It's really rare that I bump into kink things that I haven't written, but this A/B/O thing has me kind of stumped. flops over
The Fool
It's really rare that I bump into kink things that I haven't written, but this A/B/O thing has me kind of stumped. flops over
It's really rare that I bump into kink things that I haven't written, but this A/B/O thing has me kind of stumped. flops over
nɑnɑmin
haha yeah. I read lot of fic last week in prep for it.
Becky
flashily: YEP! TONS of fic reading.
nɑnɑmin
and still, I keep worrying if I am doing it right.
nɑnɑmin
even though everyone does it a little different. so there's not a real right
The Fool
I'm just.. super not into it XP
The Fool
In general, I mean, so I've never ever read it, and really didn't have time to do so considering how much I RP.
Becky
flashily: Yeah. There's lots of changes going on. Just reacting to the other person works.
Becky
The Fool
: Then don't do it? 
Becky
Not flip. I know there are other players who aren't doing it/or even any o the plot. It should be okay to write around.
The Fool
LOL WELL I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS PLANNED/GOING
The Fool
I'm not skipping it!
Becky
Oops! /hugs
The Fool
I'm just doing the HOW WRITE
The Fool
It's not like I'm squicked by it or made uncomfortable? It's just not my thing. XP
The Fool
I'm really excited about the specific threads I have though, and I did say I'm not really doing physical changes for my characters, beyond pheromones and urges to mate, etc.
The Fool
And I don't mind the physical changes other people are doing for their characters.
The Fool
I was more musing that it's WEIRD for me to be the one who hasn't written/tried something.
The Fool
My general rule is actually usually that I don't write many things at all that I haven't tried IRL, to some degree or other. 
The Fool
So obviously this one doesn't work for that considering it's not actually physically possible for human being things.
Becky
yeah, that one would be a bit hard to try
The Fool
Which I think is where I'm stumped, because I usually write fairly realistic porn. (including being awkward, obviously, since that's my thing)
The Fool
platformperil: I KNEW YOU WOULD BE
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I'm just not used to being the one who hasn't done/written something before. It's different!
It'sGonnaBeMae
I actually had no idea what it was until I did some research and now I'm easing into it slowly...
The Fool
I had seen it in fic for fandoms that had nothing to do with any kind of actual plot that would make sense for it, and headtilted and then hit the back button a lot. 
I had seen it in fic for fandoms that had nothing to do with any kind of actual plot that would make sense for it, and headtilted and then hit the back button a lot.
It'sGonnaBeMae
Some body modification but not as extreme as some.
It'sGonnaBeMae
I've played heat/rut plots, mate marking, and even soulbonding plots but I had no idea what knotting was before this LOL
The Fool
I've never done any of those. 
It'sGonnaBeMae
I love that kind of stuff LOLOL soulbonding only in straight fantasy settings though of course.
The Fool
nods
The Fool
I don't really write many fantasy settings?
The Fool
Or if I do, they're in-world canon things.
It'sGonnaBeMae
The whole feral/primal/animal instinct stuff is always fun too- marking/biting/scratching. Yup. love it.
It'sGonnaBeMae
yeah
The Fool
IDK it's just weird for me.
It'sGonnaBeMae
well to each his own- it's what makes this game so interesting and fun.
The Fool
nods
The Fool
Well, it's not that I'm weirded by it in terms of the kink itself, I mean?
The Fool
It's just weird for me not to be interested in things.
The Fool
Because I've written a lot of very weird and fucked up things.
The Fool
ahaha now people are going to think I'm kink-shaming when all I was saying was that I'm not used to being the person "new" at something.
The Fool
Since I thought I'd written just about everything by now.
The Fool
I think it really does come down to the "I haven't written much I haven't done in real life' thing, mostly.
The Fool
XP
wαndєríng chíld
honeybutt there's a first time for everything
wαndєríng chíld
even for you!
The Fool
I have messed around a bit in fantasy worlds or with characters using powers of various types during sex, but they're usually to mimic things that they could do in more mundane ways, just less efficiently or
The Fool
amusingly.
