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Gundam AU idea, riffing on Raven's plurk a bit
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Post-apoc grunge mecha setting
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most mobile suits are unreliable machines welded together with parts they stole from other mobile suits
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i'm already listening
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depending on where you live, you're probably embroiled in forever wars or endless bickering with roving clans and tempermental city-states
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Then, in the year 2705 of the Survival Era
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the Gundams return.
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thirteen shining, perfect mobile suits bristling with lost technology descend from space
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and, without any actual communication
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each one selects a pilot.
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when piloting a Gundam, you already have a massive advantage due to the technology gap
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but in addition to that, Gundam pilots have the ability to Dive
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submerging your consciousness in the unfathomable intelligence of the Gundam's ancient computer
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giving you powers beyond mortal humans
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but spend too much time gazing into the abyss and the Gundam will drive you insane
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the fundamental idea of this setting is:
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in 00, Gundams are framed as angels
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in IBO, Gundams are framed as devils
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in this, Gundams are the Elder Gods
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unknowable nightmare machines from the abyss of space, with minds orthogonal to human comprehension
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you are chosen, and it gives you power at the cost of your sanity
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ooh
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Your description of SE2705 definitely made me think of
The Forever Winter - Full Length Cinematic Trailer
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just with marginally more robots
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the story then being about how the geopolitical climate shifts with the advent of the 13 Gundams and their chosen pilots, and why the Gundams came here
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and what they're planning
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The Gundams have a goal
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and it probably isn't "Save humanity"
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and they can't, or at least don't, talk to humans
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they just arrived, gave themselves to 13 apparently-random people
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and every now and then, they take some action of their own
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oh, I'm sure some of those pilots have plans of their own
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absolutely
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some of them are faction leaders or other bigshots
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some are ace pilots
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and at least one is just
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some kid
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Most of the time the gundams are content to let you use them
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I respectfully posit:
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"and every now and then, they take some action of their own"
gundam: /just out of nowhere commits a giant atrocity
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and sometimes, the relationship is reversed
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12 of them choose pilots based on mysterious criteria
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wouldn't be Gundam if just some kid wasn't one of the pilots
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and they use you
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the Some Kid is the only one who proactively found the Gundam
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and the Gundam decided to Allow it
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some guy in a gundam: ..... /commits a giant atrocity "Oh no! Look at what my Gundam did, completely unprompted!"
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one of them had some kind of Situation
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and like crash-landed in the desert
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and a young MS mechanic finds it
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instead of it finding him
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Oh this is excellent
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Vibes with a lot of mecha shows I like but is definitely distinct
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I imagine the vibes of the Gundams being like
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a little bit Buster Machines
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silent, but with just a little personality
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Two important questions to be asked
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Can they change pilots?
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Can they be destroyed?
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1. Only if they decide to allow it
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2. Yes, but it's VERY difficult
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either you need a whole army, or you need
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another Gundam
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I do like the idea of like
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one of the Gundam Pilots goes way off the deep end with atrocities and egomania, declaring himself a God and such
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and eventually his Gundam just, gets tired of him
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opens the cockpit
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and reaches inside
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Ye Guilty
oh i'm scary
reaches inside like Keanu in the Armored Core episode of Secret Level
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a different question, then.
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the final boss is the mysterious strongest Gundam, and nobody knows the identity of the pilot
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the reveal being that it doesn't have a pilot
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it's the Gundam Project manifest
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Given the Elder God motif you're going for here
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if a gundam is destroyed, is it truly dead?
