated.
Happy Hogswatch
Sorry, my issue was the tone and I felt it did need to be pointed out that most of these contamination issues are not the solely animal product-related
yaknog
i work in a healthfood store and theres no animal products anywhere and we still have to be cautious because soil contains listeria, and sprouts are a big carrier of it
yaknog
so its actually mostly plant based foods that have a risk of listeria in particular
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(i got nothing against voluntary dietary restrictions - im largely vegetarian myself but the condescension from that response made me extremely angry).
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well I mean it's fine to disagree XD I have no problem with discussions from various viewpoints but there's no need to take up arms though I understand the sentiment
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(the tee hee silly animal eaters response not OPs)
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I just want to stop it from turning into a mud slinging contest and I appreciate everyone's cooperation
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also a moment of 'gdi I had waffle for breakfast', but no, not the ones being recalled
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XD so many close calls
Ollie
It wasn't meant to be condescending in the slightest. It's true that you can get Listeria from fresh produce too, but it's more likely in animal products.
Ollie
Fruits and vegetables that get contaminated, are only contaminated by manure. It's all pretty damn connected.
yaknog
incorrect. listeria is in all soil.
yaknog
not manure
yaknog
much like botulism i believe
yaknog
like, animals can carry it and it can be passed on through manure but
yaknog
its in soil anyway, manure or not
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^
jingle bees
wosh ur veg
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Can anyone source this?
Happy Hogswatch
Listeria | FoodSafety.gov
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Unless you're eating your waffles frozen and not heating them thoroughly, listeria shouldn't be much of a problem! Small victories
yaknog
This too
Happy Hogswatch
Listeria is the name of a bacteria found in soil and water and some animals, - First Line. Yes, Animals are listed, but third - soil and bad water is the first source
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Most of what I'm reading specifically cautions against its presence in more animal sources (raw meat, unpasteurized milk + things made with it) but does mention its presence in soil
yaknog
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: cantaloupe in particular has been the source of a huge listeria scare recently!
yaknog
also we had a listeria scare here where I work, in which there is no meat/animal products around anywhere
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food safety dot gov page
Happy Hogswatch
as said, lot of orchard fruits had to be recalled last year
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listeria is a problem in anything A] precooked or B] raw
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Coldcuts and raw fruits and veggies are the big carriers
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cdc page though it is more specific to people, of course
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wash your food and cook it y'all
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also sorry for the double link! plurk refreshing is awful soemtimes
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the more you know
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Oh and unpasteurized milk and cheese but honestly anyone who eats those is taking their life in their own hands
Happy Hogswatch
and not applicable in the US
Happy Hogswatch
as the FDA bans the sale of unpasteurized dairy products in the US
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oh yeah but people still do it! Organic grocers get around it by selling the milk as "animal food" with a label that says "not for human consumption"
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some people just really gotta have their bacteria-laden dairy products
StupidSexyVโ der
cheese is a little complicated, because you can buy unpasteurized cheese but it has to be aged a certain amount
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Really the biggest threat to our food supply is the industry farming, because if one get contaminated, it contaminates a huge amount.
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I'm not sure why you would. From what I know of cheese making, you want an organism free milk to start so you can innoculate it with the strains of bacteria and fungi that you want
StupidSexyVโ der
A great amount of cheeses in Europe aren't made with pasteurized milk. I don't know the science to it, but it's much more common there
StupidSexyVโ der
Especially soft rind cheeses iirc
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Weird!
Happy Hogswatch
yeah, Americans would have to be careful about eating some of those cheeses, their bodies aren't used to them
StupidSexyVโ der
I'm not sure it is? I mean we were making cheese long before we were pasteurizing milk.
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yeah. you build some immunity to them from small exposure
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I just have had too much food safety and public health education to ever want to risk it personally
StupidSexyVโ der
Eh. Honestly us trying to sterilize everything is going to bite us in the ass
ser katherine
unpasteurized cheese is delicious
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I worry less about raw cheeses than milk, since the aging process does eliminate a lot of pathogens
draghoulionaire
Meanwhile, fucking donald trump would like to do away with the fda
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Oops I bought eggos after watching stranger things =\ ehhh its not like I'm heating them up in the woods
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Nvm is just whole wheat whew good thing I got blueberry
RobotApocalypse
oh thank goodness, my waffles are not part of this recall either
RobotApocalypse
ty for the PSA
RobotApocalypse
also
Ollie
if you don't mean to be condescending it's generally a good idea not to reply to public health PSAs with comments to the effect of
RobotApocalypse
"good thing i make smart life choices so this will never be a problem for me"
RobotApocalypse
i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you genuinely didn't realize how inflammatory such a comment would come off as
Gรคvlebocken
and not just 'I make smart life choices' but 'I'm the only person who makes smart life choices' Because the p/a smiley made the statement all the more condescending imo
RobotApocalypse
so i'm giving you this advice in good faith, not as a passive-aggressive jab
RobotApocalypse
yeah the smiley adds to the condescension effect, a lot of people read them as passive-aggressive or smug, especially when you're talking about a choice that is frequently a moral one
RobotApocalypse
such as a vegan lifestyle
DovemberPips
ashleywr: Save Eleven
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also phrasing it as an absolute contributes to the condescending effect. by saying "more reasons not to eat animal products" you're directing this statement at all readers
RobotApocalypse
who then read it as "and this is why no one should ever eat animal products"
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if your intent is only to express that you're glad it doesn't affect you, a less inflammatory way to say that might be "i'm glad i don't have to worry about this since i avoid animal products"
StupidSexyVโ der
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: you are a good person and are going a good
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Because man I would not be so gentle or understanding
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StupidSexyVโ der
: haha ty, i try!