The Fool
wαndєríng chíld
:
gσкυ∂єяα
it's totally new to me too. I was just like ABUH HOW DO I A/B/O
It'sGonnaBeMae
gσкυ∂єяα
: Same here. I was like- wtf is that? O_o
gσкυ∂єяα
|D this is why ariel is good though - new things to try
The Fool
nɑnɑmin
If my BFF hadn't already been talking to me about it for several weeks, I might have been in the HUH? WTF? group
nɑnɑmin
but knowing about it and writing it. I needed to do my research anyway
gσкυ∂єяα
researching is half the fun anyway! /says the annabeth player
nɑnɑmin
I mean, if I'll scurry off for 20 minutes to research if a guy can have an orgasm and ejaculate without even being hard for a single tag, you'd be silly to think I wouldn't go above and beyond for an event
The Fool
LOL
The Fool
See, I don't have to research that kind of stuff ever
The Fool
>>
The Fool
I've had subs do that ~
nɑnɑmin
XD
The Fool
Which I guess is the thing. I do sometimes research very specific things, or look up possible paraphernalia to use, but I really really haven't ever written porn I didn't have experience to draw from on. XP
nɑnɑmin
well. there's plenty of other things I don't have to research
The Fool
nods
nɑnɑmin
because of experience. but that wasn't one of them.
gσкυ∂єяα
haha I have plenty of experience, but I like to research for accuracy anyway. especially since I could never experience A/B/O for myself
The Fool
I think I mostly write a lot of d/s. Granted, a lot of the d/s I write is also intentionally shitty, with my less experienced characters. Mikado is a shitty dom, on purpose, right now.
The Fool
gσкυ∂єяα
: lol I think that's why it doesn't interest me much though
gσкυ∂єяα
GOOD POINT
The Fool
not because I don't like doing research, because I love doing other kinds of research for RP?
The Fool
I've... converted recipes for ingredients available in worlds.
The Fool
gσкυ∂єяα
I find that I like kinks that I could experience for myself more too
nɑnɑmin
I have a thing for ones I can't experience. and ones I wouldn't want to experience for real. but I also love the ones I have experienced.
The Fool
I think I would be more into kinks like that if I were playing characters who could normally experience them though too. LIke if I had a werewolf or something.
LIke if I had a werewolf or something.
The Fool
It'd be kind of different because then it would be kind of... part of the character?
nɑnɑmin
/nods
The Fool
I'm less interested in things that don't to me reveal anything about the character themselves. Because I like my tl;dr thinky porn.
gσкυ∂єяα
yeah that makes all the sense!
The Fool
And I'm not really that into characters reacting to random body changes and stuff, because it feels too random to me.
nɑnɑmin
there's some kinks that I'm RPing because they're things that would suit Leo but I have no interest in myself.
The Fool
Though i'm not against them reacting to other people's?
The Fool
LIke xeno too, I do enjoy writing my characters playing off characters that aren't human and don't have human anatomy, but I wouldn't be interested in them suddenly turning into one.
The Fool
The Fool
LOL some of my characters have kinks I really wouldn't be into!
The Fool
I used to write a character who had a major kink for ... things involving cleaning... 
The Fool
IDK it's just interesting for me though. I don't bump into territory I haven't covered often.
nɑnɑmin
haha yeah. your reasoning makes perfect sense to me.
It'sGonnaBeMae
gσкυ∂єяα
: Yup! So when Rhode-mun was down for some rough alpha stuff... I decided to give it a go! 
It's been very interesting to write.
It's been very interesting to write.
It'sGonnaBeMae
flashily: Yeah, definitely hearing you about writing kinks that my characters would like but I'd say, hell no to lol
It'sGonnaBeMae
And yeah, Leca, I can imagine that this is a new experience lol
The Fool
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IKR?
The Fool
I've been writing porn (not fandom porn, but porn) for almost 20 years XP
nɑnɑmin
XD only about 14 years for me.
The Fool
lol
nɑnɑmin
but yeah. like I would never have thought in a million years I'd write porn with a Transformer. but it's just so fitting for Leo and I'm just like... gotta do it.
The Fool
lol
The Fool
I've written robot porn, though not transformers. XP
nɑnɑmin
haha yeah. I would write that as well.
nɑnɑmin
even without Leo I would
The Fool
nɑnɑmin
but Transformers are another category of their own
The Fool
I've always been kind of ??? at Transformers porn, though I'm hoping to eventually write some at Ariel
nɑnɑmin
me too!
nɑnɑmin
on the ???
nɑnɑmin
since Leo's getting it on with wing during this event
The Fool
nods I have plans with Wing... eventually. We keep putting them off.
Tech Maestro
-rolls in here- haha >.> I've done a LOT of A/B/O before
The Fool
LOL WELL OURS IS ALREADY WEIRD TOO BECAUSE
The Fool
I had expected Mikado to fight Juugo taking over more than that?
