For the Punisher, the reason that he gets this feeling from killing people is because of this thing that happened to him with his family. 對 Punisher 而言，他之所以從殺人中產生這種感受，是因為他家庭發生的那場悲劇。
And the reason that you (The Daredevil) have this philosophy around not killing is that you tried it once and it made everything worse. 而你（Daredevil）之所以堅持不殺的信念，是因為你曾經嘗試過殺人，但結果讓一切變得更糟。
Despite the fact that we're doing this philosophy of kill/don’t kill, that does not translate into cool fight, uncool fight, 儘管我們在討論「殺與不殺」的哲學，這並不代表「誰打起來比較酷，誰就比較不酷」。
That's some of the coolest fighting I've seen Daredevil do. 那是我看過 Daredevil 打得最帥的一場戰鬥之一。
It's so refreshing to see him fighting like that and in that light where like you only get these flashes of lights from the muzzle flashes and make the suit look great. 看到他在那樣的燈光下戰鬥——只透過槍口閃光來照亮畫面，那效果真的太新鮮了，也讓他的戰衣看起來超帥。
6:12 When you're doing an action scene with the Punisher, there's always a fear that what you're going to end up doing is celebrating his violence, 當你在拍攝一場關於 Punisher 的動作戲時，總會擔心最後的效果會變成是在歌頌他的暴力。
Making it just like—here's a person and we're just supposed to be cheering that he's shooting people in the face. 好像我們只是要觀眾為一個人開槍打人臉而喝采似的。
9:53 There's a moment right after the action scene ends where he has an opportunity and the righteous right to finish off somebody who killed another character. 動作場面結束後，有一個時刻是他完全有機會，也有正當理由，去了結一個殺了另一個角色的兇手。
And because he is who he is, he chooses not to. 但正因為他是他，他選擇不這麼做。
And same thing with Jon, which is like he's just trying to give himself some kind of relief from the agony of having lost his family. 而 Jon（Punisher）也一樣，他所做的一切只是想從失去家庭的極度痛苦中找到一點點釋放。
- It's just the fatigue that Matt Murdock (Daredevil) gets into towards the end of these fights that was choreographed so well. 那種 Matt Murdock（Daredevil）在每場戰鬥結尾時陷入的身心疲憊，真的透過動作設計呈現得非常到位。
But in this scene specifically, that final moment where just Frank telling you, "Do it, do it"— 尤其在這場戲的最後一刻，Frank 對你（Daredevil）說「動手啊，動手啊」的那段，
And it comes across so tragic for Matt that the philosophy at that point of kill/don’t kill becomes just kind of some texture in the background. 那一刻對 Matt 而言是如此悲劇，以至於「殺與不殺」的哲學爭論，彷彿只成了背景中的一層氛圍。
But really, it's just this sadness of what that—like, you should feel good in this moment, 實際上，那是一種深沉的悲傷——你理應在這時候感到寬慰，
But it just kind of seems like it's just bringing up all the tragedies that brought you to it instead of giving you some sort of closure. 但這一刻卻只是不斷喚起所有將你推向這裡的悲劇，而不是帶來任何形式的釋懷。
多、多講一點啊......
1:51
The camera language for Jon was handheld in slow-mo.
Jon 的鏡頭語言是手持攝影並搭配慢動作。
And then they wanted for Charlie to be steady and at speed.
而 Charlie 的鏡頭則是穩定的，並以正常速度拍攝。
So you had a great juxiposition.
這樣形成了一種強烈的對比效果。
然後我們開始設計他們彼此互動的策略方式。
Jon's character, Punisher, is not afraid to kill.
Jon 所飾演的角色 Punisher，對殺人毫不畏懼。
Charlie's character isn't afraid to save people by maming them.
Charlie 所飾演的角色則不怕用傷殘對方的方式來拯救人。
這取決於當下情況的嚴重性，以及他會對對方做出什麼反應。
If he's interrogating somebody, it's different.
如果他是在審問某人，那是不同的狀況。
If you're trying to hurt someone he loves and he goes into this emotional rage, that's very different.
如果你試圖傷害他愛的人，而他因此陷入情緒性的憤怒，那又是完全不同的情境了。
如果你把他們想像成一個運動聯盟的隊伍，他們其實是在同一隊的。
But they have completely opposite ideas of how you go about achieving success.
但他們對於如何達成目標，卻有完全相反的想法。
最簡單的理解方式當然是，他們在理念與道德上有所不同，
but really where these point of views come from is always a point of pain.
但事實上，他們觀點的根源，總是來自某種痛苦。
對 Punisher 而言，他之所以從殺人中產生這種感受，是因為他家庭發生的那場悲劇。
而你（Daredevil）之所以堅持不殺的信念，是因為你曾經嘗試過殺人，但結果讓一切變得更糟。
Despite the fact that we're doing this philosophy of kill/don’t kill, that does not translate into cool fight, uncool fight,
儘管我們在討論「殺與不殺」的哲學，這並不代表「誰打起來比較酷，誰就比較不酷」。
That's some of the coolest fighting I've seen Daredevil do.
那是我看過 Daredevil 打得最帥的一場戰鬥之一。
看起來真的很過癮。我是說，那場打鬥依然非常「人性化」、很貼近現實。
But he's getting so gangster with that baton and the wire.
但他用棍和鋼索的動作實在太狠、太有氣勢了，簡直像街頭老大。
看到他在那樣的燈光下戰鬥——只透過槍口閃光來照亮畫面，那效果真的太新鮮了，也讓他的戰衣看起來超帥。
那畫面真的是又殘酷又帥氣。
Then the other side, you've got this tragic horror film happening.
