DamageReport
6/20/25
LonelyDove ☭
LonelyDove ☭
The appeals court ruled that Trump is allowed to keep control over the California National Guard
Jay
FUCK
HEY LISTEN
keeping in mind the appeals court is 2 Trump appointees and a Biden appointee
Churby
That was always going to happen tbh
𝕊𝕡𝕒𝕔𝕖 𝔸𝕔𝕖
jfc, this is cartoonish at this point.
Exacerangutan
...uh.
Exacerangutan
yeah good job keeping the judiciary credible guys
Exacerangutan
"his administration probably complied with the requirement to coordinate with Governor Gavin Newsom, and even if it did not, he had no authority to veto Trump's directive"
...are you even being serious here? He probably complied with a requirement, but even if he didn't it's OK, so it's not really a requirement.
Exacerangutan
And also the governor can't refuse so it's not really coordinating.
Exacerangutan
I'm baffled that someone who wants to be taken seriously as an authority on something would write down "this requirement was probably met in spite of it being stated with no rebuttal that it wasn't, and even if it wasn't it doesn't really exist anyways," discuss it with two other authorities on the matter, and then publish it.
cacopheny
so like... are they claiming Newsom lied when he said the requirement wasn't met?
cacopheny
wasn't that the whole basis of the lawsuit?
Exacerangutan
I sincerely have no idea.
cacopheny
it makes no sense
Exacerangutan
Maybe in their universe, testimony isn't real.
cacopheny
/head in hands
Exacerangutan
I'm absolutely at a loss to how that seems like an argument to make.
Exacerangutan
Unless they want to undermine the legitimacy of the judiciary by issuing rulings that laws aren't real or something
Exacerangutan
idk man
HEY LISTEN
what i think could be happening is also they want to escalate this to SCOTUS
HEY LISTEN
which... uh
HEY LISTEN
no bueno
curieosity。
their wanting to escalate it to SCOTUS makes a lot of sense
curieosity。
their ruling was absolute garbage, but I can at least infer that escalation may very well be the point
Churby
Tbh the second scotus ruled presidents can basically do what they want and not be punished for criminal acts, Biden should have gone 'okay, bet?' and had someone give Trump a heart attack.
zєℓ∂ιѕαѕтєя ❀
that would have required biden to have a spine--
Churby
There will be a point in our lifetimes where the question of 'would you go back in time to kill baby hitler' will become 'would you go back in time to kill babies hitler and trump'
FluffyFaeCat
I hope that the first thing more... sensible politicians do when they regain seats and offices is put through a law stating that convicted felons can't hold political office. Makes me feel a bit bad for people that have turned their lives around after doing crimes, but at the same time /gestures at the current government
Churby
they could probably go for 'people convicted within the last x number of years' tbh
Churby
But it does also encourage trying to disqualify people via bogus charges.
Bat Matt
Can a judge be put up for perjury? (I know this isn't exactly perjury, but god damn)
curieosity。
they can be impeached
Exacerangutan
yeah they can be impeached, it's just (as far as I'm aware) very rarely done, and has the usual problems with impeachment that it requires a sane legislature
Exacerangutan
or at least people convicted specifically of crimes directly related to elections and/or public office
Exacerangutan
...sorry those were two entirely separate thoughts and when I was done with the first one my brain just disposed of it completely and moved on to the next.
Exacerangutan
2nd was w.r.t. restricting felons from running for office
HEY LISTEN
they can be impeached and also judges can have their bar license revoked if the bar is like "the fuck kind of ruling is this"
Exacerangutan
...does that actually prevent them from acting as judges or just embarrass them a lot?
Churby
I would think a revoked license would remove them.
Churby
because they are no longer certified to practice law in any manner
Exacerangutan
in a sane world, but we're in this one
curieosity。
if judges didn't need a bar license, there wouldn't be bar licenses in the first place
Exacerangutan
i thought a bar license was necessary primarily for lawyers
HEY LISTEN
yeah it's kind of a basic requirement to practice law of any sort legitimately
Exacerangutan
I wouldn't question it, except that the context of this conversation is already several leaps beyond anything that makes even a little sense to me
HEY LISTEN
it's actually very dependent state by state basis and there are some states that have been eliminating bar exam as a requirement for lawyers
Exacerangutan
.........that's kinda wild in itself.
HEY LISTEN
found this article about Washington state State SCOTUS eliminating the requirement citing that it prevents marginalized people from obtaining necessary requirements to practice: Supreme Court: Bar Exam Will No Longer Be Required t...
HEY LISTEN
The court approved alternative ways to show competency and earn a law license after appointing a task force to examine the issue in 2020.