The Fool
But he would up far more accepting of it than I expected, which kind of puts him out of role for the whole a/b/o thing
The Fool
The Fool
wound*
Tech Maestro
no it doesn't
The Fool
oh?
Tech Maestro
he just thought he was an Alpha when actually he was more a secondary leader
The Fool
I see!
I see!
The Fool
what kind of reactions should he have kinkwise then though?
Tech Maestro
A/B/O isn't cut and dried dominant/Sub dynamics
Tech Maestro
it's hierarchy dynamics
Tech Maestro
clearly he's not Omega -laughs-
The Fool
nods well I get that, but considering in the event people were actually physically changing to fit their roles, etc
Tech Maestro
but he's probably closer to being a dominant Beta than a proper Alpha?
The Fool
... no, he's not Omega.
The Fool
nods probably!
Tech Maestro
since, you know, he WILL yield
Tech Maestro
like Juugo? Is an Alpha here
The Fool
nods
Tech Maestro
he will patiently smack down anyone who actually tries to argue with him
The Fool
I had intended on making him uber-alpha, but then I wound up not really getting many people to plot with me that were willing to have him win
Tech Maestro
-snickers-
Tech Maestro
honestly?
Tech Maestro
it's not about winning
Tech Maestro
it's about the willingness to yield
The Fool
nods
The Fool
Which he kind of has to, in terms of survival, at that size.
The Fool
His m/o in canon is "evolving" to fit the situation.
The Fool
Which means he really probably should be a beta who can go either way, but prefers/tends to dominant.
Tech Maestro
mmhmm
Tech Maestro
that won't stop him from trying to Alpha but
Tech Maestro
well
The Fool
Which probably makes more sense for what I actually have him doing?
The Fool
Since I have threads both where he does dominate others and where he winds up having to submit.
Tech Maestro
mmhmm
Tech Maestro
since a pure Alpha would fight it all the way to the end, even if they liked it
The Fool
I could have had him doing that? But.
The Fool
I think it would feel too OOC for me, because he does tend to take a beating and then come back with a new plan.
Tech Maestro
but it's not true to him
The Fool
nods
Tech Maestro
yeah
Tech Maestro
like
Tech Maestro
Juugo?
The Fool
Which I guess is really why i don't read/get interested in the A/B/O thing usually?
Tech Maestro
he's going to stay quiet and such even all Alpha, because he wouldn't be an aggressive Alpha like, ever
The Fool
Because all the fics I've seen with it take the characters really far OOC to fit the dynamics.
The Fool
nods
Tech Maestro
I have a lot of practice with the dynamics so I know how you push and pull at it
The Fool
I mean I guess for me it's the same reason I don't like yaoi "seme/uke" stuff, because I'm not that into the personality changes.
Tech Maestro
see, the trick with these?
Tech Maestro
emphasizing a trait they have but don't use
The Fool
hmmm.
The Fool
Like with Vincent I was willing to make him go omega because for me it was taking something he plays at and making it real XP
Tech Maestro
there you go
Tech Maestro
Juugo isn't dominant, but it's because he's -terrified- to be
The Fool
I could see that!
Tech Maestro
so I just... took away that fear
The Fool
With Mikado it's more difficult for me, because he really is... um.
Tech Maestro
wishy washy
The Fool
Complicated.
Tech Maestro
?
Tech Maestro
haha
The Fool
Well, he's losing his mind at the canon point I took him from.
The Fool
He's "evolving"
Tech Maestro
and since it's your first time playing these dynamics, it's best to pick something closer to his personality
The Fool
He goes from being an normal boy to being a gang leader who is willing to do anything to reach a goal. In a short period of time.
The Fool
nods See, I'm not really all that interested in straying away from character personalities, which is why I've never really read those kinds of fics.
The Fool
I'm not even really usually interested in AUs, because once histories change, the character changes a lot for me.
The Fool
I do like characters changing over time in game settings, but over time is different from suddenly, so I get kind of stumped on things like A/B/O where the examples I've seen stray pretty far from how
The Fool
characters behave in canon.
The Fool
But i think you cleared something up for me in the whole Beta thing.
The Fool
Because I had seen that as more of an opt-out than an option?
The Fool
Because the information I was looking up on A/B/O said that betas were basically "not affected", or "normal".