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that's cooking
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a Gundam is destroyed, but it lives on in the networked cores of the other Gundams
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influencing things
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maybe rather than a pilotless gundam endboss, there's a gundam that's just completely submerged its pilot and it can use them as a terminal
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Ribbons-esque figure
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It could, potentially, be rebuilt, or rather rebuild itself
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a human being piloted by a Gundam
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Might even be a self-abnegating messiah/buddha figure who became a vessel for the Gundam willingly, or thinks they did
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I like the idea of the 'mid-season upgrade' being the kid having to cobble together a working Gundam from the corpses of his gundam and whatever is on hand
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Genuine Ribbons/Evil Setsuna
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like, for instance, another gundam
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that's good
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combine the hypertech of the Gundams with the kitbashing ingenuity of the wastelanders
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coming together like Gurren Lagann
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I want to either play this or run it in Valor
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I thought about it but I don't think it'd actually work great as tabletop
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a gundam side-story in AC got away with this because the whole point of that MS line was modularity
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because either five of the PCs all have Gundams and are an invincible force or only one PC gets a Gundam and the others are all way weaker
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a 13 player battle royale is a bad matchup for party tabletop
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but these things were likely never meant to interact in this fashion
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It would have to be a different format altogether
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if you were to run it
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say, grand strategy forum roleplay
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the ideal format would be a 51 episode TV series
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My mind went to Gundam X where the protagonist is a scavenger with a Delete Army button but usually can't use it and that's what makes the story interesting
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But fair enough
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also I genuinely don't know if I could come up with satisfying answers to all the cool questions of this premise
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Piloted Ribbons wears a mask because his human identity is irrelevant
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it's just a vessel for the great plan
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irrelevent to them, maybe
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how true that is could vary
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in reality their humanity could potentially end up being extremely important to the climax and resolution
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the masked man claims to be an empty vessel through which a perfect machine delivers untold destruction in the name of a design beyond comprehension, and has a fight to the death with a scrappy wasteland orphan in a Gundam he patched together from multiple wrecks
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when I said the thing about the protagonist finding a Gundam instead of being chosen
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whose only way to win is to drag that divine vessel down to his level
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you're not a vessel for God, you're a sweaty, emotional human
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I was thinking, like, "the protag Gundam is the big traitor to whatever the other Gundams are planning"
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and that's still what I'm thinking
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but I realized
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Venom (2018)
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does the wasteland orphan fuck the gundam
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bromance between Some Guy and a horrible space abomination that is slowly deciding it wants to be chill
oh i'm scary
puts on Bloodborne hat
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what kind of fool makes a Lovecraftian horror that they cannot fuck.
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shitposting aside I do think there's something in the idea of like
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Masked Man and Wasteland Orphan representing two different forms of attempted communication between humans and the Gundams
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the Masked Man hollows himself out to be a puppet of the machines, Wasteland Orphan never exchanges a word with his Gundam but they form a real emotional connection based on vibes
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I've been using he/him mostly arbitrarily, obviously anyone here could be any gender
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at some point there's a Gundam Cult
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major setpiece battle where a Gundam pilot goes insane and lashes out with full Gundam force, while in the middle of a civilian population center, and has to be stopped before he kills everyone in a 200km radius
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title: Mobile Suit Gundam Æon
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like it
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You say Gundam Cult and the scene that popped into my head is
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The hero is trying to fight another gundam but it's in a cramped space, some kind of giant church, and he has to watch where he steps because there are dozens of worshipers on the ground and they are NOT leaving
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It is an honor beyond their humble worthiness to be crushed by the gundam's foot
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the two possibilities for the Gundam Cult in my head are
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1. The pilot is an insane narcissist cult leader who screams about being God
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2. The pilot is a kid who is scared to death but has to pilot because the cult told them to and the Gundam also told them to and they have no real power
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2 is way more Gundam
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yeah
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in a traditional storyline, 2 would be a tragic waif girl who has an emotionally fraught romance with wasteland orphan and then dies
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but we can do better
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See I pictured the cult leader as 3
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since this is never gonna be a valor game or novel or anything what if I just turned it into a full collaborative OC world thing. Like we put our heads together and come up with 13 Gundam Pilots and the flow of the story so we can imagine the cool parts in our heads
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3: A street preacher type who has gotten high on their own supply and worships the gundam just as much as anyone else
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I think 2 is the juiciest angle. maybe more of a 1/3 type acting as 2's handler
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soaking up all the actual social power of the cult and going mad with it
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while a depressed child soldier works all the miracles
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I'm picturing a scene where Protag kid has the Gundam Cult Leader dead to rights while on foot and pointing a gun at him
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and he's just like "You cannot kill me in a way that matters" with bone deep confidence
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"I am but a vessel for the will of GUNDAM"
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the only problem with that is
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we already have a guy who's a self-pronounced vessel of the will of Gundam
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that's our main antagonist
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okay fair
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does space ever come into play?
