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15 guesses what CC's problem with everything in this is (annoyed)
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(eyeroll)
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We are not heading into a post-apocalyptic wasteland
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and the assumption that we are NEVER EVER EVER has protected humanity
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It didn't get everyone out of Pompeii, it doesn't stop global climate change, and it doesn't help idiots choosing rashly out of fear
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Fear can absolutely keep you safe, keep you from doing stupid things that will get you killed.
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however you should never ever EVER let any decisions be made purely out of fear. Fear is what caused 9/11, fear is what caused erroneous invasions after 9/11, fear is what Trump supporters are voting on (doh)
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Fear is never inherently bad. Assuming the absolute worst? IS
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Being unwilling to do the best out of it? IS
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Fear and doubting our potential holds us back and makes us think we can't do better than in fact we absolutely can.
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
ahaha right? >>
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I could only make it halfway through this before it became too insufferable to bear.
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Yes, right-wing authoritarianism has brought fascism to our ballot box
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Yes, the climate is seriously fucked up and we're gonna be forced to adapt or suffer.
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We are already being forced to adapt. Look at the increased severity and frequency of storms. Look at coastal erosion, particularly in Louisiana
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Yes, Clinton is a shitty candidate, currently running by dint of "I actually have government experience and I'm not a fascist"
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the world will not end. the earth will continue revolving around the sun, whether we are on it or not.
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it chugged along for 4 billion years before we showed up, and our time here still accounts for less than an eyeblink.
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we did a shitload of damage, but we don't need to get fatalistic about it. we just need to rein in what we're doing and work on adapting and surviving.
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Humans are exceptional only because we combine dexterity and fine motor skills with a massive capacity for creativity and ingenuity.
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and also because we're really fucking good at killing everything in sight
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instead of being paralyzed with fear of Hitler around every corner, let's resolve to bash the fash until it doesn't dare raise its nasty head again
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thank you
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I'm sorry but I studied the rise of Hitler too and simply going "HITLER IS EVERYWHERE" is stupid as fuck
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The idea that that somehow will accomplish anything is asinine
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someone actually told me once that responding to fascism with violence only something something proves their point??
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um. you can't respond to that with anything but swift and merciless violence.
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nonviolent protest gets you killed or targeted, and ignoring it only encourages and fuels it
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fascists dgaf. they want racial and ideological purity and they don't care who gets hurt or dies in the process
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I just posted about this on facebook recently. tolerance of intolerance isn't tolerance, it's abetting.
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(doh) No. No. nooooooo. Responding to fascism with violence eggs them on and helps them
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See also communist attempts vs. Nazis during the Great Depression pre-WW2
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I think that might've been you that said it, come to think of it.
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anyway, they're a fucking menace and a blight
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I dealt with enough of that shit growing up, I damn well don't want to deal with it as an adult too.
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Do you know what brought about the downfall of the KKK?
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It wasnt' violence against them (doh) it was their violence against peaceful activists
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The Downfall of the Klan in the 1920s in the 1920s they had a leader who was a rapist and in the 60s they killed white activists and children and no one wanted to be associated with that.
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You know what brought about the end of the Nazis? yes war HOWEVER: it was because after they continually raged a holocaust that no one in the world wanted to say was justifiable.
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It's one thing to call someone inferior (WRONG, but still ONE THING) but it's quite another to brutalize them for it. (worse wrong.)
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Fascists are wrong. Don't become one yourself (unsure)
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Because "We have to be violent against them before they INEVITABLY commit evil" That is 150% what said fascists tell each other and themselves to justify evil.
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ok then. what do you propose we do about these people inciting violence against minorities, grappling for high public offices in countries throughout the world
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who condone and enjoy violence against minorities anyway
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ugh I got redundant there
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they celebrate hate and violence and spread it to others
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they raise their kids to be hateful and violent
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You are assuming the absolute worst of these people without proof. Moreover, you are further assuming that the rest of the civilized world is somehow defenseless to brainwashing by idiots. They're not.