The Fool
And I didn't want to opt-out, so I didn't think of saying "he's a Beta" as an option.
Tech Maestro
Ahhh it's a very important option actually. and people saying it's an opt-out just don't pay attention to how these things work
Tech Maestro
opt out would mean 'well then, he doesn't care about this A/B/O stuff
The Fool
nods
Tech Maestro
Betas, however, KNOW that they're higher in the hierarchy and would gladly do as they please with an mega
Tech Maestro
Omega*
The Fool
nods
The Fool
that makes a lot more sense
Tech Maestro
mm!
The Fool
though of course then he probably should know better than to challenge Wesker, but I'm going to say he was just that distracted by Euri.
Tech Maestro
also, betas do challenge Alphas
Tech Maestro
they just yield when they realize that they're outclassed
Tech Maestro
because lol no
Tech Maestro
not their day to be promoted
The Fool
lol well that makes sense
The Fool
I SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS I USED TO RP WEREWOLVES
The Fool
But the a/b/o fic that I've seen bouncing around felt very different from that, I think because I have a hard time getting past the original personalities I'm used to the characters having.
The Fool
XP
Tech Maestro
usually Betas are the smarter ones in a pack where Alphas are the leaders and Omegas are those that have no real chance at leading
The Fool
nods
Tech Maestro
then there are those who are under the betas, who are in the between space
The Fool
I'm totally used to that from Werewolf XP
Tech Maestro
mmhmm -amused- that's the same dynamic here
The Fool
I just wasn't applying it because it because I hadn't thought of it that way
The Fool
>>
The Fool
I think mostly because - as I said - the explanations and what little fic I did bump into came off very different?
The Fool
Maybe I just saw BAD A/B/O
Tech Maestro
you read crappy fic
The Fool
it was mostly based on live action stuff that had nothing whatsoever do with those kinds of dynamics normally though?
Tech Maestro
eeegh noooo
Tech Maestro
a lot of the A/B/O stuff I read was FFVII and Gundam Wing
The Fool
So I got very weirded out over things like characters who would normally be very caring toward each other suddenly being abusive or possessive or awful because of A/B/O LOOK A/B/O !
The Fool
THIS PERSON IS THE OMEGA SO THIS PERSON WHO TOTALLY TAKES CARE OF THEM IN CANON HAS TO TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT NOW WOOOOOOT
The Fool
Tech Maestro
er no
papermint tiger
what is A/B/O
papermint tiger
i keep on seeing plurks about it
Tech Maestro
Alpha/Beta/Omega
The Fool
Alpha/beta/omega ? Like pack dynamic type things.
The Fool
except usually porn.
Tech Maestro
and just
papermint tiger
.....huh
Tech Maestro
DUDE, a good Alpha and Beta take CARE of their Omegas
Tech Maestro
they get no BONUSES of any kind
Tech Maestro
but you don't like, flagrantly mistreat them
Tech Maestro
it's a sign of weakness in a pack -_-
Tech Maestro
seriously, if a character has a caring personality, it's not gonna go away just because they're on pack dynamics now
Tech Maestro
like
Tech Maestro
Juugo
Tech Maestro
I flipped him from being pretty hardcore submissive over to Alpha for the event
Tech Maestro
and his show of possession in the thread where he's REALLY doing it, still has him being gentle, just... upset
Tech Maestro
protective possessive anger that he would take out on OTHER people, not his Omega
papermint tiger
from what i know of the D/s dichotomy, anyone who's a Dom of any sort would never ever mistreat their sub
papermint tiger
unless the sub was like, asking for it or something
Tech Maestro
mmhmm
Tech Maestro
A/B/O is pretty much that dynamic maginified into a packdynamic, see?
papermint tiger
and even then, a good Dom would know how far to go and where the lines were
papermint tiger
/nod
The Fool
nods see, I love writing d/s things, but I like them from a standpoint of exploring why the character would CHOOSE to do them.
papermint tiger
so yeah i admittedly skimmed this plurk but i don't understand any mentality about the A/B's abusing or neglecting their O
The Fool
Which is different from A/B/O because it's supposed to be... something that they're born into/ingrained with/etc
The Fool
Like, I love exploring character's motivations for doing d/s. (Granted, Mikado is an abusive dom toward Aoba, but that's because their deal in canon is already abusive.)
papermint tiger
i see what you mean, yeah
The Fool
So I think in respect that A/B/O dynamics are supposed to be ingrained, it's very different from writing d/s.