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[nsfw]
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You ever feel guilty for liking a kink because everyone says it’s supposed to be offensive to a group you’re a part of?
soba6202
as a nb someone who enjoys gynomorphic bodies (ie boobs + peen): fucking yes
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Wow that’s close to what I’m feeling bad over. I’m trans and I like futa.
soba6202
i feel guilt constantly because i end up finding shit with titles like "Futanari-Sama and Her Maids" and I feel the violent pain of those kinds of words and I realize that by enjoying the aesthetic I'm arguably feeding the problem :-(
soba6202
it's... yeah. i know your pain, op
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I don’t feel the pain of those words so much as I feel like I’m doing something that I’d be judged for. Does that make sense?
parrot1020
Add another to the "NB, fucking loves futa, maybe my favorite kink actually" list.
soba6202
I mean, uh
soba6202
yeah.
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I’m scared of being ostracized by my community
soba6202
that said I think the main problem the trans community has with futa is a twofold thing? One, that it objectifies people with non-binary body forms, two, some people take the term futanari as a slur?
parrot1020
Funnily enough I do not actually equate the two personally. Whenever I see trans porn labeled as futa I get annoyed not because I'm offended (though that is offensive) so much as because this is not what I was looking for.
parrot1020
I can't fully articulate the difference my mind creates, though.
soba6202
actually, hm
parrot1020
Like, Transwoman =/= Futanari at all in my mind but I can't explain why.
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I’m where parrot is.
soba6202
That's a point, Parrot, it's... I get it
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They are two separate things in my mind.
soba6202
but there does have to be awareness that not everybody agrees with you
soba6202
like, what you're interested in is an objectified form, but you're also of the mind that it's Not Something That Real People Are (But It'd Be Really Cool If They Were)
parrot1020
Yeah, which is why I wish I could properly explain the difference.
soba6202
sort of like Furry
parrot1020
Honestly I jump to intersex people as a closer comparison though obviously that's not the same thing either.
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Let me be clear here. I’m not offended that people don’t agree, soba. I’m just sad about it and the fact and the fact that it’s so prevalent creates a feeling of shame
snack5626
feel you
soba6202
yeah I know, I'm just being bad at words if you got the idea that I thought you were offended eheh
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No I get it. I just didn’t want you to think poorly of me.
soba6202
yeah it's just a weird juggle between me, parrot, and op where we're trying to say three adjacent but different things
soba6202
when all of us are like "geez i wanna suck on that bepis"
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I admit, that made me laugh
soba6202
but yeah part of my nd way of saying 'I agree' is describing the shape of what I agree with
soba6202
in this case, that I see the people who are absolutely judging us and why they are
soba6202
and all you can really do at that point is kinda shrug and go "eh, fuck 'em" which... holy shit that's a lot easier said than done
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I just wish I could articulate why I see them differently
parrot1020
Honestly I'm less fussed about being judged and more about people being actually emotionally hurt by my silly little kink.
parrot1020
Well, usually not so little, but that's not the point.
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...that puts things in perspective, parrot.
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I should be more worried about hurting people than being judged.
soba6202
parrot, while I understand and share your fear, I do need to point out: bad faith actors will find ways to make ANY 'silly little kink' emotionally harmful, and the people who actually are close enough that you'd want to share kinks with should trust you enough to at least trust that you're not trying to?
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I am totally self absorbed, aren’t I?
soba6202
no, not really
soba6202
It's... they're intertwined
parrot1020
I just wish I could immediately tell every transwoman I interact with: "I do not see you as this. I do not want you to be this. This is a fantasy kink that has nothing to do with you unless you wish it to."
soba6202
after all, the core driving factor of a lot of morality we're taught as we grow up is shame, especially in the anglosphere
soba6202
not "you shouldn't do bad things because they're destructive" but "you should feel bad that you do bad things"
lizard112
I'm a transbian with a pregnancy kink so just by the intersection of those two things, I have to be into futa and/or trans ladies getting it on with other ladies. It feels "problematic" to be into either, because futa is (gestures above) and being into trans ladies going at it is still reducing it to a porn category or something
soba6202
very adult (depressing) conversations going on in this adult (horny) plurk oops

i apologize for taking it in this direction
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I think it was depressing from the start, soba
parrot1020
I don't think you did. The societies most of us live in have sadly linked the two.
parrot1020
"Feel shame and depression about your horniness." Is a vibe that's just kinda everywhere.
soba6202
^
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I made this plurk cuz I was feeling bad and needed to talk about it
soba6202
...whether or not you feel bad, you can be comforted knowing you aren't alone
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lizard112: that’s whack, though. You’re seeking porn of the group you belong to. You’re the demographic!
troll6389
what soba just said! and the fact that everyone in this plurk is super respectful of each other/their opinions is really wonderful.
troll6389
(i am not a troll, please...)