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Educate the rest of the world, offer them better and make fascism irrelevant because no one wants to go back to the dark ages
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Do you know why people join the KKK?
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Same reason anyone joins a gang
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that has some VERY simple solutions
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For one, stop assuming the end of the world is around every corner. I repeat, that is EXACTLY what they do to recruit
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For another, stop splintering everyone into factions against each other and unite them against what is morally wrong
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Universal desire: People want a better life.
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give it to them instead of piddling around in minutia making things worse
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I'm not saying be as brave as him or put yourself in danger as much as him. I am saying, what he did worked and far better than violence against them.
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you can't subvert by doing exactly what is expected
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I have proof. Do you know how many times my own father has disowned me for calling him out and refusing to be a racist piece of shit?
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I don't even know. I lost count years ago.
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I agree we need to make life better for people so they aren't tempted into attacking others or scapegoating innocent people.
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I have a huge amount of skepticism for anyone who claims they aren't all bad though
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my dad wanted to find and join the fucking Aryan Nation when I was a kid
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he told me if I dated anyone who wasn't white he'd kill them himself
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and I hear similar things from other people who were raised like that
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it's. fucking. horrible.
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so are you saying we should focus on rescuing people from that ideology rather than making it too dangerous for them to band up and commit horrible acts?
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because I'm down with rescuing people from shitty situations, absolutely.
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no one should live surrounded by and indoctrinated to this kind of shit
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Yes. That is what I'm saying. And I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that, and it's amazing and great that you came out of it understanding that it's not good and not healthy, but making it
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violent for them will not stop them. It will only push them into banding and relying on each other and assuming that all others are bad.
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what do we do about the ones who refuse to change, though?
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By all means lock them up for what they DO do. There are a billion nitpicky laws that my family has had troubles with dealing with, it astounds me constantly how much that is not a problem for some
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Native American <- yeah? So me, my sis, and BOTH BROTHERS have had varying degrees of CPS & the like involvement because we're obviously not properly cared for on account of being Native. (doh) The reasons
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given changed. But it was always the same 1) my Dad got sick (Gulf War Syndrome/CFIDS -> because meds given to boost immune system as he's Native American + pollution where we lived = CFIDS) -> my sis had
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extreme problems, had to go into foster care for a few years, my mom was suicidal because the schools were telling her she's a bad mother and that she was poisoning us and we'd all be better off without her
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(y e a h)
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3) I got CFIDS, got sent to migraine boot camp because mitochondrial dysfunction is not really recognized in MA and they even had a thing with basically kidnapping a kid from CT :|
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4) Bro got CFIDS. 5) Other bro got Lyme. -> 6) Sis got pnuemonia 7 times in one year = saw a specialist who is helping boost the immune system thing
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TL;DR there are systems in place but people aren't using them and still letting them get misused
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fix them.
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I got violent after my brother started getting bullied hardcore (that Native thing again) and I snapped and realized after a decade of being bullied myself that bullies didn't exclusively pick their targets and
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stick to them, they just went after whoever was easier/weaker.
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I deeply understand the desire to fight back. I spent a long time not fighting because I thought it was stronger to just survive. And when I realized I could protect people more BY fighting, there was very
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VERY little to hold me back.
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I am NOT compassionate, I am not nice. I am not a cop because of health, but also because I don't trust myself to stay as calm and GOOD as cops SHOULD. I know, they don't always. But nevertheless
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My Dad spent 10 years trying to get me to fight back and defend myself, and I wouldn't. But when I realized I could protect others? There really wasn't much holding me back. So I'm very keenly aware of what a
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punch to the nose can do to deter someone
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However, I'm also keenly aware of people who are scared, people who think that proves them right, that it justifies their reaction to get as violent as they please. I'm NEVER EVER EVER EEEEEEEEEEEVER going to
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say Malcolm X was wrong. I don't think he was. I don't think Obama did nearly enough to stand up to Republicans. But if you think violence is justified just by an ideal, you are acting worse than them. And
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they really ARE just waiting for you to make the first move.
