Ex-ocolonist
[disney] I didn't expect to see a critique of Wish that goes "I hate that disney isn't christian anymore" but here we are
Ex-ocolonist
thanks random tumblr tags
Maidstrong
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i feel like there are plenty of things to critique about wish that aren't that
fish deranged
huh
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squints.....
Phas|DippedOut
...has. Disney ever been especially Christian-specifically in terms of, like, morals or stories or whatever
Ex-ocolonist
just a whole, long unhinged rant about how Wish is bad because its message is that the wish is inside you, and your happiness is possible through you
Phas|DippedOut
like beyond the way basically any big thing in America needs to be "Christian"
Ex-ocolonist
instead of "believing in a higher power"
Phas|DippedOut
ah
Lord Nick
I think... the only "Christian" Disney movie is Hunchback.
Lord Nick
Unless we count Night On Bald Mountain
Ex-ocolonist
fish deranged
I mean i think Hunchback is arguably very not christian
fish deranged
in that the main antagonist being a religious zealot is not portrayed like... as a Good Thing
fish deranged
like yes okay god help the outcasts etc etc but it's not uncritically Christian which is what you know this person wants
Yon Fellow
It's anti-Frollo, not anti-Christian. It explicitly portrays his behavior as bad in the context of Christianity, including the church itself being what finally kills Frollo
Yon Fellow
:V
Ash!!1
that's just code for damn hate seeing another brown lead lol
fish deranged
Yeah I amend my statement, Hunchback has strong Christian themes but also goes 'hey maybe don't be a dick about this'
Ash!!1
wish is so bland and inoffensive but you know the racists and extremists gonna find the most wild things to hate it for
Lord Nick
Well. when I say Christian I mean from an ideal perspective not a dogmatic one. The implication is that Frollo is punished by God at the end.

It's the closest I could think of anyway.
Ash!!1
oh wow i actually read the tumblr post. that is more unhinged than even i thoughta lkdfjadkf
Phas|DippedOut
well clearly that's claiming God's authority to say who is or isn't a true believer which is ow my brain
Ash!!1
like look to each their own if you wanna see religion in those movies good for you but those are Wild takes
Phas|DippedOut
Also not gonna actually engage that post by any means, but-
/flips through some notes
"AKSHULLY, where previous Disney films were promoting pagan beliefs in witchcraft and fairies, Wish promotes relying on the gifts God gave us all as His Children to" I can't go farther than that, the point is you can make any movie mean anything if you want
Ex-ocolonist
it's so wild??
Ex-ocolonist
like buddy you are digging for clues in a empty field here
Lord Nick
I always just figured it wasn't an accident that Frollo's last swords are about God smiting the wicked and plunging them into a fiery pit right before his ass gets smote and tossed into a fiery pit.
Lord Nick
words*
Lord Nick
But anyway yeah. Bonkers review
Ex-ocolonist
apparently (this is secondhand) disney wanted as little anti-christian material in hunchback as possible, given they didn't want to anger a whole audience and all that
Ex-ocolonist
hence why frollo is a "judge" instead of a priest, while still obviously being real priestly
Ex-ocolonist
not that it helps, given. I'm sure the animators responded with "pffffffff okay"
Lord Nick
Yeah, I was raised Catholic although I don't consider myself one anymore. I always thought of Frollo as a twisted and distorted version of what it should be.
Lightning Bolt
Yeah I can't really remember any Disney films specifically about "believing in a higher power"
Lightning Bolt
closest i guess is the fairy godmother in cinderella???
fish deranged
imean her name is fairy GODmother
fish deranged
checkmate, atheists
fish deranged
(i am joking)
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maybe the Blue Fairy in Pinocchio?
Lightning Bolt
you could probably also interpret Gepetto as a metaphor for God
Lightning Bolt
(half-joking)
Ex-ocolonist
I'm sure if they could they'd wrap pinocchio up in some negative way
Ex-ocolonist
considering that movie isn't about trusting a higher power either and instead about choosing to be a good person out of your own free will
DSTXC
Nah, if they enjoyed Pinocchio they'd figure out a way to make it fit their worldview. Pretty sure they just didn't like Wish and decided that makes it Evil
Ash!!1
i'm especially annoyed at their take on tiana lol
Ash!!1
her thing was accepting others and what she needed not actually believing in wishes and stuff
Ash!!1
Still had to use her savings to buy said restaurant (+ gator extortion)
Ash!!1
she has a pretty trophy husband girl still has to work
Phas|DippedOut
they specifically mentioned Pinocchio as an example of Trusting In A Higher Power and Being Worthy By Choosing Good
Ex-ocolonist
tiana doesn't need a wish!! She needs people who got her back!!
Ex-ocolonist
just.... you're seeing it in this way and that's fine because it's your prerogative
Ex-ocolonist
but it's just not that deep
Odd-Eyes
huh, thats definitely... a criticism
Lightning Bolt
Christian meta can be the most unhinged shit
DSTXC
their pinned post leads off with "Stories should not be PRIMARILY created to entertain" so
Ex-ocolonist
:/
BRUNO PLS
oh, for fucks sake
BRUNO PLS
way to miss the whole point of storytelling
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