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What do people want, you to be stoic and unsatisfied for the sake of being unobjectified? Where’s the fucking line when you feel bad about wanting material about fellow trans people?
gin7792
when you're nb and you feel visceral hatred of the word futa but love writing gynomorph/intersex characters....
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Sorry. I shouldn’t be judgmental I just got a bug up my butt about the last part of what lizard said
deer9650
I'm not non-binary but I do get this feeling a lot from certain aspects of a kink I have.
parrot1020
Eh, sometimes the word just has links in our brains we don't like, gin. I, for example, despise the word "demisexual", even though the concept of demisexuality makes perfect sense and I'm pretty sure applies to me directly.
parrot1020
Why do I dislike the word specifically? I honestly don't know.
gin7792
right it's messy
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For the record I never heard the term gynomorph before today
gin7792
like I want to say "be cringe, be free" but at the same time
parrot1020
My brain immediately jumps to xenomorphs and won't leave.
gin7792
i meannnnnnn
gin7792
alien queen can get it, I'm just saying
parrot1020
It's still hilarious what they did with her in Dead By Daylight.
gin7792
Oh no I don't play DbD what happened
soba6202
I blame the furry community; they're the ones leaning to gynomorph (boobs + dick) and andromorph (flat + vag) for intersexed variants instead of things like futa or

...we don't talk about what terms they use for the other. please
gin7792
to be fair they're very good terms
parrot1020
Giant. Alien Queen. Ass.
parrot1020
https://images.plurk.com/25pMqgHw9pMhO0aAAeKxkU.jpg
soba6202
parrot1020: you don't get to be a queen if you ain't got cushion for the pushin
gin7792
so you're telling me they stole Pyramid Head's trunk and slapped it on Alien Queen?
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Dat ass
gin7792
....actually you know what I'm here for it let her be thick
parrot1020
I mean she's kinda based on a bee or ant queen and those...
gin7792
still sad they nerfed Pyramid Head but this is good
gin7792
yeessssss
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Who’s gonna get a badonk next? Ridley?
gin7792
I meannnnnn
soba6202
the only dudes (cis) that deserve a badonk are solid snake and phead
gin7792
Sorry OP I did not mean to accidentally open the monsterfucking pandora's box in here
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How dare you assume Ridley is cis
gin7792
Solid Snake deserves compensation for every game they flatten his backside in
soba6202
gin never be sorry
parrot1020
I mean if you are what you eat, Ridley is literally all genders.
gin7792
To be fair I don't think anyone would be surprised about my monsterfucking shenanigans if this wasn't anon
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I just want Ridley for have more cake than Samus is that so wrong
gin7792
You know what that's fair
soba6202
...I mean, only because Ridley's body isn't built for it
gin7792
Still mad they didn't make Samus a muscebabe
gin7792
cowards!
soba6202
we need zero suit ridley and linebacker samus
deer9650
Samus: "You ate my parents, and now you're taunting me with your Hugh Jass?!"
Ridley: "Dat's right! Your parents' lamentations have ADDED to my glutemus maximus!"
gin7792
I JUST CHOKED ON MY COFFEE thank you deer
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Ridley should have a big ass from all the junk food he eats
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God
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What was this plurk even originally about
snack5626
I look away for a second and this is what this plurk is about...
gin7792
futas and then I stumbled in here
gin7792
again, apologies
soba6202
Wanting Ridley to have a giant ass, tits wider than they are tall, and an enormous dick
gin7792
I feel like I've seen that art already but I can't be sure
parrot1020
Just shove all the kinks into this one murderous alien pterosaur.
soba6202
https://images.plurk.com/2jvyfeYGnHIrdOBlhpqkOp.png
soba6202
pictured: where this plurk has gone (affectionate)
gin7792
I love that comic
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Anyway I’m bi and trans and I like girldick in all forms. I shouldn’t be ashamed of that and I’m thankful for your all’s support
gin7792
handclasp of solidarity
gin7792
also you ever have that moment when you love writing/drawing a Specific Kink but it's one you would not be into irl but also you can't mention it because it comes across weird or triggering to people?