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in some form, probably
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the big question of the setting is, broadly
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where did the Gundams come from
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why were they out there
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why did they come back now
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and to what ends
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I'm gonna get some more Armored Core in your peanut butter:
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their purpose is to, in the extreme long run, help humanity recover from the great collapse
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and the current phase of that plan that they are on
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My thought was "Space Colonies exist but they are ruled entirely by AIs
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"
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is Test Our Current Strength
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And the AIs sent the Gundams down as part of a plan to "save" humanity from itself
oh i'm scary
pose a huge arbitrary threat to incite resistance
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see how much the resistance can accomplish
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Also I think Raven and I are at least on similar pages
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yeah
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like. imply but do not explain
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So then in this story we don't go to space
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the existence of much, much, much, much bigger problems going on in space
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Because to go to space would require to explain what's going on up there
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I think the Gundam Project was started before the collapse, then the people who started it died
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but the development process involves like
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millennia of nanomachine refinement and shit
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so the long, long process of building them was offloaded into the future under AI management
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and if humans aren't ready to hang with those conflicts they need to stay in their box
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or else they will be wiped out summarily
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I was half toying with the idea of my guy actually being FROM space
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and yeah of course they were built by a long-dead human civilization
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but if this is the situation then maybe not
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"imply there are much bigger problems out in space" is good for the eldritch horror angle
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I think that if you took one us from modern day Earth and plopped us in this setting
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and then said "look up"
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We'd be somewhat freaked out by how the sky looks
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some kind of megastructure surrounding the Earth
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but to the people of this world that's just what the sky looks like
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massive orbital ring called the Firmament
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rings*
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that's not where the Gundams were built, they're from further out
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we don't know where
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do the rings serve any purpose? unclear
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Nier-style offhand comment about how the sun used to move in the sky--
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"Probably"
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the moon was round once
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and either bigger or smaller. I haven't decided which is better
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the purpose of the Gundams: to prepare us for the "dialogues" to come
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gotta reference the older titles
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god I want to make an oc but none of the relevant parties follow me
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I definitely think that the Gundams are the only mobile suits with like
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recognizeable faces
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like that's usually a thing but let's push it
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mobile suits don't have a face, they have a main camera
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yeah
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Modern Mobile Suits are kinda like
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https://images.plurk.com/2KrpRS1UYASxLdihNviG5C.jpg
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not terribly anthropomorphized
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and Gundams have two eyes, for reasons that aren't apparent. they aren't two cameras, it just, has glowing eyes
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Then the Gundams are way more human looking but that's a shell over an incredibly inhuman interior
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"more human" still meaning like
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https://images.plurk.com/5kClFaJIZKkWsThjhdmcQP.jpg
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yeah
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built by computers but imitating humans. reason unknown
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offering the official term for the Bit-type weapons as "Feelers"
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here's my character pitch
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I may or may not be joining this since I'm interested but can't put together an idea
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but I WOULD like to offer a vibe:
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question: does cloning technology exist in this setting. asking for reasons.
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I think it's a bit above the baseline tech level, but the advantage of a post-golden-age setting is weird hypertech shit can be Around sometimes
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nods
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i have two concepts both related to the idea
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and i will leave it to the people to decide which is better
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first: in one of the more civilized areas with very little war, a single mother was raising her daughter
the mother was never in a relationship, but she wanted a daughter, so clone
then the mother died but the gundam can't tell the difference between them so now another child is in a cockpit
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second: a technomilitary who is making a small army of clones
they order the clone soldiers to go in, dive as deep as they can during a sortie, and the gundam consumes them and they're dead, but there's a million more of them.
the actual goal here is that however unfathomably huge the gundam's intelligence is
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it can be outweighed by adding enough human intelligences.
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so the goal is to sacrifice human after human after human to the dive until the gundam's intelligence has been subsumed by the gestalt Clone Human Consciousness.
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The second one is WILD
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yeah
i feel like it has the most thematic relevance but i'm also not sure it's not, like. too wild?
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It doesn’t feel like a PC
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Like that’s something the bad guys are doing
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Im not saying don’t
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Just. It’s a lot
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But this isn’t a campaign this is just a free floating oc cast so you could do it
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This is an anime and not a tabletop so we don't need all the characters we come up with to be heroic
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We need our fucked up people to fight each other and cause lots of collateral damage to demonstrate the Horrors
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honestly my thought for an active character is
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the most recent clone pilot who dove and came out intact
because the clone gestalt in the gundam is now actively opposing killing more clones
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she dove in and there was the gundam intelligence offering power but there was another intelligence saying "you aren't replacable, you are an individual" and she was booted out of the dive unharmed and is suddenly going "wait, am i a person"
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Gundam Legion
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Gundam Legion!!
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while the gundam's intelligence is far less of a threat now
the clone gestalt still also has all the individuals in it
so it makes up for lacking the same deep dive ability with just an extreme adaptability. rather than one intelligence, it has a hundred previous clones in there who all learn from battles and like
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any attack that killed one of them before (or drove them to dive so deep it killed them), they now will never get hit by again
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gundam legion is feared as an invincible gundam because it did shit that should have killed its pilots instantly (it did kill them) and it can never be hit by the same maneuver or weapon twice
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i think the current protag clone is trying to understand her own place as a Human, while also surrounded by dozens of other clones who are identical to her and she's trying to understand the concept of Individuality
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They kept feeding more and more clones into the Gundam until one of them just started surviving
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Amd now all the surviving clobes are collectively realizing that they have a life
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They have TIME
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And starting to try and figure out what that means
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