HEY LISTEN
this is for lawyers
HEY LISTEN
judges are a different beast
Exacerangutan
ohh okay the license is still a thing they just don't want the bar exam to be the only way of demonstrating ability
Exacerangutan
that makes sense
HEY LISTEN
yes
HEY LISTEN
code of conduct for US judges: Code of Conduct for United States Judges
HEY LISTEN
Exacerangutan
...yeah it's not clear to me that, strictly speaking, judges have any actual requirements other than having been elected or appointed, depending on the position.
skipthedemon
There are no formal requirements for federal judgeships: FAQs: Federal Judges
skipthedemon
by tradition the President and the Senate have taken into consideration the recommendation of certain groups - foremost the American Bar Association (which is a national professional association that not have any direct relationship with state bar boards that control licenses). But Trump and the ABA are uh. On the outs.
Exacerangutan
and the misconduct rules seem to suggest that only explicitly demonstrable improper motives (e.g. bribery) are open to administrative consequences, so a judge ruling utter nonsense out of insanity or stupidity doesn't really matter unless it motivates an impeachment or someone can prove some kind of collusion took place
skipthedemon
Yeah it's very hard to impeach federal judges. Which is why the informal standards, for decades have been so high.
Exacerangutan
...also, it sounds like even if a judge was known to be bribed, while they can be punished administratively for it, it doesn't necessarily void the rulings they were bribed to make.
Exacerangutan
obviously it would be grounds for appeal, but
skipthedemon
Exacerangutan : I believe that is correct re: rulings.
Exacerangutan
i mean the independence of the judiciary is really important, and you definitely don't want judges to be too vulnerable to removal by politicians for obvious reasons... but that seems like a reason to make their rules of conduct more rigorous, and have them carry more weight than a lot of "should"s
Exacerangutan
so the judiciary has the means to clean its own house, and clear standards that actually mean something
Exacerangutan
in a sane world
LonelyDove ☭
HEY LISTEN
man, finding out how much our country has been running on GOOD FAITH and TRADITION for 250 years is actually pretty wild
LonelyDove ☭
They ordered the release (on bail) of Mahmoud Khalil
HEY LISTEN
maybe we should have, y'know, actual laws
skipthedemon
All law requires good faith and buy in. I'm increasingly convinced 'rule of law' is a nonsense term that can mean anything. And the only solution is real, sustained political involvement of a liberated populous not subject to the whims of the rich and mighty.
Exacerangutan
I mean, yeah, to some degree. Any system requires that most of the parts of the system actually do their jobs at least a little bit, and the catch of democracy is that everyone has to accept a share of actual responsibility. But it can help a lot to have explicit rules for what those jobs entail and what happens if someone isn't doing theirs.
Exacerangutan
Which sort of exists, but it's not like there were a lot of seasoned constitutional democracies to learn from when they wrote ours, so there's a lot of "this should be clear enough, no need to fuss over specifics" in there
Exacerangutan
I'm pretty sure many constitutions that have followed since have been significantly more explicit on at least some key points.
skipthedemon
Sure. There's just a lot of 'our constitution/legal system is the BEST' out there and like. Nah. We need to ditch the American exceptionalism. I'm in a book group reading The Constituional Bind which is an examination of American popular 'civic religion' around the Constitution and critics of it, from the mid 1800s onwards.
Exacerangutan
ooh interesting
skipthedemon
I was able to get an epub copy through Libby
HEY LISTEN
oh, i wasn't trying for exceptionalism with my comments. it's just one of those "we sure didn't have legit laws in place for this shit for 250 years, huh? wiiiild."
Exacerangutan
HEY LISTEN I don't think it read as exceptionalism from you, so much as it's a major theme in how we as a society talk about our institutions
skipthedemon
^ yes this
Exacerangutan
but yeah our constitution is basically like a factory where they never needed a "don't stick your hands inside the machines when they are running" sign before, because... obviously you shouldn't do that
HEY LISTEN
yeah, like. it's valid to be like "impressive to have such a long-running document" but equally valid to be like "MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AND MAYBE IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THAT"
Exacerangutan
and then there's a merger and a new manager and his gang of Jackass cosplayers roll in and suddenly it's a problem
❝ D a t a ❞
Republicans might redraw House maps in Ohio and Texas to try to protect narrow majority
https://www.cnn.com/...
Churby
ugh. disgusting pigs
Churby
especially since Ohio has already been yelled at for their BS redistricting MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES
Pteryx
It seems to me like at least part of the problem is that for decades, the Constitution has been reframed among the right the same way they frame the Bible: a divinely inspired document that isn't for their lowly eyes to read, but for the "priesthood" to reinterpret to justify whatever they want to say.
𝕊𝕡𝕒𝕔𝕖 𝔸𝕔𝕖
This state is already gerrymandered to hell, it doesn't need any more help in that regard.