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Yes
parrot1020
Yeah.
gin7792
shakes head at wanting to write breeding but not wanting to make people uncomfortable
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But that’s also why they made content warnings I suppose
soba6202
also hi gin, on top of enjoying futa I also have a thing for somnophilia and breeding kink
gin7792
it's very true
parrot1020
I got that one too. I think my weirdest one might be nipplefucking though.
gin7792
soba my beloved handshaking
soba6202
one of which is incredibly gender-reductive and the other which is noncon/dubcon
soba6202
and it's like
gin7792
oh man nipplefucking can be great but nobody writes it
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God we’re all the same person aren’t we
parrot1020
It makes no goddamn sense and requires an obliteration of the laws of anatomy and yet.
prince4579
Another NB that enjoys futa, I don't really think it's a problem
soba6202
parrot, look at greek myths
gin7792
look i love writing cum inflation and cock bulges I can't talk shade
parrot1020
Also cervix penetration but by the standards of this plurk that's nothing.
gin7792
cervix penetration....yesssss
soba6202
athena jumped fully formed out of zeus's skull I think nobody in ancient greece would bat an eye if you said "NEPTUNE GOT MY TITTIES PREGGO"
parrot1020
You know what, fair.
gin7792
right! yes
parrot1020
Thanks greek gods. Thanks for being such unrepentant freaks.
troll6389
i tend to like things that are considered badwrong for more strict gender role reasons... fucking rip my dignity
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Nobody in Ancient Greece would be talking about Neptune at all
soba6202
--poseidon
soba6202
right
soba6202
I get them mixed up mb
parrot1020
Eh, everyone does that to poor Heracles all the time.
parrot1020
"And then Zeus's son Hercules-"
soba6202
thank you OP I keep forgetting that Romans were just like "we like your mythology we're just gonna sand the serial numbers off"
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Also I thought of SpongeBob King Neptune fucking someone’s tits and now I feel shame all over again
gin7792
I just ugly laughed so hard
soba6202
op

you want shame? i find pearl krabs attractive, there that's shame
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Wow
gin7792
I have regularly yelled about wanting to smooch monster characters
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Why is she a whale anyway? Like I get that’s the joke just
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Why
soba6202
in full honesty, knowing what I do of how Stephen Hillenburg was, probably because there was some obscure ass whale fact he wanted to sneak into her appearances
soba6202
man was deadass a Jotaro Kujo level ocean nerd
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Hopefully with less of a deadbeat dad
soba6202
but yeah my point, even if i mixed up rome and greece for a hot minute and took us to bikini bottom
soba6202
kink: it's been here the whole time
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This plurk sure went some places
troll6389
always has been 🔫👩‍🚀
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From futa to alien queen to Ridley to pearl krabs
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It’s like a day at Bakerstreet except we’re all actually replying to each other
gin7792
listen
soba6202
oh shit someone mentioned bakerstreet time to ghost op for three years and then leave a weird passive aggressive dm about never wanting to rp and--

wait no
gin7792
nooooooooooo lol
gin7792
anything but that! sobaaaaa
soba6202
(real talk: i think the tumblrsphere and dwrpsphere has hurt a lot of us regarding our views of kink and, like... human interaction)
gin7792
right?
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I think the tumblrsphere and wankgate specifically are to blame
cod4734
I do feel like as long as there's awareness that fantasy =/= reality and you're respectful towards real people, there really shouldn't be any shame in enjoying whatever kinks you want
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And the puritan movement sweeping through fandom
soba6202
ah yes, wankgate/rp_anons
troll6389
puritan fandom needs to fucking s t o p, yeah
gin7792
look sometimes you just want to write your character getting tied up (consentually) and been mercilessly bullied (consentually) and treated like someone's proverbial squeaktoy
cod4734
it's the same conversation people have about porn in general
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cod4734: you got the right idea of it
gin7792
cod spitting the facts
soba6202
and gin, sometimes you want that nonconsentually and literal squeak toy

chew on me, ridley
soba6202
(i mean wait)
gin7792
no no i get it
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So much of what I read in this area is impossible in real life ANYWAY
soba6202
THIS. THIS is why I completely am unashamed about being a furry. until the day that krystal starfox can walk up to me on the street and say hello, the very fact that my aesthetic tastes lean toward anthros mean that everything I want is fiction anyway
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You know I saw the argument that sex toys are problematic because inanimate objects can’t consent the other day?
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Like
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What???
gin7792
i just want the monster boy in one of my fandoms to do unspeakable things to my blorbo until they can't walk but where do I go for that
soba6202
I also saw the equally unironic argument that any and all fic is problematic because your OCs, as fictional characters, are capable of any consent
gin7792
wait that makes no sense what is the point of a sex toy otherwise
soba6202
incapable, rather
gin7792
the flying pirouettes of logic...
