kikibug13
[ffxiii] up to midway through lightning returns
kikibug13
I've been poking at the games and (and supplementary materials because I sure have a type and thus adopted a boy) and
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sudden lightbulb

is Bhunivelze the god that the fal'cie were trying to bring back
did humanity go and return to the beginning
Tonberry King
something like that yeah
Tonberry King
do you know what Bhunivelze's deal is? (This stuff was buried in the optional logs in 13)
kikibug13
I'm out from regular access to the interweb for a couple of weeks and will finish watching the third game after but lmao

it took me a moment
kikibug13
the playthroughs do not show the logs, sadly, I'll have to hunt that down later since there are also character snippets I'm curious about.
Tonberry King
yeah, a lot of the lore in 13 was buried in optional content and hidden in back menus
Tonberry King
my ongoing argument is that 13's isn't an issue of story but storytelling
kikibug13
I'm definitely enjoying it as a story but I've no idea if I'd have lasted though the whole thing as a game. not without knowing the carrots at the end, at the very least
kikibug13
but yeah, the storytelling is at the very least poorly paced, and if lore stuff is not in the main story, I can see people getting incredibly frustrated and disappointed
kikibug13
I am loving the characters, however. I'm loving more of the antagonists than I usually do, too. raines, rosch, rygdea, caius, even lumina so far are very good to me (I know Rygdea technically isn't, but, you know)
kikibug13
(can't exactly separate him from Raines and he technically is a boss fight)
Rᴀɪɴᴇs
ff13 has fantastic antagonists
kikibug13
yes also I've been thinking about your display name since I started getting into the meat of it
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Tonberry King
I have thoughts about Lumina (positive), but it should wait until you're done
Tonberry King
like I said my main dispute with the game is storytelling, and a friend and I once spent a car ride like "okay if we move this here and change the pov here, this makes it better"
kikibug13
yeah I'll. get back to it when I'm home again. lightning at had point got noel and snow steady, and the white chocobo is healed enough to go stare into the abyss check out the building of chaos...
Tonberry King
Raines was also top meta in Dissidia Opera Omnia for a while
kikibug13
I need to check him in oo
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the Angeal bits in oo were so good
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Raines would do additional attacks on any launched enemies, no matter who in the party launched them
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Lightning and Noel were both high tier on instant breaking enemies and delaying their turns
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