BloodCri
[USPol] I've complained about Trump to people in the past and gotten the response that they don't want to hear about it unless I can say one good thing too (or something to that effect). so here is that one objectively good thing to bring up if you're trying to get someone to listen yo you:
BloodCri
America is currently supporting a very large population of invasive and very destructive wild horses. They are protected because they're symbols of the American West but, again, invasive and destructive. If we want to remove them then they have to be captured and cared for in facilities rather than killed. which costs tax dollars.
BloodCri
Trump tried to put a system in place where we export the horses to other countries with the implication the other countries were allowed to put them to work or eat them or whatever. but animal rights groups stopped this.
BloodCri
this is objectively good because it's removing a destructive invasive species and lowering the amount of tax dollars spent protecting them.
BloodCri
there. now you have your one good thing.
BloodCri
(and yes I love horses too and I'm sad because it's not the horses fault but when it comes to the environment invasive species are often horrible and need to be removed or controlled.)
Exacerangutan
...yeah I mostly just lose all respect for people who do the "I don't want to hear about the bad things unless you come up with a good thing!" shtick.
NekoInc, MSPM
Yeah my response to that would be "Well how about you don't hear from me ever again period" honestly.
NekoInc, MSPM
Give them one - one - chance to walk shit back. If they're passive aggressive about it at all, disconnected.
Exacerangutan
"Should I kick you in the shin? I don't want to hear you say no unless you can tell me a reason that I should."
DigitalSocrates
Trump forced Amazon to use its own fleet instead of bankruptcy thr post office. there's a second good thing
Exacerangutan
...I'm not clear that's a thing that really happened.
Exacerangutan
From what I've read Amazon was paying the USPS just fine and Trump was at least partially making shit up to attack Bezos for not being on his side like Musk.
Exacerangutan
supposedly the parcel delivery branch of USPS was at the time doing great business and growing hugely, helping to cover institutional costs, but idk the details of what happened since then
papermint tiger
i found an article about this and it seems that if anything, the Post Office was profiting off of Amazon
papermint tiger
so it sounds more to me like it was an attack on both of them to try and divide them and destroy them both (since we must remember that he was trying to do that for a little while)
Exacerangutan
yeah, it's... not impossible that Trump could incidentally do a thing that is good, but it's also not for nothing that I'm instantly skeptical and would like evidence, because it's frankly out of character
Exacerangutan
I'm sure he's done some things that are good that he either didn't really have a choice, or that literally anyone else with the authority also would have done
Exacerangutan
...just we don't usually talk about those because they're not remarkable, they're just... the basics of doing the job even a little bit.
Exacerangutan
Which isn't a high bar for anyone but Trump.
Seijin CC
I love you to pieces but if someone is going to make me up come up with good things about Trump they don't care about logic and reason and also just because a species is "destructive and invasive" doesn't make it dangerous. So I now like shield bugs because while both invasive and destructive - they are destructive to the things that will kill me and I would
Seijin CC
like more actually.
Wild horses have a deep deep deep cultural meaning to the indigenous tribes f North America, especially in the Navajo and west, and were emblematic of the tribes' capacity to connect spiritually with any/all animals (animism) even if it's not even a species they're intimately familiar with.
Princess Emily
I've thought about this a bit and honestly the best answer you could give is actually
Princess Emily
"He really fought hard to get us a COVID vaccine, and he shut down the country at the height of COVID, something the democrats wouldn't do." Because it reminds them that those were Trump and he did those. It makes them so mad.
Exacerangutan
......weren't Democrats statistically actually a lot faster to issue stay-at-home orders tho?
Exacerangutan
I'd have to go digging, but I feel like it's not really something Democrats wouldn't do, but something they didn't have the ability to do because none of them were in a position to issue executive orders, and they had to urge him to do it.
Exacerangutan
He did at least push for the vaccine, though, that's true! ...I mean everyone with any influence did, but he did, too!
Exacerangutan
........................until it no longer had his name on it, and then he didn't like it any more.
Seijin CC
yes
Exacerangutan
He did eventually say that he rejected David Duke's support back in 2016! It took him a day or two to get around to it, probably how long it took his staff to convince him that openly embracing the KKK would be a PR disaster, but he did eventually say that!
TemporalWolf
Yeah, I'm definitely at the point of telling people that respond with "Can't you say anything good" to fuck off entirely. No I cannot say anything good about the fascist that is giddy to try and do genocides of people who don't agree with him.
Exacerangutan
Sounds to me like a good prompt to urge them to examine why they think that's a good investment of anyone's time. ...at least if they're someone you care about.
DigitalSocrates
whelp, thank u for fact checking the Amazon thing. I thought post office was losing money on packages
papermint tiger
it's certainly losing money somewhere but more because it is a public service and that just straight up costs money
Exacerangutan
obvs i don't have the actual accounting, but there were definitely multiple third parties questioning whether his claims about it were accurate
papermint tiger
it's a shame certain people think that's a problem when it's just. you know. a societal issue that comes from wanting people to be able to send shit to each other without paying through the nose
Exacerangutan
and yeah it's... it's not a money making scheme, it's supposed to "lose money" and produce public good, that's how public works in general... work
papermint tiger
exactly
Exacerangutan
now, questioning whether companies are taking advantage of public works for their own benefit at the cost is the public, that's always valid, but Amazon paying a normal price for shipping is so far from the biggest abuse case
Exacerangutan
how about plastics producers who don't have to include the environmental impact of their products as overhead
HurricaneChris
One major reason why the USPS was losing money is that they were required to fund pensions for employees 75 years in advance. Before that, they were making money.
HurricaneChris
That was overturned during the Biden administration.
Exacerangutan
^ this is the sort of thing I mean about the actual accounting
Exacerangutan
the news has always been bad about actually digging into these details because they're not exciting, but they've gotten progressively worse about it over the last 50 years
Seijin CC
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