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Like. We are reaching the natural end point of fandom puritanical nonsense with this
gin7792
i have Concerns
troll6389
inanimate objects can't consent? WHAT.
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Imagine if they could though
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Sex Toy Story
cod4734
@ gin, I have seen someone make that argument about sex toys at least once, so...
soba6202
unfortunately we've been at the natural end point of Bad Broken Brain Logic for at least a decade now in non-fandom spheres and it keeps persisting because the highest level non-logical nonsense feat is "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
gin7792
i mean I have questions about this I know there's a group of people with attraction to literal inanimate objects or objects-as-people and I feel like they'd get cranky about this reasoning
soba6202
listen, dear anonplurk
soba6202
here is a very easy way to make consenting sex toys, hear me out
soba6202
portal panties
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I’m deleting this plurk
soba6202
aw i'm sorry
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(I’m not deleting this plurk)
soba6202
(it would have been funny if it happened at exactly 200 comments even if you did)
gin7792
okay wait though I feel like you're onto something I gotta take notes
gin7792
I know I've seen portal cockrings but portal panties???
gin7792
writes this down, writes this down
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Anyway you guys have given me confidence to write that gynomorph/futa universe multi fandom AU fic I’ve been considering after all so thank you all for giving me the courage
soba6202
same science but just with the whole, like, crotch area
soba6202
op: just promise me duke devlin won't assault any nonconsenting plants
parrot1020
Live your perverse, logic and anatomy destroying dreams, OP!
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Okay now I really AM deleting this plurk. Blame soba
gin7792
I feel slightly better about the ten chapter long a/b/o fic I'm writing
gin7792
nOooooooooooo
soba6202
orz
soba6202
I invoked the unholy runes i'm sorry everyone
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(I’m still kidding)
soba6202
(i know ♥)
gin7792
i had to do at least one dramatic "nooooooo" for emphasis
soba6202
(at the same point, "i'm deleting this" is the correct response to someone bringing up treegate in a shitpost)
gin7792
it's very valid
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gin7792: I really liked the random capitalized o it made me visualize your sorrow very well
gin7792
thank you I tried
shake7728
I didn't read all of this but, yeah
gin7792
now i want to write things. Son of a binch
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tell us more oh please do
gin7792
okay but i did mention I have a long fic I'm working on I'm just not sure if I should make it smutty
gin7792
like on the one hand it's going pretty okay without the smut but on the other...I really want to write it
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if it works for the story, I don't see why not going for it. But maybe do it as a side story in case people don't want to read a sex scene?
gin7792
I'm torn but I don't know who I can ask to beta it where they; 1. do not mind the weird kinks I'm sliding under the door, and 2. know the fandom
gin7792
yeah that's what I'm thinking
gin7792
all the Weird Smut shoved into a corner, all the normal(ish) bits in the main story
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what's the fandom and kink?
gin7792
oh man I'm about to blow my cover but I mentioned it's a/b/o but also it's for final fantasy 7
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ah
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I have no idea who you are I have lots of people on my timeline who like ff7
gin7792
nice, excellent
soba6202
gin, i love you, and i understand your fear and the unstated third point of "wow a lot of people into a/b/o in the ff7 fandom are really unhealthy about it"
gin7792
RIGHT I just
gin7792
me shoving all the weird bits out of the way and being like "everyone is holding hands and kissing because I say so (except the kids)"
crab3798
as someone who's also into futa i think the difference between futa and trans woman porn is that in the fictional world where futas exist, they don't have a transgender experience
crab3798
they are simply cis women who happen to have been born with a penis and everyone has acknowledged and treated them as women their whole lives
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I don’t know what to think about that rationalization
crab3798
it's a very granular differentiation but it's like... if you want porn about a trans woman you are looking for someone who has a specific kind of gender experience
snack5626
being into futa is... a challenge, since that rationalization makes sense but not even im sure where it stands in terms of rationalization
crab3798
and futas don't have the same kind of gender experience because their gender has not ever been in question
snack5626
maybe in the fictional futa world theres actually a better trans experience because there's less of a biological distinction between either gender?
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I like what snack said
crab3798
honestly yeah i vibe with that
snack5626
i come bearing good snacks
crab3798
i think it can have some wish-fulfillment elements to it for that reason as well
crab3798
in part you're fantasizing about a world where a girl with a penis could be considered cis
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