Ash!!1
[rp but team game specific] [mechanics and genre talk] a heads up some of this may sound neg but i promise it's not!1
Ash!!1
just general observation in the team game sphere over the year: and remember NO ONE CAN RP INCORRECTLY. everyone has their own preferences and comfort so theres no real Wrong way to rp
Ash!!1
that said!1
Ash!!1
me: hehehe I'm glad that overall Sheep is p community minded and i think i have mostly avoided the 'nothing matters everything is hopeless' fatigue that sometimes creeps in due to my npcs being fucking idiots
Ash!!1
also me: ...............man i miss pvp tho
Ash!!1
sheep is not a pvp game, it's a game that sometimes has pvp elements via the minigames/rituals but I feel like I make it clear that I'm noooot trying to pit all the teams against each other?? I hope??
Ash!!1
like don't get me wrong, a-okay if characters DO hold grudges by virtue of people being human IC lol that's fine
Ash!!1
BUT I do personally miss more games that are pvp focused in and outside of their minigames/events
Ash!!1
AND LIKE for me i know I'm in a minority there cuz i'll play pvp and be like yay everyone's having a good time 
Ash!!1
while there are people ic and ooc having anxiety attacks over it 
Ash!!1
SO NOT A GREAT TIME FOR THOSE FOLKS
vast energies
i like pvp in theory but i like it less and less the older i get specifically because of that
Ash!!1
Technically this isn't even team game exclusive cuz [heavy stare at some of the faction drama of the fog vs the fourth i've seen over the years loool]
vast energies
where i'm like YEAH WE'RE ACTIVATING IN THE PVP! WE'RE GETTING MAD! WE'RE GRUDGEWANKING!
Ash!!1
yah lol
vast energies
andthen people are like yeah i love pvp but actually i DON'T like it when it means you are mad at me.
vast energies
so could we do PVP but PVP where i beat your ass repeatedly and you never retaliate or get mad
Ash!!1
and like it's understandable, PEOPLE JUST GET TOO INVESTED IN THEIR BLORBOS but its also like Man.jpeg
vast energies
me like NO????????????????
Ash!!1
THAT SAID for me personally I don't like trauma heavy pvp without consequences
Ash!!1
absolutely no shade to people who like to rp that without their characters having a grudge and thinking its cute or whatever but for me i'm like
Ash!!1
NO LET MY CHARACTER BE MAD!!!!!!!
vast energies
every single pvp game tries to be like 'hey make sure ur okwith consequences!' and then a bunch of people are NOT ok with consequences
Ash!!1
if a game has heave pvp trauma but no real fall out i'm like nods. not for me.
vast energies
and there is truly no way to try to force consequences without being That Guy about it
Ash!!1
yea
Ash!!1
AGAIN I FEEL LIKE SHEEP HAS HIT A GOOD BALANCE OF IT. ppl have been v good with fallout and communicating proper and shout out to yall for being awesome
Ash!!1
but i think that also is simply because sheep is not a pvp game, so characters have had time to build up lots of good will with each other ahead of time
Ash!!1
I just personally miss being in a high pressure pvp setting
Ash!!1
not even murder games scratch this itch for me anymore cuz they're fairly predictable now orz
Ash!!1
SO BASICALLY THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF ME BEING OLD AND HAVING HIT SO MANY RP GENRES ALREADY
vast energies
tbh i kind of mentally categorize high pvp environments as Murdergame+
vast energies
because there WILL be a WAY faster burnout as a game overall but not murdergame fast
Ash!!1
I know Deco was [Deco let us not unlock the baggage there] but I was so sad it ended cuz i was ALL IN FOR IT BECOMING A TURF WAR GAME
Ash!!1
but alas
Ash!!1
I would super like to play in a high pressure pvp faction game again tho yea I think it'd need to be short term
Ash!!1
i do not plan on running any team games any time soon after sheep but i think my personal dream pvp team game would be like
Ash!!1
6 teams max, 4-5 members max, theming is all over the top japanese delinquent games
Ash!!1
powers nerfed, get specialized game powers that counter or balance each other in a way like pokemon types
Ash!!1
delinquent gangs*
Ash!!1
something something fighting to get to the Top to earn their way home or back to life, have a sabra-style agreement where they ICly agreed to this
Ash!!1
to avoid the problem of characters who are like 'well i'm too good to do this' lol
SETH ⚘
I want a pvp game where it's literally like Pokémon games. if you make eye contact with someone from a different faction you're locked into having to fight them
Ash!!1
WHICH ADMITTEDLY WOULD PROBABLY LOCK OUT SOME CHARACTERS/PLAYERS but i would only want folks there who are ready to fight and betray each other u-u
vast energies
god it would actually be pretty funny to have a pvp where its just like
Ash!!1
SETH ⚘
: is that not what anime delinquents do already
vast energies
seeing a member of another team/faction just makes you go absolute berserker rage
vast energies
doesnt matter if it's your mom. doesnt matter if its your boyfriend
Ash!!1
YOU JUST WANT TO PUNCH THEM SO MUCH!!! maybe sometimes u also kiss. BUT MOSTLY PUNCH AND STAB
spooky cass 👻
man that would be fun
SETH ⚘
I'd play that
Ash!!1
I think keeping like, a low comedic baseline would ALSO help
Ash!!1
so ppl don't take it as seriously and aren't afraid of losing or looking uncool
Ash!!1
but there would still be Serious Moments and stuff to balance it out
vast energies
nerf everyone to fistfight power levels. or buff them to that. depending
Ash!!1
everyone is buffed to the same power level but not the same skill level
vast energies
i want to fistfight my way through all them white haired ffxiv guys
Ash!!1
that way if you are a nerd you don't magically just know how to fight and can have your teammates teach you
Ash!!1
ic progression!!