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Putin did it over and over and over and over AND OVER in Ukraine and still is, because he knows
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He KNOWS WW2, and Korean War, and Vietnam, and everything else
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He has to make it seem like the other one punched first.
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And I GET IT. SOMETIMES PUNCHING FIRST ISN'T WRONG
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But you have to know when, and you have to be in control. Otherwise, you're giving ALL that control to the very enemy you fear and loathe so much.
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And if you don't give them the chance to do better, to step back, to say "No, No, this is NOT what I want."
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You are worse. Because you are helping them justify every wrong they do. You might as well be the bullies I unleashed unholy hell on when I realized I could. And the worst/best for me was that I was 4'8" and
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NO ONE was going to believe that the 90 pound soaking wet chick was the bad guy against a 6'6" young man.
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Be very very very VERY VERY CAREFUL. Be mindful. Be SMARTER. THERE IS a time for violence. I will believe that until my Dying day because I found that time. And it was REALLY hard for me, but I stand by
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it with all my conviction.
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But it is not simply by saying "But they're fascists." It HAS to be for their actions or what label are you deserving? Don't go Judge Dredd.
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Be clever. Band to help OTHERS escape and be free and do everything they can.
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
I think you are compassionate and nice
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I'm really not XD
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
<3
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<3
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
Bull <3
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
but that's okay I'll believe in the you etc carry on
𝔯𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔴 𝔭𝔦𝔯𝔞𝔠𝑦~
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My Mom's side is Iroquois, and my Dad's is Huron. My Dad's side has a berserker rage that once you feel it, you start to understand the strength in it..... and the danger. I've gotten that bad USUALLY ONLY a
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*with my own family
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or "against." (fighting them)
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My Mom's side has a haughty arrogant streak of pride like you cannot imagine if you don't live it.
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My fiance didn't get it, but subtly the more time he spends with my grandparents, the closer touches he gets
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The worst things they ever did, were to each other.
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Iroquois even adopted Huron men into the tribe on occasion
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(Matriarchal as fuck)
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But I've read a lot of the books about the tortures and just really fucking awful things they did to each other
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and part of me wouldn't ever want to believe it, and part of me isn't even as surprised as I feel I should be at such things. Because I know them. And I lvoe them, but they're fucked up
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The more they fought each other, the more justified they each felt in torturing each other
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elderly women, little kids, didn't matter
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The Iroquois sided with the British, the Hurons with the French
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(though my Iroquois great-great-grandmother married a French-Irish-American, no British there ironically)
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And it just egged them both on even more
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The only times they stopped? Was when one of them would go "What do you want?"
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The Hurons REALLY just wanted to have territory enough to be safe, and the Iroquois REALLY just wanted their territory unfringed and to make up for losses with other soldiers (see also: adopting in Hurons)
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That was also why the Huron got along with the French; they wanted the same things, and the Iroquois & British were a hot mess (also similar things but "safe territory unfringed" overlapped eventually)
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The KKK isn't uniform in their fascism. Some of them want cult dictatorship, money, power, and frankly they can't HAVE that by leaving the KKK (yet/that they know of/as easily see also: gangs)
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but a lot of them, a lot of their "recent recruits" at least, are just scared and convinced their back is against the wall because they're all going to be slaughtered by ~others~/tribes/ethnicities/etc.
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Unless they band together to DO SOMETHING about it.
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I've heard KKK straight up say that all blacks are genetically predisposed to crime and low intelligence. It's always taken me awhile to collect words enough other than to say "Wow that's the most fucking
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insane thing I've ever heard, you're a fucking moron," because that's not helpful and I know it
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But I've seen some of those same guys slowly taught by African Americans stronger and smarter than I am that no, that's not true. Not at all.
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It's VERY VERY VERY VERY hard to stop believing something you consider a basic fact. Like the idea that journalism should be hunting for truth and justice and uncovering scandals ala Watergate.