Happy Hogswatch
Thank you - I dealt with enough militant vegans at work my patience for them off-hours is thin.
StupidSexyVโ der
I work in healthcare so yeah
Happy Hogswatch
(you wouldn't think you get that many militant vegans in a walmart, but you'd be wrong)
StupidSexyVโ der
(oh god so wrong)
StupidSexyVโ der
(i have gotten a few "i got cancer from eating the chemical food!" and just. screamed in my head and sent the nurse to educate)
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i mean to be honest i originally wanted to comment with "lmao get over yourself tho" but when i saw them say they didn't mean to be condescending i decided to be helpful instead
StupidSexyVโ der
still!
RobotApocalypse
sometimes people are just not good at saying things 
apple thief ๐
I'm happy for people for whom veganism or other diets either health or belief based work! But I get a bit snippy over misinformation so I apologize if my earlier response was out of line.
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^ this
StupidSexyVโ der
...my first instinct was to go 'spot the vegan!' so
Happy Hogswatch
^
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Thank you for restraining 
Happy Hogswatch
yeah, my issue was that it ignores that Listeria recalls are more common with fruit/veggies
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since I really just want to spread information but not you know
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start a war
StupidSexyVโ der
(that would be a VERY unhealthy diet for me, because n8v genes. My sister tried it and got extremely sick and ordered to never ever do it again so)
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: tbh it was also bc you asked people not to start fights so ty for roping that in early on
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:3
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you are also a good person and doing a good !
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to borrow the words of a certain someone
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ahaha thanks XD
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I just find peaceful discourse is more productive than otherwise
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yes, same!
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and i've found that approaching a potentially inflammatory or escalating conversation with calm and a genuine intent to educate can totally defuse it almost every time
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on the internet at least
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giving people the benefit of the doubtright at the start can go a long way
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ie "okay you're probably not just trying to be a dick, so how else can i interpret this and respond productively to that"
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/nodnod
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yeah esp since even the most well intentioned texts can be misread
RobotApocalypse
yeah exactly!
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what reads as flippant and callous might actually be exhausted or distracted
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and sometimes people are just bad at words
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start polite and then match what you're met with has been a good strategy for me so far
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and that is my Valuable Life Lesson which i now pass along to all y'all 
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/gently stuffs soapbox back into the closet
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I agree
CChuuni
Yeah, listeria is nothing to do with animals. That's how it wound up on sunflowers.
CChuuni
It's just that it's more likely to be killed in the processes meat products must use to kill other things in fact.
CChuuni
Which raw veggies / plant products DO NOT go through
CChuuni
It can incubate in cows & chickens without being noticed but this is because they eat things directly from the ground that hasn't been processed/purified
CChuuni
Also because it can be found even in cold refrigerators, this makes it harder to clear out of foods like veggies or waffles 
CChuuni
<- guess who had to figure out if an illness was delayed listeria or allergy :V
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My first thought was 'isn't that what caused the salem witchcraft hysteria??' which is incorrect (correct answer: ergot). The info re: listeria in produce is super handy though, so thanks!
Happy Hogswatch
(I think Salem is more a culture-bound hysteria) but yeah, another example of a dangerous plant-based contamination
RobotApocalypse
haha yeah salem started w/ergot and became a huge cultural hysteria
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also, the only animal products in these waffles specifically are whey and eggs, and whey is pasteurized, and eggs are a salmonella risk (only if raw), not a listeria risk
RobotApocalypse
so the recalled product may not be vegan but it's unlikely that the contamination arose from the non-vegan ingredients
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i researched this because i was curious and what the hell else am i gonna do at work, my job?? psh
CChuuni
What I was eating that was contaminated was vegan 
CChuuni
Because no one thinks to process sunflower seeds
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aren't sunflower seeds usually baked?
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or are they just not baked hot enough
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yeah i think they're usually roasted but i think sometimes they're raw
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The contamination in these waffles is probably post processing tbh... Something between the waffle being finished and being packaged.
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and likely to do with something else that is made at the same factory
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^ yeah post-processing was my assumption too
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i think the sad thing is that listeria has a stronger effect on the young and elderly and like
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idk i am supposing they're the target for eggo waffle eaters
Happy Hogswatch
yeah, same, someone not cleaning up the equipment properly or something
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is likely the culprit
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They're probably not even contaminated, many companies will do a recall if they even think it MIGHT be
Happy Hogswatch
(tbh, I'm a bit skeptical of the Ergot theory as everything involving with mass hysteria gets blamed on ergot)
Happy Hogswatch
yeah, better safe than sorry
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like, they made this batch of waffles and on their next bacterial screening they found some listeria
RobotApocalypse
yeah when it comes to contamination recalls, most companies don't want to wait until consumers actually get sick to call one
RobotApocalypse
because that's way worse publicity than having a recall in the first place
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yep!
CChuuni
Nope, they're usually just deshelled
RobotApocalypse
oh...
RobotApocalypse
i don't...think i have ever actually seen de-shelled sunflower seeds for sale before
RobotApocalypse
huh
RobotApocalypse
i had no idea that was a thing, sucking on the shells is the good part tbh
CChuuni
Kernels? Sunflower Seed Kernels 25 Lb. (1 pcs Case) That's how I usually eat them. Leave the shelled ones to lure in birds outside.
CChuuni
I also have to be careful because I'm allergic to soy & olive oil so
CChuuni
if they roast them I have the risk of being allergic 
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welp
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i learned something!
be kind,rewind๐ผ
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