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meditations on magic in fantasy settings
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Specifically: divination
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Reading the future
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in most fantasy settings, reading the future is difficult and unreliable
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for obvious reasons
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It takes a lot of tension out of a story if the characters can just peek ahead
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and see how they beat the badguy
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So instead they have to forge ahead uncertainly even when all hope seems lost
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like heroes!
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No reading the last chapter to see how it ends
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So future sight is unreliable and difficult and generally a shitty option for any heroic mage to specialize in
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The more "heroic" branches of magic are more direct things
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things like shooting fireballs or healing
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Which is also much easier to work into a story because they're like specific abilities that effect the immediate world
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I'm wondering
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how would you write a story where reading the future is like the primary thing wizards do
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shooting lightning or making barriers are poorly understood and unreliable magics
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And I think the models you'd want to use for this would be either the Allomancers from Mistborn or the Jedi from Star Wars
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A mage is unstoppable not because he sets you on fire with his mind but because he always knows what you're about to do
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So the only counter is another mage
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As they try to outplan each other
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And find out which of them can plan more steps ahead
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in short term they're like cool warrior monks
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I feel like actually accurate divination must get like, exponentially more complicated the more variables are involved
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in long term they also play the role of generals and leaders
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"amount of time until the event" being included as a variable
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predicting the exact fate of a particular soldier in a massive clash of armies might be difficult, but predicting the outcome of the battle overall is probably a lot easier
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there's millions of variables, but a lot of them sort of cancel each other out or run together
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Anyway "Battle Prophet" would be a hella cool title
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And I'm putting this in my back pocket for like a support caster valor build
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Thinker powers in Worm tend toward that sort of thing too, especially the high-tier ones
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for some more examples to go with Atium-burning allomancers & the actually cool versions of Jedi
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Atium was something I had in mind, yeah
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I've thought about divination magics off and on but the best way I can explain this, and to be clear this is going to e a bad explanation
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but this coincides with my own thoughts
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which is that Divination gets extensively tricky and manipulative and vague the farther out you reach
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Trying to divine something about what will happen this time next year? Extensively hard and you get at best cryptic wording that could be literally anything
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Divine something that might happen in the next week? Fairly doable
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Not without failure, but
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which yeah dovetails nicely into the idea of Battle Prophet who can predict what's happening in advance and the only counter to them is another prophet
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oh i missed lyssie said basically the same thing
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dammit
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i do like how circle of magic does divination, which is essentially searching for the pressure points that cause a huge explosion of choices to occur
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so they can have forewarning about major events but they're still not sure how it will all turn out because of the aforementioned explosion of choices
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"I'm about to make a lot of stuff happen very quickly, brace yourself and be prepared to duck."
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that is a cool concept
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that's almost discworldian
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with the whole thing in Night Watch about how decisions matter but not all decisions matter
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You gotta find the important ones
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I feel like Steven Universe handled it pretty well with Garnet
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Where she sees all possible branching “streams” and which future paths are easier to flow into
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yea good example
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Her future sight is never wrong but free will means she can never be sure which stream we’ll all end up following