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And for a lot of them, it's that ingrained. It offered them solace in the idea that their fears are justified. That nothing is their fault, that things are really rigged against them, that they just weren't
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given a chance they needed, and that they have close friends and allies to help guard their back
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It's also hard to know when your friends are lying to you.
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When I was 14 and my mother was suicidal, and ALL my siblings except me were in foster care
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I still had chronic migraines daily, and I was grappling with dealing with A LOT OF SHIT.
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I became a workaholic because ANYTHING was better than dealing with the home shit (I was also being physically abused by a family member and unable to express it properly to anyone except my Mom and even she-
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I was trying to shield from the full extent)
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And so I volunteered all over the god damn place because 14 year olds aren't allowed to work anywhere except McDonald's in MA
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I fell in with eco-radfems
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It took me 10 years to really TRULY get a handle on "No, they were not as awesome as I thought, I was just latching onto it as a substitution for my extreme idealism, my still not-quite atheism but
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anti-religion, and the fact that my family was such a mess."
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And that's what happens with a lot of gangs and KKK guys. Their home life is a mess or they don't HAVE friends, they don't have ANYONE, so an actual GROUP figure offering to befriend them and make them one of
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their own who will have their back is a BIG DEAL.
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Violence. Will. 100% make them go to that family harder. I GUARANTEE IT. Because I know. That is what they use to recruit. They argue that a war is coming. They don't SAY they'll CAUSE the war because that
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would make people afraid of them and then the government could have excuse to bomb them liek MOVE in Philadelphia or Waco, Texas.
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No, they say, non-whites are sooooo inherently violent (why just look at history, and even most white/European wars were caused by Jewish/non-whites of course!) that it's just a matter of time before uprisings
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happen again, as they always did in history. And wouldn't it be great if you didn't go under first and foremost?
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Violence against them is playing into the cult leaders' hands.
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It's 100000000000% what they want. It's what they TELL their own troops to EXPECT.
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I loathe them. I do. As arrogant and wrong as my grandmother can be, she's still SO FAR Left of those whackjobs that even she loathes them and all they stand for.
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Well perhaps that is not surprising now that I think of it. Iroquois and adoption \:|/ but still -_-'
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I DO NOT HAVE IT IN ME To try to rescue or go help them. I just don't.
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I UNDERSTAND the desire to punch them in the face, I do. But it's REALLY what they want.
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see, the problem is, I don't have it either.
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Then by all means, avoid them. Just beg as I do that others are better than you. Because I repeat, violence is what they want.
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They are like the 1990s whiplash scam artists, waiting to get punched in the face to sue you. Only instead
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the only reason I got out is because I did like my dad said and thought for myself, and I realized he was full of shit and his paranoia was probably pathological
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They'll try to rile you up 10000000% as much as possible all just to prove that they were right all along
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Because I don't even think THEY think it's really true
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I think part of them knows it's not, so they try to make it true so that they can live with themselves a little longer
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ofc, telling him or my brother that got my ass kicked and treated like absolute garbage until I just ceased contact
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/nod/ I'm sorry. My abuser at least was not in a position of authority over me.
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Which had mixed results not that I think of it
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I'm 31 and I still freak the fuck out if something hits me in the head and start hitting myself
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just. Hang strong. Don't let them dictate your actions here on out
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like, I only just made that connection within the last three months
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ugh. yeah yeaaaaah fuck. There's still like moments my bro and me have where we pause and realize "oh right that's because of our abuser <<;"
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and it scares the shit out of me that this kind of fucked up horrible ideology is becoming more mainstream
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like, EVERYTHING in the alt-right/GG/MRA/PUA sphere triggers the fuck out of me
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fwiw: my abuser was VERY pathological. They DID get over two decades of therapy (still in) and a LOT OF HELP (mostly because they're female)
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-> BUT THEY DID CHANGE.
