Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:12 PM
[TKA] Vol 2 continued
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:12 PM
I really like Tang Rou
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:12 PM
after Wang Jiexi invites her to join a pro club, that conversation
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:13 PM
Wang: "So wait, why do you keep going out of your way to challenge us if you don't care about becoming a pro"
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:13 PM
Tang: "To become a better player"
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:13 PM
Wang: "Then what"
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:13 PM
Tang: "What do you mean, then what, that's the whole point"
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:16 PM
also I just
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:16 PM
I love that for this entire volume
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:17 PM
this went from "MMO anime" to "Speedrunning drama anime"
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:17 PM
With all these pro players theorycrafting ways to shave another 30 seconds off of early game dungeons for just
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:17 PM
NO REASON
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:26 PM
Ghostblades sound fucking sick
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:26 PM
I want to play one
moontouched
@rukafais
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:30 PM
RIGHT
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:31 PM
I'd totally play Glory
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 5:31 PM
and never touch the arena
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:07 PM
I still can't figure out the pro match scoring system
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:10 PM
Oh hey I hit vol3
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:17 PM
Well you could play DFO I guess. It's on Steam now.
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:19 PM
Ghostblades are called soul benders there I think.
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:19 PM
It's a 2D brawler not a FPS game though.
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:30 PM
I'm sure we'll get indepth details when Ye starts up his new official pro team in volume 12
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:31 PM
like what I know for sure is
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:31 PM
>Format is 1v1x3, then 3v3, then 5v5
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:31 PM
>Winning a 1v1 is worth 1 point
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:32 PM
>Winning the 3v3 round without losing anyone is worth 2 points
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:32 PM
>Games always result in 10 points between the two teams
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:33 PM
huh
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
So I guess there's a point at which 3v3 gets one point per team
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
because in 301 VS EE, EE wins two 1v1 matches and Sun Xiang solos the enemy team in the 3v3
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
3v3 is worth 2. 5v5 is worth 5.
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
if it's more even
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
that's a real weird system
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
but how's that calculated
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
because doesn't it basically mean that only the last round matters
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:34 PM
if you lose the 5v5, you have to perfect everything else to tie
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
it'd make more sense for 3v3 to also be 3
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
or maybe 5v5 is like
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
the scoring system I'd go with for this would basically be
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
balanced on knockout percent
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
after every match, 1 point for each standing character on your team
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:35 PM
It's a little strongly weighted yeah. Probably should have been 3 points not 5.
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:36 PM
so then with the 5+1 for the reserve player
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:36 PM
max possible score is 12
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:36 PM
like, percentage
Love Snake Kaja
@kajarainbow
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:36 PM
But your proposal is good.
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:37 PM
then if EE got perfected by 301 in the last round (I forget if they did), the final score would've been 5-7
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:37 PM
it's 5 points and then if you take out 100% of the opposing team and they take out 60% of yours then something something
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:37 PM
ok prof's is simpler
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:37 PM
2-1 from the individual rounds, 3-0 for the group round, 0-6 for the team round
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:38 PM
I guess the idea's that the score adds up the same so it's weighing the teams against each other
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:38 PM
rather than having, like, comparisons
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:39 PM
like in football where you can have a score of zero to 66
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:39 PM
or a score of 20-21
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:39 PM
(I dont know how football scores actually add up but you get the idea)
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:40 PM
pretend I said basketball instead actually I know basketball
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:40 PM
having the scores always add up to X doesn't really seem to add anything
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:40 PM
it's consistency
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:40 PM
like, how the olympics are always advancin
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:41 PM
and there's these solid records
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:41 PM
that are always being beaten
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:41 PM
I think I'm lost
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:42 PM
what do olympic records have to do with sports scoring systems
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:42 PM
its more like - it's recording the skill level of one team against another that one particular time
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:43 PM
so is my system? 12-0 is the best possible score, but it could still convey extra info within the space of 'perfect' games
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:43 PM
you could win every fight in a match and only get 7-0 because you suffered some casualties in your later wins
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:43 PM
Yeah, exactly, I'm saying that their system isn't built to do that
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:43 PM
...are we both arguing for the same side or are we arguing for different sides
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:44 PM
you're arguing that it could be built more exact and give more information and I'm arguing that it's designed to not give that extra information
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:45 PM
like, there's no room for getting extra points for doing it better after a certain point
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:45 PM
why would that be a design objective
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:46 PM
...I guess a better comparison would be the dungeon records, there's all this extra room to cut corners and improve
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:47 PM
simplicity/aesthetics
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:47 PM
my gripe with the 1-2-5 system canon seems to be using is that it trivializes the first rounds
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:47 PM
if both sides take a 1v1 win, then the group round no longer matters, period
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:48 PM
because whoever wins the team round will win the game
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:48 PM
like, how they calculate overall ranking might have a lot to do with how the final score from everyone is always gonna be a multiple of ten
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:48 PM
so adding in a potential +2 throws that off
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:48 PM
it's like Quidditch scoring, where vast swaths of the game don't matter at all
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:49 PM
yeah, it'd definitely be better if it were 3-3-4 instead, and/or if the last round weren't winner takes all
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:50 PM
the worse you do in the solo/group rounds, the more you should have to win by in the team round
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:50 PM
Like, you get all five points if all your folks are standing and you win
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:50 PM
you know what it should be 20 points total
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:51 PM
last round is you get 5 for the win, +1 for every player on your side still standing, loser gets +1 for every player they took out
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:52 PM
so if you sweep it's all 10 points, if it's down to the wire winner gets 6 and loser gets 4
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:52 PM
if you wanted to invert the scale, you could do 1 per kill instead of 1 per survivor
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:52 PM
either way, max score is 12
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:52 PM
any decent ranking system would easily be able to handle not having consistent score sums between matches, there are hundreds of ranked sports/games so it's necessarily a solved problem
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:52 PM
yeah but doing both means you get a stable end result
dragon time
@MadarFoxfire
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 6:54 PM
maybe the designer is a fussy obsessive who likes round numbers
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 7:53 PM
Playing games is for fun. Nobody spends money on a game to treat it as bitter work.
Quinneapolis
@quinn2win
Tue, Aug 30, 2016 7:53 PM
Citation needed
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