SETH ⚘
power levels max out at Yamcha
Ash!!1
cries
Ash!!1
i guess it could also just
Ash!!1
be a normies only game
Ash!!1
'do you have powers? are you a god? no? WELL DO I HAVE A GAME FOR YOU'
Ash!!1
i just think it'd be neat hff
Ash!!1
i do think inevitably there might be some ooc squabbling but as long as it's bapped out immediately by mod it should be fine
Ash!!1
thats just how ppl are
Ash!!1
WE ALL THINK OUR CHARACTERS ARE THE MOST SPECIAL its natural lol
Ash!!1
so sometimes hands just need to be lightly slapped
spooky cass 👻
i think with like . . . how small it would be/mandatory discord like sheep it would help a lot with that
spooky cass 👻
plus mod to gently urge like you said
Ash!!1
YEA. and something like this would also be short term just, due to intensity/burnout. six months to a year max.
Ash!!1
anyway the secret is this was inspired by me binging windbreakres
Ash!!1
everyones an anime delinquent now okay go
SETH ⚘
aj actually ran a game very briefly a long time ago that was like
SETH ⚘
there are two factions and the play goes in two-phase cycles
Ash!!1
was that arbas
SETH ⚘
wheee phase one is cr building and building defenses and sussing out each other/the other side
Ash!!1
i can't remember. maybe that was aviy
SETH ⚘
and then phase two is battle royale until everyone on one side is dead
Ash!!1
yea what i'm thinking is more crab in the bucket style
SETH ⚘
it wasn't sabra related at all it was its own thing!
Ash!!1
PULL OTHERS DOWN WITH U
Ash!!1
until you accidentally get to the top
Ash!!1
the only way a team will ever be added is if a team wins and frees themselves--
SETH ⚘
yeah it wasn't exactly what you were thinking about I was just like man I still think about that one sometimes
Ash!!1
YEA
Ash!!1
sigh
Ash!!1
the problem with my idea is that i would have to run it,,
Ash!!1
but i want to play!!!!
togaoni
I feel like a lot of the OOC stuff that gets me the most is people wanting their character to be the Good Guy and the people they are mad at to be the Bad Guy
Ash!!1
but i'm so picky
Ash!!1
the cycle continues
a girl in love
I miss deco so much. I also don't miss deco at all it was miserable. but also deco gave me a flavor of fun and joy I have never gotten out of any other game and never will again.
togaoni
And as a person who is often the Bad Guy in the scenario I am like, ok but what if everyone is not good or bad they are just messed up people with different worldviews. What if my character does not have to be evil just because they don't agree with yours.
togaoni
heroes and villains game where everyone MUST play one of each
vast energies
god normies only game where you just have to physically fight each other with fists and lead pipes
vast energies
would be
vast energies
so good
togaoni
Like there's the power superiority conflict issue and then there is the moral superiority conflict issue
Ash!!1
togaoni
: YEA THAT COMES UP A LOT re characters wanting to be morally in the right sob. But it's also funny to me cuz I made Weeds specifically so people could be EXTREME FUCKOS
Ash!!1
and yet. looks at weeds. they are all dorks,
Ash!!1
(this is fine I am charmed it turned out this way lol)
Ash!!1
I think it's just cuz inherently people simply don't want to be Disliked
SETH ⚘
we had more weed fuckos at the beginning but I think people got tired
togaoni
yeah I blame myself for specifically apping a not really a fucko weed and then having the most stamina about it
Ash!!1
a girl in love
: yea like. I would not go back to deco. but also i miss it deeply. It was just a brief unique fucky time.