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I can't even read Facebook for long because my friends and family share what's going on and talk about it and it just brings it all back
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And if you'd asked me when I was 14 if people could change that fundamentally I would have said no
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yeahhh
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hahah yeah <<; We both don't use facebook because fuck that no thanks
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MAYBE WHEN WE'RE STRONGER IDK
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my dad hates psychiatry. hates doctors in general, but actively tried to prevent my mom and I from getting psych help
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yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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I don't think he could be "helped" yet because he doesn't want to be -_-'
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last I heard he had dementia or pseudo-dementia or smth and COPD that he wasn't bothering to treat
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exactly
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So >> no offense but he'd be high in my "Jail is fine gtfo" card but
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^ Yes
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my brother's in counseling ONLY because his son died
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:< At least he got there
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Though I'm sorry for his loss
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And your nephew
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like, the last time we communicated (because my mother insists that we should get along and be friendly even though he treats me like trash and calls my husband an "it")
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he called me horrible shit for being on disability
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ofc, his daughter is now severely disabled and his family lives off my mom in her house
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but that's somehow not the same
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I know when my mom dies, I'm not getting anything
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because she named my brother executor of her will and he lives in her house
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and he's already said that if I set foot anywhere near the house, he'll have me arrested on bullshit charges
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so :\ she doesn't really care that he hates me and doesn't acknowledge Ken as human
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my mom constantly talks about my niece but I'm never gonna meet her
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I don't even know what family bonds are supposed to be anymore
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I have a friend who told me to view her as a sister and I'm like "I don't understand how any of that works so..."
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:< sorry
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I have my husband, and three beautiful cats
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and that's... about as much as I can handle
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/nod!!! Cats and husband are good.
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I knew I couldn't be a good mom, so I had a hysterectomy a few years ago
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/nooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
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I hear that. hard.
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and then my biological clock started going off recently
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ouch
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(well, I had it for that and also because I have fibromyalgia and cramps were already completely debilitating before that)
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so yeah... I'm just fostering kittens when I can, but I lost two of them this summer
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and that crushed me and I haven't been able to foster since
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/huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug
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Oh dood. FM. That is part of what my Dad/me/Moosey have
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yeah :-( CFIDS is closely related to it
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/nod/ I JUST kicked the FM part of mine, but it comes back if I push myself (Moosey too) and ironically my Dad was free of the FM part for years and years until recently
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Are you able to see a specialist/rheumatologist at least?
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I don't have quite as much fatigue, except when I'm having a lupus flare
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yes, finally. I have a rheumatology CNP who actually did antibody panels on me and found the lupus
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ahhhhh lupus /lays on side/ my Grandmy had that (Dad's side) before she died
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goooooooooooooood
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Yeah antibodies!!! (drinking)
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she's amazing and I was super depressed earlier this year because she went on leave and I thought she wasn't coming back
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omg I have been so without people knowing even this much that I am just omg people know what I am talking about
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uuugh at least she is? >:3
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yeah, the more I talk to my mom about it, the more it really seems like my grandma had FM too
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and yeah she came back and I was so happy I nearly cried at my appointment with her
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I was on Lexapro for like 5 years and that helped tooooooooooooooooons with the FM :T
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that's really interesting! that's not one usually prescribed for it
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and then now Moosey & I are doing Cymbalta/Duloxotine for the migraines/CFIDS/might be FM
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the only thing that's helped is Plaquenil for me
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/nod! Yup it has to be
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teeeny tiny dosing though
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oooh
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and I'm on Effexor (which is related to Cymbalta, same class) for depression already
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/nod! My Dad is
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only bad part is I need annual eye exams and I really should be wearing sunscreen more
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apparently plaquenil can fuck with the retinas
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(thinking) I did not know that.
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and I can't take prednisone at all for flares because it makes me outright suicidal
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last time I had a flare, I ended up on Medrol, then meloxicam
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Ohhhh damn :T I love prednisone >> But I am stubborn af and I used to be a sports captain so I am like "STEROIDS THOUGH" because we all had to take anti-steroid lectures and such
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because Gladys wasn't back yet and the rheumatology residents were like "lol I don't think you have lupus but w/e here"
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