Pteryx
Which also contributes to why a document that's supposed to be amendable... suddenly stopped being amended.
Pteryx
If the US gets out of this in one piece, we'll definitely need a shitload of amendments. A "Bill of Reforms" much longer than the Bill of Rights. This may be something I've been nursing starter suggestions for for years.
Pteryx
(If we get out of it but not in one piece, chances are the whole thing goes back to the drawing board anyway, so.)
skipthedemon
I'm kinda leaning throw the whole document out. We DID IT BEFORE. And other nations do it all the time.
Churby
New, better document please.
Pteryx
My worry about throwing the document out is that I don't count on the replacement not being essentially written by the wealthiest few hundred people.
Pteryx
There aren't any actual rules for an Article V rewrite.
Pteryx
And I'm not counting on Trump's fall meaning our entire socioeconomic order's fall.
skipthedemon
People are that wealthy in no small part to that current document leading to the status quo. Believe me I have had this debate over and over lately (and will continue to have it, I'm sure). I return to - You have to engage a large enough portion of the population, and have buy in. I am...barely speaking about Trump right now. He's a symptom, imo.
skipthedemon
I mean, yes, he makes everything so much worse, and his personal whims are staggeringly impactful right now. But even if he died today, that wouldn't fix much, I don't think.
little prince
little prince
Federal judge indefinitely blocks Trump administration from cutting off Harvard’s ability to host foreign students
Pteryx
That's kind of my point, that a much bigger status quo change than just Trump being gone would be necessary to make a rewrite go well. One where we could actually be sure that the next document wouldn't be written by CEOs' legal departments.
little prince
little prince
California given deadline to overhaul sex education program
little prince
This is the last thing they need right now.
Pteryx
Especially since I'm pretty sure we'd need stuff like not merely "corporations aren't people", but "corporations aren't allowed to override laws, abridge human rights, or replace government institutions with their own private versions".
Platinum
Trump Considering Asbestos Ban Reversal Sparks Warning: 'Lives at Risk'
The Trump administration will "reconsider" a ban on the use of asbestos in the U.S. that took a decades-long battle to be finalized, sparking concern among health advocates.
Platinum
https://www.bloomberg.com/...
How the Air Force Designated Its Next Fighter Jet ‘F-47’
The Air Force may have been caught off guard or was just unprepared when President Donald Trump said the next generation fighter jet would be called F-47, documents obtained by FOIA Files suggest.
vyeresz 🐍
of course 47
Generation Hope
gee why don't we just put lead back in everything
little prince
little prince
Trump's budget bill faces "nightmare scenario," Hawley warns
little prince
Platinum : We’ve long since established that Trump’s television viewing habits almost exclusively involve Fox News - a network that sells a LOT of ad time to law firms seeking mesothelioma patients for class action suits
little prince
It’s surprising to me that he wants to put asbestos back in everything, given his media diet.
Platinum
I dunno how many of them mention asbestos causes mesothelioma.
Platinum
Of course, he might have a special Fox News feed that skips ads.
❝ D a t a ❞
Ohio lawmakers are trying once again to remove the slavery loophole from the state’s constitution
Ohio lawmakers are trying once again to remove slave...
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“I submit that slavery and or involuntary servitude in any shape, form or fashion, should be disembodied from the sacred pages of the founding document of our great state,” Sims said. “It is time to remove any exception under any circumstances, slavery is a vile, despicable imposition upon another human being.”
curieosity。
considering how much Reagan and his administration meddled with regulations involving asbestos, I can only imagine how much more of a nightmare Orange Hitler and his administration can make this
curieosity。
(I did a policy change brief on the toxic substances control act and its asbestos rule. the Reagan administration was very obstructive about that rule)
curieosity。
(this was back when Neil Gorsuch's mother headed the EPA)
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Man Pleads Guilty To Chasing And Shooting Two Latino Men Due To His 'Anger At Illegal Immigration'
Man Pleads Guilty To Chasing And Shooting Two Latino...
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Alberta babies have been born with measles due to outbreaks, worrying doctors
https://www.cbc.ca/...
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As the province's measles case count approaches 1,000, health experts are raising the alarm about Alberta babies who are being born already infected with the virus.
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The provincial government has confirmed cases of congenital measles, which can lead to severe complications, including death, have already occurred as a result of this year's outbreaks. Pregnant Albertans are also testing positive.
curieosity。
https://apnews.com/...
Judge asks if troops in Los Angeles are violating the Posse Comitatus Act
curieosity。
the judge in question is Charles Breyer
ʙᴇᴄᴋ 🍂
❝ D a t a ❞ : Removing that slavery loophole should be a countrywide effort and the fact that it hasn't been has always disturbed me
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