Quinn Angstrom
[youtube holes] let's talk about Duchamp's The Fountain
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https://images.plurk.com/7JxgYLkHjq3lXAuaddWrvl.png this highly divisive art piece is a mass market urinal, rotated 90 degrees and signed
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nothing else was done
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and it's an ingenious, necessary seminal work of art
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my biggest proof for this is the mere fact that people are still discussing it 106 years later
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but let's talk about what Fountain is saying
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to put it in the context of a literal meta-conversation;
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Fountain: I am a work of art.
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Viewer: You aren't art. You're a urinal on its side.
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Fountain: Why isn't that art?
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Viewer: Because art is transformative. You haven't been transformed.
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Fountain: I was rotated and signed. Isn't that a transformation?
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Viewer: No, it's not enough. That's too minor to count.
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Fountain: Where's the cutoff, then? How much do you need to transform something before it's art?
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Fountain: Painters paint with brushes and on canvases that were made by others, using paint that they didn't mix. Are paintings therefore illegitimate?
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Viewer: There has to be a line, because otherwise, anything anyone does would be art.
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Fountain: Isn't it?
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the terrible secret in the heart of the urinal is that everything everyone has ever created is art
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art can't be contained
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it can't be defined
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and it can't be gatekept
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and that's a huge message for one rotated toilet
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this is what I mean when I say that gender presentation is art
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it's made of external concepts but it's something you made
Flash Bastard
Duchamp was also in the Dada movement, and Dadaism is 'because Fuck You, that's why.'
birthday snake
Quinn Angstrom : have you seen David Cronenberg's quote on his view of trans people
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basically "I don't fully understand but I understand that these are people putting their all into what's basically an art, and I respect that"
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makes sense
A Grinning DM
It’s worth noting that some art historians contest whether DuChamp actually created the fountain or just accepted credit for it when the real artist wouldn’t
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But the message, either way, is important, and when I learned about it in art school it transformed the way I look at all art
A Grinning DM
So I’d argue it’s more transformative than most other pieces of art I have encountered
A Grinning DM
But you may wish to refer to it as Freytag-Loringhoven / DuChamp’s The Fountain , though that is admittedly unwieldy
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noted
birthday snake
this piece of art also works as a handy dandy fascist detector
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just show it to someone and see if they get irrationally angry
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fascists are TERRIFIED of modern art
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I know and it's beautfiul
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*beautiful
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they also get irrationally afraid and angry about splatter paintings
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which on top of being art I actually do think look nice
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and that one exhibit that's a banana taped to a wall
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"you can't just call everything art"
bitch, what's the guy who makes my sandwich at a subway called
thetaClysm
i can and i will
birthday snake
"art should be nice to look at"
yeah if the place you're putting it is your grandma's living room, sure
The Zemblanity!
I saw it in the Pompidou Centre as part of an exhibit in... May 2004, I think? that changed the way I think about art exhibits permanently (in a good way)
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it was that, The Treachery of Images (or a copy or print thereof), and... a red snow shovel suspended by a wire from the ceiling?
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and the way the PROGRESSION of them was lined up was such a one-two-three punch about "what is art?" that I've never forgotten it, & also, the staging of an exhibit is itself art
A Grinning DM
The two art pieces that most shook my early understanding of art were The Fountain and The Treachery of Images
EsperBot
I don't find intra-artist debates about the nature of art very interesting so pieces like the fountain don't hold my interest
EsperBot
but fascists fucking hate it so there must necessarily be something of value to it
Wild Child
I remember reading a martin gardner article about various kinds of art in this vein
Wild Child
like one that was just several bricks arranged into a cube
Wild Child
And then once when the artist was going to display it at another museum and didn't make it in time the museum directors assembled their own brick cube and he got mad and called it inauthentic
Wild Child
I remember seeing one of his works that was made of a bunch of metal panels assembled on the floor
Wild Child
i actually stepped on it by accident
skerple
I remember a tumblr post about someone who decided to have a bit of a laugh at an art museum by putting a pair of glasses down on the floor as if they were an exhibit
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and the guests duly treated the glasses as if they were an exhibit
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and the post was like "congratulations, you did art"
skerple
sigh, of course I can't find the post now that I look for it but here's A post Teen Leaves Pair Of Glasses On Gallery Floor; Everyo...
skerple
it was intended as a prank and a joke at the expense of modern art. but the joke's on them because literally what is that if not art
RobotApocalypse
any creation that is made with the intent of inspiring feeling in someone else is art by default, that's my stance
RobotApocalypse
if you sign a urinal and stick it in a gallery because you want to make people think about the nature of art, that's art
A Grinning DM
There is art in everything, even if the intent wasn’t there
RobotApocalypse
yeah, other stuff can be art, but if it's made with intent then there's no debate imo
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