vast energies
it's hard to be a fucko when you're homeless and on the same powercap as a bunch of people who have no real compunctions with murdering you so hard you become an ornamental vase or something
vast energies
alas
togaoni
I do still like that people dislike or are 
at Weeds or Edgelord specifically though. Sometimes being disliked is a core part of a character,
at Weeds or Edgelord specifically though. Sometimes being disliked is a core part of a character,
SETH ⚘
I had fun shredding people with my first Weed but getting to the second I was like actually I'm not going to do unmitigated midboss material this time bc there's only so much you can do of that before your character is actively locked out of anything but people engaging them combatively
Ash!!1
I don't mind that but [looks at dabi who's made to be decomposed]
Ash!!1
BUT YEA the way weeds have turned out is fine actually and i still think it's a really good low effort compromise
SETH ⚘
yeah like it works for some characters but for any who require somewhat more than that for satisfying play it's like [ack]
togaoni
yeah like there's nothing wrong with playing a real midboss with a short RP lifespan but sometimes you want a morally questionable but still empathetic character who is going to have some conflicts AND some friends
SETH ⚘
but yeah I also just adjusted so I knew I'd be able to play more stuff I wanted to the second go round
Ash!!1
every actual flock at weeds cocking a gun 'i'm a healer but--'
togaoni
in some instances of playing Vicious it definitely was too far on the side of "only friends" for me to feel satisfied but I also do not want only enemies
SETH ⚘
it is sort of interesting to play one character helping with building a group's bad rep and then play a second character in that same group dealing with the consequences of the bad rep
Ash!!1
i have zero regrets pre-emptively ruining weeds rep with dabi early on nodnod
Ash!!1
gives them something to work up from!1
Ash!!1
anyway tho just. SIGH. sometimes you want to rp a murder and them getting revenge and a never ending cycle of pettiness that overflows all around you
Ash!!1
is this too much to ask (yes sometimes)
Ash!!1
BUT STILL, I WANT IT
Ash!!1
it's really funny for me personally cuz i try to draw neg attention to my characters even in non pvp specific games
Ash!!1
gestures at C/Kokichi doing his best in imeeji
Ash!!1
gestures at kaito eating a cookie and also putting a hole in the moon
togaoni
Maybe a game where the app is just "write an essay about why your character is the bad guy"
Ash!!1
bangs hands on table MAKE BEEF WITH MY CHARACTERS
togaoni
They can be a good guy in canon actually but you have to be able to come up with a scenario in which someone would not see them that way
Ash!!1
these are the only protags i play. good boys who are Kinda Dicks actually.
rah
you're really making me want to app a weed who'd do actual murders just for fun, but i don't know who......
Ash!!1
do some murders, back flip out with both middle fingers in the air
Ash!!1
or get your soul sucked into a jar like dabi,
go marnie
emergency food
proxy ⚡
i very much do enjoy the setting of sheep and how it has shaped out BUT YEAH..... SOMETIMES... sometimes i just want some good juicy character conflict.
proxy ⚡
i don't need all pvp all the time but some... as a tweat....
Ash!!1
we crave the rage
proxy ⚡
i do
only goes to 11
I love pvp but more Xanatos Gambit style. Which is really hard to pull off and requires a lot of OOC agreement but soooo satisfying when it works.
Ash!!1
oooh absolutely
Ash!!1
when schemers are allowed to do a long con and succeed it's a+++
#notalldwrpers
Unfortunately, I'd still run Deco again. I think I'm pretty much out of rp rn bc nothing is pvp focused rn.
#notalldwrpers
I know what I'm about, for better and worse.
#notalldwrpers
Wanna play politics and conflict!!
only goes to 11
Also usually it means the "loser" doesn't actually lose! They win at something but unfortunately it also helps The Worst Guy You Know
eutrope 🌸
normies only pvp sounds fun as fuck
♰ Javert ♰
as someone who has played antagonists and villains and LOVES RPing interpersonal conflict
♰ Javert ♰
gimme the pvp
♰ Javert ♰
gimme gimme
val
a pvp crabs in a bucket style game sounds like it would be sooo fun