而另一邊，就像是一場悲劇式的恐怖電影在上演。
And I think it's the way those things complement each other in the scene that I enjoy the most.
我最喜歡的，就是這兩種風格在同一場景中互相襯托的方式。
6:12
When you're doing an action scene with the Punisher, there's always a fear that what you're going to end up doing is celebrating his violence,
當你在拍攝一場關於 Punisher 的動作戲時，總會擔心最後的效果會變成是在歌頌他的暴力。
Making it just like—here's a person and we're just supposed to be cheering that he's shooting people in the face.
好像我們只是要觀眾為一個人開槍打人臉而喝采似的。
那完全不是我們的目的。
But when we go really slow and stay on Jon's face,
但當我們用非常緩慢的鏡頭，聚焦在 Jon 的臉上時，
You can see that in those moments he's committing that violence,
你會看到，在他施加暴力的那一刻，
He's letting this monster out that it's not supposed to be romanticized.
他釋放出的是內心的怪物，而這並不應該被浪漫化。
實際上，那只是這個悲劇人物短暫獲得的一點點多巴胺，
To give him relief from his maddening grief.
來暫時緩解他幾乎要把他逼瘋的哀痛。
如果我們能讓觀眾明白，那是他內心的怪物被釋放出來，而且這是他唯一能安撫自己的方式，
Then it's not we just did a sequence where someone just shoots people, they fall over and it's supposed to look cool.
那麼這就不只是單純一場「某人開槍、對方倒下、畫面很酷」的場面。
這也是為什麼他的部分會拍得那麼血腥。
Watching the violence isn't supposed to be fun.
觀看這場暴力並不是為了娛樂。
It's supposed to make you feel a little sick.
它應該讓你感到有些反胃、不舒服。
連音樂也是一樣，它不是那種英雄式的配樂。
It feels that like there's something a little wrong happening here.
它讓人感覺這裡有些事情是錯的、不對勁的。
And it's because the soul of the scene is in Daredevil's perspective.
因為這場戲的靈魂，是從 Daredevil 的視角出發的。
而他的所作所為，其實在道德上也是錯的。
He's going through the scene in a way that makes him feel comfortable,
他以一種讓自己「心安理得」的方式走完這場戰鬥，
Which is this giant leaded pipe putting people in the hospital for life, but not killing them.
也就是用一根巨大的鉛管，把人打到終身住院，但不致於殺死他們。
他的動作設計沒那麼殘暴，也更…我不想說像在跳舞，
He sees a path through everyone.
但他是在每個對手之間尋找一條可通行的路。
And the other thing that we had too was his handicap attitude.
還有一點是他「身為盲人」的特質與戰鬥方式。
So he had to make the fight come to him, rather than him go to them.
所以他必須讓戰鬥向他靠近，而不是主動衝過去攻擊對方。
我跟你說，看起來真的很酷，因為 Jon 的打鬥部分是用每秒 96 幀來拍的。
That is kind of how Daredevil would experience his version of the fight.
那幾乎就是 Daredevil 體驗那場戰鬥的方式。
As Daredevil is fighting, he is acutely aware of what's going on over in Jon's corner.
當 Daredevil 在戰鬥時，他其實非常敏銳地察覺到 Jon 那邊發生的事。
There's a moment right after the action scene ends where he has an opportunity and the righteous right to finish off somebody who killed another character.
動作場面結束後，有一個時刻是他完全有機會，也有正當理由，去了結一個殺了另一個角色的兇手。
And because he is who he is, he chooses not to.
但正因為他是他，他選擇不這麼做。
他在那一刻的遲疑，不是因為他認為殺人是錯的，
It's that he's running away from the pain of what happened in the first 20 minutes of the first episode.
而是因為他在逃避第一集前二十分鐘所發生事件帶來的痛苦。
而 Jon（Punisher）也一樣，他所做的一切只是想從失去家庭的極度痛苦中找到一點點釋放。
It's just the fatigue that Matt Murdock (Daredevil) gets into towards the end of these fights that was choreographed so well.
那種 Matt Murdock（Daredevil）在每場戰鬥結尾時陷入的身心疲憊，真的透過動作設計呈現得非常到位。
But in this scene specifically, that final moment where just Frank telling you, "Do it, do it"—
尤其在這場戲的最後一刻，Frank 對你（Daredevil）說「動手啊，動手啊」的那段，
你在極度疲憊中仍然試圖堅守那一套哲學性道德準則的掙扎——
It plays so well right there.
在那個時刻呈現得非常強烈、也非常動人。
If I had to pick just like one moment that I love,
如果要我選一個我最喜歡的時刻，
It's just how surprisingly sad the moment is for Matt when they find the bullet .
那就是當他們找到那顆子彈時，Matt 流露出的那種出乎意料的悲傷。
那一刻對 Matt 而言是如此悲劇，以至於「殺與不殺」的哲學爭論，彷彿只成了背景中的一層氛圍。
實際上，那是一種深沉的悲傷——你理應在這時候感到寬慰，
But it just kind of seems like it's just bringing up all the tragedies that brought you to it instead of giving you some sort of closure.
但這一刻卻只是不斷喚起所有將你推向這裡的悲劇，而不是帶來任何形式的釋懷。
可怕怎麼可以整篇都是論文素材......
還有一段講到DD從天而降跳到敵人正中間，策略性的讓他們不敢立刻開火否則會誤傷友軍，並且用這個空檔讓Frank能趁機從窗外開第一槍
趁著DD吸引注意力從敵方後面冷不防開槍這個真的很制裁者欸......
他們可能只有「你的切入點？」「天窗」然後就各自散開了